Re: [vpFREE] Re: Caesars Total Rewards points

 

We watched the antics at the South Point NSUD 100 plays, that double points day from the seafood restaurant . Musical chairs, relay race and 100 yard dashes. One person flamboyantly pulls out a wad of Benjamin's to replenish another's bankroll.

Keep a low profile. Give them the same amount of action the day before or after. Play early morning .Stuff like that.

Putting Gaughan in charge of CZR or Revel  would be a clash of cultures.


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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Caesars Total Rewards points

 

I kind of feel I should clarify my post. I'm not making an argument for or against casino countermeasures against AP.  All I'm saying is that I don't see how the South Point policy of offering beatable opportunities, but excluding people they feel can beat them is any different from the policy of other casinos.  So I'm wondering what makes their policy "exemplary."


Basically the Suncoast put in opportunities and 86'd people they thought might capitalize.  Other casinos put in blackjack with beatable rules and refuse the action of people they think could capitalize.  Even stations put in over 100% machines, but will back off people that capitalize on larger denomination opportunies.  I don't see much difference in any of these policies from what South Point does.  And I think a lot of people have complained that the policies in this current paragraph are unfair (I'm not making any statement as to whether they are fair or not).  What makes the South Point policy so much more fair?

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Caesars Total Rewards points

 

If what an AP is doing is obvious or not from immediate appearance or from looking at their results over years, I just don't think the following policy is an examplary model of a "fair bet."


Let's put in machines that can be beat in conjunction with our promotions.  Let's offer free classes that will lay out how to identify the opportunities and teach people how to play those machines correctly.  That way we can give people the impression that we are more tolerant of winners and intelligence.  Of course, if we get the impression that someone can actually pull it off, we need to take their card away.

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[vpFREE] part 2 - wasted -- suggestions for better casino promotions

 

After wasting a lot of time at these parties which drag on and on and often have poor or little food while waiting for drawings, it occurs to me that casinos could do a lot better in promotions that would bring people to their casino, and get the people actually gambling rather than just sitting around waiting for a drawing.
 
1.  Why not send out a "you have won a mystery prize" of $50-1000.  You must register it on day such and such at our club booth by 6pm, and return to the  to claim the prize after 8 pm the same day.
This forces people pretty much to gamble or eat for at least 2 hours or more but gives them an incentive to go to the casino.  The casino no longer has to staff a bunch of people to log you in to hand you a ticket for a drawing or a wristlet to get into a drawing, or waiters or busboys, etc.  Maybe put a table next to the club booth from 5-6 pm and 8-9 pm when a lot of people might come staffed with say 4 people.  To prove their rub off prize was registered on time, they just stamp some symbol on it.  (no scratching before 6 pm allowed)  Then they return to the cashier for redemption on the same day.
 
You could have this be in free play too, to make more money for the casino.  The cashier just hands out free play machine-readable vouchers for any money won.
 
2.  You could make this offer even more equivalent to the "reception" offer by including a free buffet coupon, only good for the day of the prize.  Giving a free buffet probably would cost a casino far less than doing even the cheapest cheese-chips-salsa reception because you no longer have to higher special waitresses, bus boys, bar tenders, door watchers, etc. 
 
You could do this for higher level people by offering a voucher for $100 or $200 or whatever you want good at any restaurant in the casino, but that day only (reservations strongly suggested).
 
3.  Then there are those crappy gifts that casinos often give out to players who come to these reception/dinner/party prize drawings.  Just figure out the approximate cost of these gifts and give out a voucher for X$ in free play too, useable only on that one day only.  The vouchers for food and free play all come in the mail - save on personnel costs to hand out special meal tickets, gifts, etc.  No costs for storing or packaging gifts.  If you really really want to give out gifts, give a voucher for one of those gift companies that have catalogs of gifts.  They get the catalog/voucher thing when they "register" for their scratch card.
 
4.  Or just do the whole prize thing electronically -- you register sometime during the day at the club booth, and all the entries go into an electronic bin and names are announced at 8pm and posted at the cashier -- you have until 12 midnight to pick up prizes.  If the casino doesn't have the technology to do it electronically, then when you register for the prizes, your invitation card (or a hand-written one if you didn't bring it), goes into a barrel.  Someone pulls out the winners in some corner of the casino at 8pm, but you don't need to be standing there to win.  The names are announced on the loud speaker and posted at the cashier - pick up by midnight or noon the next day. 
 
These are just a few suggestions to make players lives easier.  They also would make more money for the casinos because players would be gambling instead of sitting around for two boring hours waiting for a drawing. 
 
I'm sure there are many other ways to do things that would work better than they are done now.  The surprising thing is that these bad drawings have been going on for years and years wasting time and money.  If a casino really wants to do one of the party/drawing things, then for gosh sakes, post exactly what times you need to arrive to register (for example 4:30-5:30), times for food (5-6 pm), time for drawing (6 pm), and then have some decent food! and a band (not super loud blasting peoples's ears!) or maybe a magic show or a guitarist or something (and not someone praising the President of the casino as in my last complaining post on and on and on....).  
 
And please someone, stop giving out 2 wine glasses to people over 40 years old as gifts!

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[vpFREE] Re: Progressive strategy change and variance

 

You might want to try the minimum-cost-of-a-royal strategy which can be
automatically calculated for any payoff schedule by Optimum Video Poker.

--
Dan Paymar, developer of "Optimum Video Poker" software
Visit my web site at http://www.OptimumPlay.com
"Chance favors the prepared mind" ~ Louis Pasteur

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[vpFREE] part 1 - Wasted another 2 hours of my life at a drawing/reception

 

This is getting annoying.  Why can't casino managers come up with promotions that are not annoying (see part 2 for my suggestions).  This time it was the Gold Coast.  An invitation turned up for a party from 4:30-6:30 pm with prizes, food, and drinks listed and $1000 prize listed.  Now for us this is right in the middle of the dinner hour (many of us seniors eat at this time and usual attendees for these things include a lot of seniors).  So you would expect at least a few hot appetizers, if not something like a carving station, and I had been to previous events at the Gold Coast where they had hot appetizers. 
 
But NOOOOO.  Instead the food was the world's saltiest potato chips, crackers, some cubed cheese (when they ran out later they put out crumbles of cheese and cheese slices), fruit (this was the best part - slices of cantelopes, watermelons, a few strawberries and grapes), and dips of INCREDIBLY spicy salsa and quacamole. 
 
People started lining up at 4pm, but of course they didn't open the doors until exactly 4:30 and by then the line was huge.  They started processing names, looking them up on a non-alphabetized list, taking about a minute a person!  I suggested that they let in anyone bringing with them the printed invitation and they could look up the name later to check off the list, and they began to do so, thankfully speeding up the process or it would have taken about 3 hours to let in everyone, instead of the 45 minutes it took.  We were near the front which was helpful because I could never have stood in such a long line with my bad knees.
 
The good news was the bar was open, but the food was awful.  I went out to buy something from the coffee bar I could bring in and eat and asked when the drawing would be, and was told it would be at 6 pm.  But later they announced the drawing would be at 6:30 pm.
 
So they had this event from 4:30 to 6:30 but had to wait until the very last minute to do the drawings, which was at least an hour after everyone had entered, eaten, and drunk.  And many of us just sat there and waited, with no music or entertainment either. 
 
People started to leave early, since who would expect the drawing to be at the very last minute of the event?  Two people gave us tickets for the drawing.  Of course that didn't help, we just are unlucky at these drawings.  On top of that, after announcing there would be 11 winners, of course not everyone got the $1000 -- instead it was 5 prizes of $100 and 5 of $200 -- not a really rich drawing.
 
At about 6 pm the host came over since he heard me say after we arrived and saw the food that this was our dinner hour and the food was very very skimpy, and offered me a comp dinner at Cortez room.  Why didn't he do that at 5 pm?  In the meanwhile my husband had filled up on fruit and I had eaten some ice cream from the coffee bar.
 
In short, another waste of two hours of my life, sitting being bored, with nothing to show for it but a handful of free salty potato chips and a very small free bailey's irish cream....

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Progressive strategy change and variance

 

I have mentioned this a couple of times over the years. (Bob Dancer did a couple of articles on this in Casino Player many years ago.) I have used this method for over 20 years back in the "Stanford Wong" VP days.
Almost all normal VP software will show you the ER for all possible plays. To find out when the RF play is better take the difference between ERs for the perfect 4000 coin play and the RF play and multiply that by the number of possible draws to the RF play (47 for a 4RF, 1081 for a 3RF, 16215 for a 2RF and 177,365 for a stiff high card.) Add the result to 4,000 (the non-progressive RF amount.)

Ex: Playing 9-6 Jacks
      Dealt Kc, Qc, Jc, Jd, 2s. KQJ suited has an ER of 7.4422. JJ has an ER of 7.6827.
      Difference = 0.2405, Combos = 1081
      0.2405 * 1081 = 260.
      4000 + 260 = 4260 so you play for the royal at 4260 or higher.

Discussion of Max EV versus min risk or other strategies is beyond the scope of this.

Howard W. Stern 


On Saturday, July 12, 2014 6:46 PM, "pede1976@badbeatscrew.com [vpFREE]" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
Just an update, I did figure out how to do all the stats/variance analysis with FVP.  I was surprised to find that the standard 9/6 optimal strategy on a 9/6 machine with a 5500 coin royal went up from 19.5 to 34.1.  I guess this just goes to show you that high variance is not necessarily a bad thing. 

Now onto a simpler question.  What are the common strategy differences you make when playing these progressives that have a high value?  The two things that stand out to me are taking 3 to a royal over a high pair as well as including ATs towards the bottom of the list.


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[vpFREE] Re: Progressive strategy change and variance

 

Just an update, I did figure out how to do all the stats/variance analysis with FVP.  I was surprised to find that the standard 9/6 optimal strategy on a 9/6 machine with a 5500 coin royal went up from 19.5 to 34.1.  I guess this just goes to show you that high variance is not necessarily a bad thing. 

Now onto a simpler question.  What are the common strategy differences you make when playing these progressives that have a high value?  The two things that stand out to me are taking 3 to a royal over a high pair as well as including ATs towards the bottom of the list.

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[vpFREE] Re: Caesars Total Rewards points

 

Sorry Harry- I'll hi-jack it a little more- wasn't CZR told there was an issue with one of the Gansvoort(sp?) owners?  Maybe that was the story that used by MA to turn them away, but there isn't a Gansvoort hotel in Vegas now- just a Cromwell (no relation).  Might have actually been a fire behind that smoke.


Thanks, Lee.


  

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Caesars Total Rewards points

 

I'm sure of that. I was there. Talking about not keeping a low profile. So obvious. Two machines at a time. Pulling out a wad of Benjamins to replenish a colleagues bankroll.. 

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Caesars Total Rewards points

 

"And Gaughan would be good for us video poker players looking for a fair bet."

Pretty sure the dozen or so APs that had their South Point accounts taken away because they were only playing good games on multipliers days will disagree with that statement.

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[vpFREE] Re: Joker Games

 

Susan,
I hit the joker 4700 progressive a few years ago for $1800+(tax form grr)
on the old flat tables by the bar. The machines were gone the next week.
Where are the new ones located?

Jim Mason

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[vpFREE] LVRJ: Owners of Trump Plaza expect mid-September closure

 

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