RE: [vpFREE] Re: Changing Machines

 


I hit a royal a week ago. After getting a hand pay, doing the paperwork and
congratulating myself on the masterful solitary high card hold I went back
to play the same machine. Wife: "You are going to play the same machine?"
Me: "Why not?" It never occurred to me to change machines.

----So, just out of curiosity, what happened when you went back and played
it then? :)

Scot

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[vpFREE] Royals on same machine

 



A number of years ago I got 3 royals on same machine at the Palms, single line, over a period of about 8 hrs of play.

I'm still waiting for a royal on a redraw or back to back royals.

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[vpFREE] LVRJ: Jackson-themed Cirque show coming to LV in 2013

 

LVRJ: Jackson-themed Cirque show coming to LV in 2013

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Changing Machines

 

I guess it really boils down to WHY are you changing machines. In my local
casino, I have about a half dozen "favorite" machines. In area 1, if I'm not
doing well on machine 1, I'll move to machine 2. Why, you might say. Well,
because I was playing DDB on one and am now going to play P'em on the other. Why
sit there and watch nothing hitting on DDB, when you can change the game and
maybe, therefore, your results.

In another area, I'll switch from DDB to DDStud. Its not a question of changing
because the randomnicity (is that a new word I just invented?) is changed by the
physical act of moving. Just the game I'll be playing.

BTW, my "favorites" are machines that are located in places I find conducive to
comfort and good concentration skills: generally in quieter areas, located
behind a pillar to prevent bumping, good air circulation, etc. They do have good
pay tables, but so do many other machines. I just prefer these certain few.

If I am on a favorite, and its paying like an ATM, I'll sit there forever.

Thank you for your praise on our discussion, it's fun for me as well. I don't
get out much.

You hit on most of the key points of streaks when you said, "not anything that
you could count on at all, or predict, or make happen."

You missed one: or prove that they exist.

To say for sure that changing machines influenced your results, one would need
to be able to go back in time, not change machines and see if anything altered.
And if this was possible, we'd find out that in some cases changing machines did
improve results, and in other trials staying put would actually have been
better. It's the nature of randomness.

Try this experiment, every half-hour stand up and loudly say, "I'm changing
machines" (just stay where you are, no need to exert yourself). Then keep mental
records as though you really did change machines. You'll find that the
vocalization and creation of a imaginary line of demarcation in your mind, has
the exact same effect as getting up and really moving.

Sometimes your "new machine" will be a lot better than your "old machine". Other
times it will be just as bad or worse. Almost as though it was "random".

"We fool ourselves so much we could do it for a living."
— Stephen King

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Valerie Pollard" <vpollard@...> wrote: Frank,
But I'm curious as to your response regarding "streaks" that appear due to
randomness....and the fact that you *could* happenstance upon a happier streak
on another machine, possibly. This is something I see as a factual possibility
- though only that and as I said before, not anything that you could count on at
all, or predict, or make happen.

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[vpFREE] Crystal Palace in Nassau

 

Would appreciate any input about this casino, or the Wyndham resort. The last posts I could locate here were 4 years old, and the web site indicates that the rooms have been recently renovated.

Anyone been recently? We're taking a comped trip (charter flight) over Memorial Day weekend, so I'm interested in any VP info, and my non-gambling better half is seeking any excursion info that is interesting without being too physically strenuous. Would appreciate any feedback about the place in general. Private responses are fine. TIA

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Changing Machines

 

Sometimes you come upon a "machine on drugs" as Jean Scott refers to
them. ;-)

We had one at the Reserve (how is that for dating our experience?).
Didn't get any large payoffs just a lot of frequent little ones. It
started dropping coins above the 1000 coin limit. The wife and I
alternated playing it. It was fun! I was surprised how long the streak
lasted. Just have to be at the right machine at the right time and on
the right side of the RNG.

Dennis
vp-connoisseur

Frank wrote:

>Thank you for your praise on our discussion, it's fun for me as well. I don't get out much.
>
>You hit on most of the key points of streaks when you said, "not anything that you could count on at all, or predict, or make happen."
>
>You missed one: or prove that they exist.
>
>To say for sure that changing machines influenced your results, one would need to be able to go back in time, not change machines and see if anything altered. And if this was possible, we'd find out that in some cases changing machines did improve results, and in other trials staying put would actually have been better. It's the nature of randomness.
>
>Try this experiment, every half-hour stand up and loudly say, "I'm changing machines" (just stay where you are, no need to exert yourself). Then keep mental records as though you really did change machines. You'll find that the vocalization and creation of a imaginary line of demarcation in your mind, has the exact same effect as getting up and really moving.
>
>Sometimes your "new machine" will be a lot better than your "old machine". Other times it will be just as bad or worse. Almost as though it was "random".
>
>"We fool ourselves so much we could do it for a living."
>-- Stephen King
>
>
>--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Valerie Pollard" <vpollard@...> wrote: Frank, But I'm curious as to your response regarding "streaks" that appear due to randomness....and the fact that you *could* happenstance upon a happier streak on another machine, possibly. This is something I see as a factual possibility - though only that and as I said before, not anything that you could count on at all, or predict, or make happen.
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[vpFREE] Re: Changing Machines

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Valerie Pollard" <vpollard@...> wrote:

> In regard as to whether streaks exist - as the below quote states: Chance is lumpy....
>
>
> 1
>
> Judgment of randomness
>
> Overview
>
> ? Which of the strings THTHTTHHTH, and HTTTTHHTHH looks
>
> more like it happened due to chance?
>
> - People tend to think that random strings of events must be
>
> 'locally' random

I hit a royal a week ago. After getting a hand pay, doing the paperwork and congratulating myself on the masterful solitary high card hold I went back to play the same machine. Wife: "You are going to play the same machine?" Me: "Why not?" It never occurred to me to change machines. Stochasticity... Radiolabs piece on randomness is an amusing listen.
http://www.radiolab.org/2009/jun/15/

Chandler

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[vpFREE] Re: Dream Card Poker in Vegas

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Greg" <schmidtenor@...> wrote:

> I searched the forum, but didn't find any recent
> posts regarding Dream Card Poker. My wife and I
> will be in Las Vegas in May and would like to find
> the game in a decent paytable. Any suggestions?

Suncoast has Dream Card with 9/7 Double Bonus. They have 25c/50c 3/5/10 play and $1 3/5 play on three uprights two rows in front of the slot club.

Orleans has Dream Card SpinPoker with 25c 8/5 Bonus Poker and 9/7 DB on two uprights by the Alligator Bar.

Red Rock used to have Dream Card in both SpinPoker and 3/5/10 play with 8/5 BP. Some near bingo and some near the cashier. Don't know if they are still there.

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[vpFREE] Re: Changing Machines

 

Correction: the tribe that worships the Siafu is called the Mofu-Wazan and lives in Cameroon, near the border with Nigeria.

The people of Nigeria sometimes call them the Siafu People, but that's not what they call themselves.

If you wish more info watch, "NOVA-The Masters of the Killer Ants".

Here's a clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29kErsFdC5w

~FK

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Re: [vpFREE] Dream Card Poker in Vegas

 

a slot tech was working on the machine and he told me it played like a
50cent machine.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Pawloski" <jpawloski@gmail.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Dream Card Poker in Vegas

> All Dream Card games are 10 credits to play with the feature. I'm not sure
> what you mean by "so it really is a fifty cent machine?" If you get a
> royal,
> you get 4000 quarters, not 4000 half dollars.
>
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Deb <dlf89@prodigy.net> wrote:
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>> Harrahs has 1 machine that is a quarter machine but it has been changed
>> to
>> 10 coins minimum. So it really is a fifty cent machine. The ones at
>> Flamingo are over by the poker room. They are in machines that include
>> dreamcard, double pay, quick quads, and a few other gimick games. They
>> are
>> all single line. 2 slant tops by the poker room and 1 stand alone a few
>> feet
>> away. I believe the signage on the game says 5 star. Very fun to play.
>> Would suggest these instead of the one at Harrahs. Also Orleans has a
>> couple that are 5cent, 10cent and quarter.
>>
>> Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Dream Card Poker in Vegas
>>
>>
>> > Flamingo has single line Dream Card when I was there a couple of months
>> > ago.
>> >
>> > Try videopoker.com for placements.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Greg <schmidtenor@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >> I searched the forum, but didn't find any recent posts regarding Dream
>> >> Card
>> >> Poker. My wife and I will be in Las Vegas in May and would like to
>> >> find
>> >> the
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RE: [vpFREE] Re: Hard Rock Las Vegas, the disappearing machines

My mailer has got progressively worse in the last 12 months. However my play is probably a fraction of a big-time local. I average 10k per trip. I used to get Santana tix, free food and free play. The new mailer I just got was only a card and not a elaborate folded printout.

To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: gofastnismo@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 23:19:51 +0000
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Hard Rock Las Vegas, the disappearing machines






Just received my mailer and it hasn't changed from the beginning of the year.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, James Thompson <jamesgthompson@...> wrote:

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> I had a gut feeling Warner would take out all the 99% or higher games. In Vegas change is bad. Just a gut feeling they are going to move toward a slot parlor. I was there last weekend and Mr. Lucky's prices were raised 25% or more. My recent mailer had no free play or free food offerings. They also haven't had a slot tourney in years.

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Changing Machines

 

Frank wrote,
"Try this experiment, every half-hour stand up and loudly say, "I'm changing machines" (just stay where you are, no need to exert yourself). Then keep mental records as though you really did change machines. You'll find that the vocalization and creation of a imaginary line of demarcation in your mind, has the exact same effect as getting up and really moving.
Sometimes your "new machine" will be a lot better than your "old machine". Other times it will be just as bad or worse. Almost as though it was "random"."

I forgot to comment on how much I liked this, so funny.....I think I'm going to do it, just for the fun of it.
We'll see just how random it really is! (Only kidding)

Valerie

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Changing Machines

 

Frank wrote,
"To say for sure that changing machines influenced your results, one would need to be able to go back in time, not change machines and see if anything altered. And if this was possible, we'd find out that in some cases changing machines did improve results, and in other trials staying put would actually have been better. It's the nature of randomness."

I've done that, and it is interesting to see the results.
Ha! But I have thought about that and that's the whole thing: we never can know what the other road would bring if we had chosen it. You are completely right. And since it really is random I grant that basically and realistically you are also right. There's no guarantee and mechanically the machines are identical.

In regard as to whether streaks exist - as the below quote states: Chance is lumpy....

1

Judgment of randomness

Overview

? Which of the strings THTHTTHHTH, and HTTTTHHTHH looks

more like it happened due to chance?

- People tend to think that random strings of events must be

'locally' random

. - Evidence: The presence of streaks alters judgments of

randomness (Olivola & Oppenheimer, 2008)

. When judging randomness of remembered string, when

streak was near beginning or end it was judged less

random than if streak was in middle.

Examples of the streakiness of chance

? Streaks of wins playing card games, gambling, answer "b" on

an exam, coincidental meetings of someone (fate?), others?

? Must recognize that..

- Chance is lumpy

Valerie

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[vpFREE] Re: ?

 

No, I don't think I'm schizophrenic...and neither do I.

You are quite are quite correct that these statements taken out of context are diametrically opposed. They were both appeals to different people. One was being too silly. The other was on the way to turning the thread dark and depressing.

My original idea for the thread was somewhere in-between these two extremes...and at the time they were made, they were appeals for balance.

Good catch BTW.

~FK

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Rick E. Percy" <ricke.percy@...> wrote:
FK wrote: BOTH
1. A question like this is obviously a great opportunity for humor, but this was actually one of those rare times I was being serious.

AND
2. That is all, Tropical Island--hypothetical situation--no realty required. Don't go all serious on me.

I presume there is another interpretation here that is not schizophrenic?  No humor but no seriousness either?

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