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[vpFREE] Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 21 MAR 2011
RE: [vpFREE] Re: Board Monitoring
I have had comments from a few of the suits related to my updates.
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpFREE@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
lfcmja@verizon.net
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 6:09 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Board Monitoring
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> , "pyiddy"
<pyiddy@...> wrote:
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> In my case (Majestic Star - Gary IN), they are certainly monitoring my
posts.
Would you share a particular instance with us ?
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[vpFREE] Re: Board Monitoring
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pyiddy" <pyiddy@...> wrote:
>
> In my case (Majestic Star - Gary IN), they are certainly monitoring my posts.
Would you share a particular instance with us ?
RE: [vpFREE] Board Monitoring
In my case (Majestic Star - Gary IN), they are certainly monitoring my posts.
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpFREE@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of GURU PERF
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 5:46 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Board Monitoring
Why in the world WOULDN'T they? Competitive intelligence is just about the most
valuable business commodity there is. News of what your competition is doing,
and how it's being received, compliments or complaints from your own customers,
available at the cost of maybe 15 minutes a day of a lower-to-middle manager's
time.
Certainly the game is rigged. Don't let that stop you; if you don't bet, you
can't win. -Lazarus Long
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice,
there is. -Yogi Berra
There is no such thing as luck. There is only adequate or inadequate preparation
to cope with a statistical universe. -Robert Heinlein
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From: "lfcmja@verizon.net <mailto:lfcmja%40verizon.net> " <lfcmja@verizon.net <mailto:lfcmja%40verizon.net> >
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, March 21, 2011 4:54:05 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Board Monitoring
This came up on another board. Whats your opinion ?
In acvpp@yahoogroups.com <mailto:acvpp%40yahoogroups.com> , "RM" <royalmaker4000@...> wrote:
If anyone still believes that most casinos do not monitor the video poker chat
groups, they are kidding themselves.
RM brings up a topic that personally I find very interesting and would like to
know other members opinions.
Are we being monitored by casinos ? Why ? We are a small percentage of their
overall play and they know that if they want to " snuff out" most of our play
simply downgrade the paytables. Anyone have concrete evidence as to our being
monitored and why ?
Larry Feldman
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Re: [vpFREE] Board Monitoring
Why in the world WOULDN'T they? Competitive intelligence is just about the most
valuable business commodity there is. News of what your competition is doing,
and how it's being received, compliments or complaints from your own customers,
available at the cost of maybe 15 minutes a day of a lower-to-middle manager's
time.
Certainly the game is rigged. Don't let that stop you; if you don't bet, you
can't win. -Lazarus Long
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice,
there is. -Yogi Berra
There is no such thing as luck. There is only adequate or inadequate preparation
to cope with a statistical universe. -Robert Heinlein
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From: "lfcmja@verizon.net" <lfcmja@verizon.net>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, March 21, 2011 4:54:05 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Board Monitoring
This came up on another board. Whats your opinion ?
In acvpp@yahoogroups.com, "RM" <royalmaker4000@...> wrote:
If anyone still believes that most casinos do not monitor the video poker chat
groups, they are kidding themselves.
RM brings up a topic that personally I find very interesting and would like to
know other members opinions.
Are we being monitored by casinos ? Why ? We are a small percentage of their
overall play and they know that if they want to " snuff out" most of our play
simply downgrade the paytables. Anyone have concrete evidence as to our being
monitored and why ?
Larry Feldman
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[vpFREE] Re: Board Monitoring
Yes they do monitor these boards. A few days after I posted about a specific casino I got a message from a host addressing my question.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "lfcmja@..." <lfcmja@...> wrote:
>
> This came up on another board. Whats your opinion ?
>
>
> In acvpp@yahoogroups.com, "RM" <royalmaker4000@> wrote:
> If anyone still believes that most casinos do not monitor the video poker chat
> groups, they are kidding themselves.
>
> RM brings up a topic that personally I find very interesting and would like to
> know other members opinions.
> Are we being monitored by casinos ? Why ? We are a small percentage of their
> overall play and they know that if they want to " snuff out" most of our play
> simply downgrade the paytables. Anyone have concrete evidence as to our being
> monitored and why ?
>
> Larry Feldman
>
[vpFREE] Board Monitoring
This came up on another board. Whats your opinion ?
In acvpp@yahoogroups.com, "RM" <royalmaker4000@...> wrote:
If anyone still believes that most casinos do not monitor the video poker chat
groups, they are kidding themselves.
RM brings up a topic that personally I find very interesting and would like to
know other members opinions.
Are we being monitored by casinos ? Why ? We are a small percentage of their
overall play and they know that if they want to " snuff out" most of our play
simply downgrade the paytables. Anyone have concrete evidence as to our being
monitored and why ?
Larry Feldman
[vpFREE] Hotel/Casino Options besides Red Rock
I am looking for new options to stay/play in Vegas. Ussaully stay at Red Rock but not impressed by my recent offers. Looking for hotel options of the same quality and decent VP mainly .25/$1 play. All suggestions appreciated. hrsriver.
RE: [vpFREE] Picture needed of dealt royal
I have one on my website. It is a 25c NSUD 5-play.
http://videopokerhelp.net/vpHands.html
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From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpFREE@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
deuceswild1000
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 9:45 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Picture needed of dealt royal
I need a picture of a dealt royal. Must be NSUD and 25c denom. You could
email me direct or let me know if you have one on the picture files and
where it is located. I could not find any when I looked.
TIA
DWK
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RE: [vpFREE] 7 Stars Dates Complete
Hi Tom,
Kelley Crovetto our Nola host booked our rooms right away. Thanks for the info.
Hope to see you there!
Mike
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> CC: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com; vpmail2@yahoogroups.com
> From: coachvee@aol.com
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 12:28:14 -0400
> Subject: [vpFREE] 7 Stars Dates Complete
>
> Hi Gang:
> The dates for the three Harrah's/Caesars Seven Stars Signature Events in
> 2011 are now complete.
> As I've already posted, the first will be in Atlantic City June 23-26. The
> second will be in Lake Tahoe Aug. 26-29 and the third will be in New
> Orleans Oct. 6-9 AND Oct. 13-16. I'm guessing that NOLA split its event over two
> weekends since it cannot handle large crowds like the other two venues.
> The second weekend in NOLA also coincides with the Crescent City Blues and
> Barbecue weekend, which is supposed to be a very nice event in itself. So,
> maybe that will be part of the Seven Stars celebration.
> This information comes from very good sources, inside the Harrah's family
> and out, so we're guessing that it is very reliable even though there has
> been no official word from Harrah's higher-ups yet.
> No other details are available at this time, other than what we've posted
> previously about the AC event.
> Meanwhile, Hedy and I are flying to Reno tomorrow for a three-night split
> stay at Harrah's and the Atlantis, then we continue on to Vegas Friday for
> a three-night stay at South Point.
> We were hoping to head West off a win this past weekend and we did,
> although it was a bit sobering after Hedy hit aces with a kicker for 2K twice
> within five minutes on Saturday and we wound up going home just a couple of
> hundred dollars to the good. But, as they say, a win is a win is a win ...
> Regards,
> CoachVee & Hedy
>
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[vpFREE] 7 Stars Dates Complete
Hi Gang:
The dates for the three Harrah's/Caesars Seven Stars Signature Events in
2011 are now complete.
As I've already posted, the first will be in Atlantic City June 23-26. The
second will be in Lake Tahoe Aug. 26-29 and the third will be in New
Orleans Oct. 6-9 AND Oct. 13-16. I'm guessing that NOLA split its event over two
weekends since it cannot handle large crowds like the other two venues.
The second weekend in NOLA also coincides with the Crescent City Blues and
Barbecue weekend, which is supposed to be a very nice event in itself. So,
maybe that will be part of the Seven Stars celebration.
This information comes from very good sources, inside the Harrah's family
and out, so we're guessing that it is very reliable even though there has
been no official word from Harrah's higher-ups yet.
No other details are available at this time, other than what we've posted
previously about the AC event.
Meanwhile, Hedy and I are flying to Reno tomorrow for a three-night split
stay at Harrah's and the Atlantis, then we continue on to Vegas Friday for
a three-night stay at South Point.
We were hoping to head West off a win this past weekend and we did,
although it was a bit sobering after Hedy hit aces with a kicker for 2K twice
within five minutes on Saturday and we wound up going home just a couple of
hundred dollars to the good. But, as they say, a win is a win is a win ...
Regards,
CoachVee & Hedy
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Re: [vpFREE] Math Help Needed
I don't recall doing a Kelly problem before, so be sure to check my work to see
that I've interpreted your question correctly.
I think the proper way to do this comparison would be to use 30 final hand
combinations rather than taking "the additional frequency of each ending hand."
That allows the ending hands to have the normal frequency total of 1, rather
than zero. It also allows you to distribute the varying results from the
straight draw of 0 bets, 1 bet, and 2 bets among all the final hands from the
deuce draw rather than apportioning them in some other manner or than just using
its expected value of the return of 1 bet.
30 is the product of the 3 final hand possibilities drawing to the straight and
the 10 final hand possibilities drawing to the deuce. If you can assume that
the results of the different draws would be independent, you can set up your
frequencies and difference in results with one example being a probability of
(81560 * 19) / (178365 * 47) for the combination of drawing no scoring hand from
the deuce and a straight from the W987. This would have a result of a loss of 2
bets. Another example would be determining the probability and difference of
quad deuces vs. drawing trips from the 4-card wild straight draw: probability
of (44 * 9) / (178365 * 47) with a resulting gain of 199 bets. Do this for all
30 combinations and then do the calculus required by Kelly.
I cheated and used Excel's Solver rather than doing an analytical maximization
by setting the derivative of log of the product of the 30 possibilities equal to
zero. If I did it right, I came up with an answer of a required bankroll of
81,272 bets.
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From: Tom Robertson <007@embarqmail.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, March 21, 2011 3:29:31 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Math Help Needed
I'm analyzing something having to do with a hand in
1-2-3-4-4-9-15-25-200 Deuces Wild. The hand is 973s8W, in which the
"best" play is to keep the deuce, but only by a tiny margin over the
straight draw. My question is the bankroll required, according to the
Kelly Criterion, to draw to the deuce instead of the presumably lower
fluctuation straight draw. I've come up with an answer of 35,624
units, which seems reasonable, but I'm not sure I've done it right.
My method was to take the additional frequency of each ending hand
that drawing to the deuce results in over what drawing to the straight
results in, but that required the total frequency of ending hands be 0
instead of the normal 1 that I'm used to in working with the Kelly
Criterion and that the frequency for the straight be negative, neither
of which I'm sure works correctly. Is there a better way of going
about it?
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[vpFREE] Re: Rio offers in April
No offense taken Larry. In fact in many ways I know you are right. This last trip we had comped Cher tickets, comped Penn and Teller tickets a good size suite and comped food.
Yes their marketing dept/hosts are smart.
That said, if I do go there and play their less then full pay games, I do expect to continue to get these kinds of offers....if they cut off the offers or give minimal offers I will be much less likely to give them my business...
I play mostly at Harrahs Rincon (live in socal) and had not been to Vegas in awhile. I guess that is why they were sending the good offers.
Now that I went it appears they do not care if I come back!
Trish
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "lfcmja@..." <lfcmja@...> wrote:
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>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "patricia" <udamom@> wrote:
>
> > We went at the end of Jan and I earned 3600 tier pts playing their crappy games over 2 days.
>
> First off this is not to be taken personally. Patricia can do whatever she wants with her money, but if the supposed educated people on this board( and other boards), and there are quite a few, are willing to play these games, and in addition accept the cutbacks why would any casino offer something good ?
> All you're doing is proving that casino marketing is in fact very smart !
>
> My two cents.
>
> Larry F.
>
[vpFREE] Math Help Needed
I'm analyzing something having to do with a hand in
1-2-3-4-4-9-15-25-200 Deuces Wild. The hand is 973s8W, in which the
"best" play is to keep the deuce, but only by a tiny margin over the
straight draw. My question is the bankroll required, according to the
Kelly Criterion, to draw to the deuce instead of the presumably lower
fluctuation straight draw. I've come up with an answer of 35,624
units, which seems reasonable, but I'm not sure I've done it right.
My method was to take the additional frequency of each ending hand
that drawing to the deuce results in over what drawing to the straight
results in, but that required the total frequency of ending hands be 0
instead of the normal 1 that I'm used to in working with the Kelly
Criterion and that the frequency for the straight be negative, neither
of which I'm sure works correctly. Is there a better way of going
about it?