[vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 12 FEB 2013

 

There's a whole bunch of stuff you have to induce about drawings, like: are you on the excluded list?, will they only call a name once and then exclude any additional draws of the same name, will they only call those who have some play today, will they only call those who have a card in a machine, will they only call those who haven't played yet today, will they only call those who have lost a lot today, will they only call those who tip, is the drawing completely fixed, have people been duplicating or making their own tickets, are there other secret ways to get tickets, if you tip big at a table game will they give you a bunch of tickets, will they only pull folded tickets or non-folded tickets, is the drum stuffed so much that the tickets aren't getting shuffled, did they dump out any tickets that got put in early and what is the definition of "early", did they do some "culling" of the drum before the drawing, and so on. Good luck with that one. A rough rule of thumb: as the value of the prize increases, the chances of a completely random drawing decrease. A big prize represents a huge incentive to cheat. Google "Venetian rigged drawing" for some interesting stories about drawings.

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> I think there are plenty of examples of inductive logic being very useful for gambling. There are many things you can't know a priori. For example, the number of entries in a drawing is very important for estimating your equity. There is no way to do this except with inductive logic. Another example is estimating your edge in tournaments of skill like poker, blackjack or craps. You can't estimate these without inductive logic because the true strategies of your opponents are unknown given that you only observe a small subset of their potential actions.
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> Anyway, the point is that you should understand which kind of logic is appropriate for each situation. Video poker is a full information game so you should use deductive logic if you played perfectly, but you need to use inductive logic to estimate your error frequency and adjust your ev accordingly.
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> If you play must hit by slots, the true return is not known and play data is relevant for figuring out the quality of a play. The key here is understanding something about how much events should move your prior about machine returns.
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, vpFREE Administrator wrote:
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> > Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 12 FEB 2013
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> > "Induction versus Deduction"
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Re: [vpFREE] Las Vegas club

 

do they still have the 100%+ double deuces there?
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vp-connoisseur cacti-az@cox.net> wrote:

>Late last year only the main casino was open. The rear section was
>closed off.
>The 100.65% JW in 25c slants were near the west side and center of the
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>Dennis
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>Vegas wrote:
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>>I see from the vp free site that the Las Vegas club has kings or better joker poker. Does anyone know if this is up to date and accurate?
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RE: [vpFREE] Las Vegas club

They have two machine and I played them two weeks ago.
One of them is really old but very fun.

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From: cacti-az@cox.net
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Late last year only the main casino was open. The rear section was

closed off.

The 100.65% JW in 25c slants were near the west side and center of the

casino.



Dennis

vp-connoisseur



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>I see from the vp free site that the Las Vegas club has kings or better joker poker. Does anyone know if this is up to date and accurate?

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[vpFREE] Re: Atlantis in Reno

 

I understand now about the points.
My wife loves SDB and refers to Tom Ski's VPSM card as needed.
As far as multi-strike is concerned; my arms are starting to itch.

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> I'm just glad my name isn't Edward Perez. His name was called as the $2,000 cash drawing winner Sunday and he wasn't present. I won't be present next Sunday, hope no one tells me my name was called. I don't want to know. ;)
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" wrote:
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> > Were you playing on a VP multiplier day?
> > NSUD with 1 point for $5 action would infer double points day and you got 4600 points so u gave them $23K. We do twice that/day and were lucky at the joint last year.
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> > Keeping our fingers crossed they won't shut us off. Going to hit the slot machines hopefully for a little insurance :-)
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> > We like the Atlantis a lot and gamble mostly at the FPSDB $1 triple line. Will also venture into super times pay and multi-strike (the crack cocaine of video poker).
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> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "clementiyn" wrote:.
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> > > Comp points accrue at 1 per $10 coin-in on NSUD, 1 per $5 on 8/5 BP. I suspect other games follow a similar breakdown. The comp rate seems independent of progressives. I was playing nickel ugly ducks with a meter that pushed the game above 100% and was still getting 1 per $5 coin in.
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[vpFREE] Re: LVH Downgrades

 

We were shut off at the LVH a few months ago as 2011 was a good year.
But was wondering if the joker poker was downgraded as well. If not, that's still a fair bet and the theo was 3%.

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[vpFREE] Fremont Street Experience Coupons

 

Not too long ago the Fremont Street Experience website offered coupons that were 2-for-1 for the buffets at the Fremont and Main Street Station. The coupons were free but there were some minor restrictions. They have completely disappeared. Anyone know of other freebie discount coupons good at the Fremont or Main Sttreet Station buffets?

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[vpFREE] Re: Squidward's CES 2013 Trip Report

 



ROFLMFAO at this entire series! :)

Harold

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[vpFREE] LVH Downgrades

 

The LVH downgraded the $1 VP (bank of six machines) in the sports book. The NSUD, 100% Loose Deuces and the 9/6 Bonus Poker Deluxe are gone. The 9/6 Jacks still remain.

Don the Dentist

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[vpFREE] Re: Squidward's CES 2013 Trip Report

 
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[vpFREE] Re: Atlantis in Reno

 



The second day was a multiplier day, but I backed that out of the tally. Was bouncing between NSUD at 1 per $10, Uglies (with a meter that made them not ugly at all) at 1 per $5, and some 8/5 BP at 1 per $5 that the wife is learning on. She gave back about $50 in EV versus JoB (it's the only strategy she knows well), but she was happy all weekend, and that's easily worth $50 to me.

I'd ballpark our coin-in at $35k for the trip, and we left down $30. Hit Deuces four times and was lucky over all. And for what it's worth, you're not the only one who thinks MS is like crack. I tried to get on the machine off and on all weekend and the only time I could was 6am Sunday.

I'm just glad my name isn't Edward Perez. His name was called as the $2,000 cash drawing winner Sunday and he wasn't present. I won't be present next Sunday, hope no one tells me my name was called. I don't want to know. ;)

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> Were you playing on a VP multiplier day?
> NSUD with 1 point for $5 action would infer double points day and you got 4600 points so u gave them $23K. We do twice that/day and were lucky at the joint last year.
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> Keeping our fingers crossed they won't shut us off. Going to hit the slot machines hopefully for a little insurance :-)
>
> We like the Atlantis a lot and gamble mostly at the FPSDB $1 triple line. Will also venture into super times pay and multi-strike (the crack cocaine of video poker).
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "clementiyn" wrote:.
> >
> > Comp points accrue at 1 per $10 coin-in on NSUD, 1 per $5 on 8/5 BP. I suspect other games follow a similar breakdown. The comp rate seems independent of progressives. I was playing nickel ugly ducks with a meter that pushed the game above 100% and was still getting 1 per $5 coin in.
> >
> > I accrued approximately 4600 comp points during my short visit (before multipliers), and accrued approximately 460 Tier points, so I would suspect the rate is 1 per 10. That seems tight to me, given that you need 2000 tier points to get even mediocre rewards.
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[vpFREE] Re: Atlantis in Reno

 

Were you playing on a VP multiplier day?
NSUD with 1 point for $5 action would infer double points day and you got 4600 points so u gave them $23K. We do twice that/day and were lucky at the joint last year.

Keeping our fingers crossed they won't shut us off. Going to hit the slot machines hopefully for a little insurance :-)

We like the Atlantis a lot and gamble mostly at the FPSDB $1 triple line. Will also venture into super times pay and multi-strike (the crack cocaine of video poker).

Just this morning booked a trip for end of February from Boston for $650 total for 2 on Southwest. 8 hour windshield time on plane is not so nice. Hope the middle seat is empty.

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> A couple minor updates.
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> The 5-play Multistrike machine in the non-smoking area is listed in the database as a 1c, 2c, 5c, 25c machine. It is now a 1-5-10-25.
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> Comp points accrue at 1 per $10 coin-in on NSUD, 1 per $5 on 8/5 BP. I suspect other games follow a similar breakdown. The comp rate seems independent of progressives. I was playing nickel ugly ducks with a meter that pushed the game above 100% and was still getting 1 per $5 coin in.
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> I accrued approximately 4600 comp points during my short visit (before multipliers), and accrued approximately 460 Tier points, so I would suspect the rate is 1 per 10. That seems tight to me, given that you need 2000 tier points to get even mediocre rewards.
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[vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 12 FEB 2013

 



I think there are plenty of examples of inductive logic being very useful for gambling. There are many things you can't know a priori. For example, the number of entries in a drawing is very important for estimating your equity. There is no way to do this except with inductive logic. Another example is estimating your edge in tournaments of skill like poker, blackjack or craps. You can't estimate these without inductive logic because the true strategies of your opponents are unknown given that you only observe a small subset of their potential actions.

Anyway, the point is that you should understand which kind of logic is appropriate for each situation. Video poker is a full information game so you should use deductive logic if you played perfectly, but you need to use inductive logic to estimate your error frequency and adjust your ev accordingly.

If you play must hit by slots, the true return is not known and play data is relevant for figuring out the quality of a play. The key here is understanding something about how much events should move your prior about machine returns.

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> Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 12 FEB 2013
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[vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 12 FEB 2013

 

Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 12 FEB 2013

"Induction versus Deduction"

http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/bob_dancer/2013/0212.cfm

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