[vpFREE] Re: How long before the Palms FPDW disappear?

 

About those canceled interviews.

Bob nixed the cocktail waitress interview. Bob nixed the Singer interview (even if I did it on my own time and only posted it on my web-site). When I say "Bob nixed them" I mean he voiced concerns and opinions that I either did not completely disagree with, or that I did not feel strongly enough about to fight him on.

I may have disagreed, but not ENOUGH to jeopardize my friendship with Bob. I like the guy.

Even though the original idea to do a radio show was mine, and I asked him if he would like to co-host it with me, I have never thought of it as "my show". Bob was instrumental in getting our sponsorships and I simply wouldn't want to dismiss his opinion in favor of mine, when he has been the driving force behind the financial success of the show.

If I have an idea, I pitch it to him. If I then fail to convince him of my point of view, I concede the point and I give him the final word.

He has about 10 times the public experience that I do (most of my career was spent hiding in the shadows), it doesn't make sense to me not to listen to someone that should, in theory, know more on the subject than I do.

I believe the Casino-ology interview is up coming.

~FK

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote: Frank-I have to commend you and "Bob" for those M progressives. They are a great asset to the VP community. I hope they last forever. If Palms and other nice payback FPDW plays go away I am going to take a week to learn some of those otherwise horrific games and you will have the "pleasure" of seeing my fat ass at M! PS-What happened to the interviews with Singer and the guy who wrote that Casino-ology book? Hope they don't go the way of the long promised cocktail waitress interview. LOL.

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[vpFREE] Re: M Progressives in Seven Magazine

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Sai Sai" <gofastnismo@...> wrote:
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> Has anyone read this article by Anthony Curtis? He calls the machines "FranknBobs."
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I had not seen that. Thank you for posting this.

Here is a link online I found.

http://weeklyseven.com/latest/2011/06/23/getting-progressive

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[vpFREE] M Progressives in Seven Magazine

 

Has anyone read this article by Anthony Curtis? He calls the machines "FranknBobs."

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[vpFREE] Re: How long before the Palms FPDW disappear?

 

Frank-I have to commend you and "Bob" for those M progressives. They are a great asset to the VP community. I hope they last forever. If Palms and other nice payback FPDW plays go away I am going to take a week to learn some of those otherwise horrific games and you will have the "pleasure" of seeing my fat ass at M!
PS-What happened to the interviews with Singer and the guy who wrote that Casino-ology book? Hope they don't go the way of the long promised cocktail waitress interview. LOL.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:
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> I think one could make a very strong argument that the new M progressive's average return is far higher than that of the Palms Deuce.
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> Naturally people play VP for more than raw edge and take into consideration things like bankroll requirement and game variance.
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> If we do go off of pure average edge, I believe the M might win.
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> And keep in mind, M was put in as a direct request of vpFREE posters. Kinda cool I think.
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> I'll can see what I can do to preserve the Palms Deuce for all of you. Hay it worked last time.
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> ~FK
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> P.S. I'm assuming that you would all like me to help preserve the Deuce progressive???
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@> wrote:
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> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@> wrote:
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> > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pumsparky" <dianalnagy@> wrote:
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> > > > New owners, FPDW machines gone. A handful of FPDW will not effect their publicity, the kids that go there do not even play video poker. As for Frank asking the question, Maloof can say anything, it is the majority owners will make that decision.
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> > > Maybe someone else will "adopt" the bank of progressive deuces if the Palms changes. I know Fiesta Rancho used to be a hang out for those players a few years ago. That was a good bank of them if I recall, I often wondered why the casino kept them. I'm not sure what the meter was on them but I seem to recall they frequently reached in the $1200s, even $1300. That's pretty good for a 25-cent FPDW progressive!
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> > > I dunno, you just have to change with the times, I guess. We all knew it wasn't going to last forever. FPDW for a percent EV at quarters is hardly something to write home about. There are much better plays for quarters around town.
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> > No there are aren't. Not if by "plays" you mean a game that runs 24/7.
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[vpFREE] Re: How long before the Palms FPDW disappear?

 

True that it is generous but $5 or $10 of freeplay is a joke. Basically they are giving the players McDonalds money so they can eat and play at the same time except during red carpet events. Maybe they figure that player will drag in the occasional family player that plays slots.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@...> wrote:
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Sai Sai" <gofastnismo@> wrote:
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> Im assuming that you dont get many of perks if you stick to that bank. Maybe I'm wrong, but do people that play this bank get the same mailers and goodies that others get?
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> I'm sure they do not. However, I'm pretty sure they still get $5 or $10 X4 per month, or at least I know some people who got that fairly recently. And honestly, that is pretty nice of the Palms to do that. Talk about a player-friendly place! Giving any benefits to people who only play that particular bank is very generous, in my opinion.
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[vpFREE] Re: Good Palms Offer for freeplay

 

There's a hidden room at the back of the Playboy Club that caters to mail order brides. When Frank said playmate he meant mailmate. Just kidding Frank....

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "lfcmja@..." <lfcmja@...> wrote:
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, James Thompson <jamesgthompson@> wrote:
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> > My mom's neighbor just came back from China with a bride.
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> And this was a Palms Free play offer ?
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> LF
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[vpFREE] Re: Good Palms Offer for freeplay

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, James Thompson <jamesgthompson@...> wrote:
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> My mom's neighbor just came back from China with a bride.

And this was a Palms Free play offer ?

LF

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[vpFREE] Re: How long before the Palms FPDW disappear?

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Sai Sai" <gofastnismo@...> wrote:
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Im assuming that you dont get many of perks if you stick to that bank. Maybe I'm wrong, but do people that play this bank get the same mailers and goodies that others get?
>

I'm sure they do not. However, I'm pretty sure they still get $5 or $10 X4 per month, or at least I know some people who got that fairly recently. And honestly, that is pretty nice of the Palms to do that. Talk about a player-friendly place! Giving any benefits to people who only play that particular bank is very generous, in my opinion.

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[vpFREE] Re: How long before the Palms FPDW disappear?

 

Bob is right there have been and there probably will continue to be really good plays around town. First of all Palms is not the only place with full pay deuces, granted the progressive is nice but it doesn't get all that high. I dont play deuces at the palms but Im assuming that you dont get many of perks if you stick to that bank. Maybe I'm wrong, but do people that play this bank get the same mailers and goodies that others get?

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@...> wrote:
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@> wrote:
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> > No there are aren't.
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> Au Cointreau, monsieur. Yes, there be.
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> Grinding out the progressive FPDW at the Palms for quarters is really limiting oneself.
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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Update On Casino Monte Lago

 

 Those that don't understand history are bound to repeat the same mistakes.
It doesn't seem as though the history here is that long ago.

--- On Sat, 6/25/11, Sai Sai <gofastnismo@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sai Sai <gofastnismo@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Update On Casino Monte Lago
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, June 25, 2011, 11:11 AM

 

Sell itself? Is the guy joking? All that place is an over glorified slot parlor like Dotty's. Anyone seen the sign they have near Fiesta on the way down mead? It reminds me of a Cannery advertisement, they need to do some original marketing. The old Lago had character and ambiance. I walk in this casino and I feel like its lit up with a spotlight. Its a chore to get a drink unless you're at the bar and the game selection is mediocre. I dont need full pay deuces(in fact I cant stand deuces) but it would be nice to have some decent bonus poker or JOB(8/5 9/6.) Im a DB guy but its nice to just kill time and play a less volatile game. Ive been there a few times and have never seen a smiling face on a player or employee. I dont think Ill be going back. To many other better options like Singer stated.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rob.singer1111" <rob.singer1111@...> wrote:

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> I stopped by the place Monday around 11am for the first time since the Grand Re-Opening festivities - where the machines were locked down until after I left. I didn't expect to see many people inside, and there were even less.

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> My wife doesn't play any games but we both signed up for slot cards because they give you a bottle of wine for joining. Then if you play to 500 points you get a whole $10 in free-play. So I did that on both cards and ended up $40 on the plus side overall. Not a big deal but I wanted to show her what a nice place this was, which was the real purpose for going.

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> There's now some 5-level 25c/50c/$1/$2/$5 games with 7/5BP & 8/5SDBP among other games on them, but those are the only ones I'll play. I asked a suit how they expected to get a good local crowd in this time around when there's nothing special about the paytables, and which is an absolute must to get people to drive out that far just to play vp when there's so many other options as good as or better than what they have there. The answer? "We have a good product that'll sell itself". I told him I liked the place, I'd be back to play, but I want to get in as many trips as possible because I don't see this "product" lasting 6 months without something very special taking place. When asked what that might be, I said to sprinkle some 25c FPDW machines around, put 9/7TDB in, get some fast-moving progressives going, have gas card giveaways because it fits the drive most people would have to get there & back, and start advertising multiple point days because the
slot club isn't that bad. He took note and we departed.

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[vpFREE] Re: How long before the Palms FPDW disappear?

 

I think one could make a very strong argument that the new M progressive's average return is far higher than that of the Palms Deuce.

Naturally people play VP for more than raw edge and take into consideration things like bankroll requirement and game variance.

If we do go off of pure average edge, I believe the M might win.

And keep in mind, M was put in as a direct request of vpFREE posters. Kinda cool I think.

I'll can see what I can do to preserve the Palms Deuce for all of you. Hay it worked last time.

~FK

P.S. I'm assuming that you would all like me to help preserve the Deuce progressive???

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:
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>
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@> wrote:
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> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pumsparky" <dianalnagy@> wrote:
> > >
> > > New owners, FPDW machines gone. A handful of FPDW will not effect their publicity, the kids that go there do not even play video poker. As for Frank asking the question, Maloof can say anything, it is the majority owners will make that decision.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Maybe someone else will "adopt" the bank of progressive deuces if the Palms changes. I know Fiesta Rancho used to be a hang out for those players a few years ago. That was a good bank of them if I recall, I often wondered why the casino kept them. I'm not sure what the meter was on them but I seem to recall they frequently reached in the $1200s, even $1300. That's pretty good for a 25-cent FPDW progressive!
> >
> > I dunno, you just have to change with the times, I guess. We all knew it wasn't going to last forever. FPDW for a percent EV at quarters is hardly something to write home about. There are much better plays for quarters around town.
> >
> No there are aren't. Not if by "plays" you mean a game that runs 24/7.
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[vpFREE] Re: How long before the Palms FPDW disappear?

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:
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> No there are aren't.

Au Cointreau, monsieur. Yes, there be.

Grinding out the progressive FPDW at the Palms for quarters is really limiting oneself.

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[vpFREE] Re: How long before the Palms FPDW disappear?

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@...> wrote:
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pumsparky" <dianalnagy@> wrote:
> >
> > New owners, FPDW machines gone. A handful of FPDW will not effect their publicity, the kids that go there do not even play video poker. As for Frank asking the question, Maloof can say anything, it is the majority owners will make that decision.
> >
> >
>
>
> Maybe someone else will "adopt" the bank of progressive deuces if the Palms changes. I know Fiesta Rancho used to be a hang out for those players a few years ago. That was a good bank of them if I recall, I often wondered why the casino kept them. I'm not sure what the meter was on them but I seem to recall they frequently reached in the $1200s, even $1300. That's pretty good for a 25-cent FPDW progressive!
>
> I dunno, you just have to change with the times, I guess. We all knew it wasn't going to last forever. FPDW for a percent EV at quarters is hardly something to write home about. There are much better plays for quarters around town.
>
No there are aren't. Not if by "plays" you mean a game that runs 24/7.

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[vpFREE] Re: Good Palms Offer for freeplay

 

Buying a Casino is not a bad idea! I could imagine a good group from vpFREE could be formed that offers what people want and makes money. Putting up some capital and pitching it to some investor groups would be fairly easy.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@...> wrote:
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Sai Sai" <gofastnismo@> wrote:
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> > See Frank, its good to talk about something other than poker sometimes.
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> Now Frank is getting silly. Leaving Las Vegas? He really MUST be crazy! Here's my advice for Frank, here's what he needs to do. Frank, BUY A CASINO! If anyone would know how to run a good casino, that would be YOU!
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> Frank, someday I want to turn on my television and see a commercial where YOU are sitting on top of your casino and welcoming everyone to the grand opening.
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