[vpFREE] Indians Casinos and Taxes (Re: STAY AWAY FROM NEW YORK, NEW YORK)

caplatinum,

I really don't care what you call it or how you try to spin it.

A tax is a tax.

Just because you put the word in quotes ("The 25% "tax"
on slot revenues in Connecticut - is not a tax....") does not
make it any less of a tax(*).

For all intents and purposes relating you your quote ("Indian
casinos can comp more they don't pay taxes"), the amounts
paid to states by Indian casinos are taxes.

You can call these payments to the state anything you want.
But, a tax is a tax is a tax....is a tax.

Your statement was inaccurate. Highly.

Curtis

(*)From the American Heritage Dictionary:
Tax (tâks) noun
A contribution for the support of a government required of
persons, groups, or businesses within the domain of that
government.


On 1/29/08, caplatinum <belairgold@...> wrote:
No highly accurate -first which Indian tribe casino pays federal
corporate income taxes? - none. The 25% "tax" on slot revenues in
Connecticut - is not a tax, it was not imposed by the Connecticut
Legislature - it was a negotiated deal for an Indian monopoly on
casinos in that state. In fact, the key thing that kept Steve Wynn out
of Connecticut years ago was that if they allowed him a casino, the
Indian contribution to the state goes away - that is a contract, not a
tax - because the Indians are soverign, the state has no right to tax
them. In California, there is no uniform forumula for what the Indian
casinos pay, it all depends on what compact they have. In fact, in both
states, it is a function of slot revenue, the Indians pays nothing on
table game win. Contrast that with states like Nevada or New Jersey
where commericial casino pay the gaming tax on both table and slot
revenue and with states with a corporate income tax like NJ or
Michigan, the casino companies pay both the gaming tax and state income
tax


--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Curtis Rich" <LGTVegas@...> wrote:
> Highly inaccurate. Highly.
>
>
> On 1/28/08, caplatinum <belairgold@...> wrote:
> Indian casinos can comp more they don't pay taxes


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[vpFREE] Re: The VP MENSA MYTH LIVES ON

BANDSTAND54@... wrote:
...By playing one coin your money will lasts longer and somehow it
works out better for you in the long run..... or something like that!...
======================================
Maybe he was getting at this:
Playing 1-4 coins gives you a return of 98.373%.
Playing 5 coins gives you a return of 99.544%.
Playing 500 hands per hour gives you a loss of $11.40 at 5 coins and a
loss of $8.14 at 1-4 coins, so you're saving $3.26 per hour by playing
short coin, and at one coin, no W2G.

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Re: [vpFREE] PICTURE: $13,808 - $1 PROG Royal



In a message dated 1/29/2008 10:57:33 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
nudge51@cox.net writes:

TQK were the cards that were held in the photo

There I go thinking in the Negative again :)

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would call unrefined. She was the kind of person that keeps a parrot."
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Re: [vpFREE] PICTURE: $13,808 - $1 PROG Royal


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Subject: Re: [vpFREE] PICTURE: $13,808 - $1 PROG Royal

> With that value I guess holding JA of hearts was absolutely correct!!
Any
> game?
>
> Karen

TQK were the cards that were held in the photo. Looks like 7-5 JOB, and at
that royal, was over 2 1/2% return.
Nudge

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[vpFREE] Re: The VP MENSA MYTH LIVES ON

Just a brief comment on this thread -- I happen to be a Mensa Member
because on a day long ago I happened to answer a lot of questions on a
test correctly. However, the reason that I belong to this group is
because I learn from all of you and I follow the full coin rules. A
book by a non player doesn't stack up against lots of practice on the
computer programs and reading the messages in this type of group. For
the last 4 years my wife and I have had a lot of fun playing VP and the
IRS has enjoyed our 6 figure total of W2G wins. I doubt that my Mensa
card has really contributed to the wins.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, BANDSTAND54@... wrote:
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> Howdy
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> Today I started a conversation with an intelligent rather impressive
> gentleman at The Borgata in AC. I found it rather disappointing and
was somewhat
> taken aback he was playing a 1.00 9/6 JoB...ONE DOLLAR AT A TIME.
>
> Why I asked was he only playing one at a time. He explained he had
read a
> book by a mensan that determined any VP game that was not a positive -
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Re: [vpFREE] PICTURE: $13,808 - $1 PROG Royal



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vpFae@Cox.net writes:

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With that value I guess holding JA of hearts was absolutely correct!! Any
game?

Karen

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: A Tax Question

<<It has been my experience that you can't write off your losses against
a 1099 unless you're filing as a pro.>>

Many recreational players have been able to do this, but you need to list
them with your W-2Gs on a separate sheet of paper and label them gambling
wins. We discuss this subject in "Tax Help for Gamblers."

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[vpFREE] Re: Palazzo

> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, misscraps@... wrote:
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> When I played the $1 9/6 JB outside the high roller
> room at the Palazzo they required only 5 coins to
> give $4000 royal, and were 5 coin machines. If
> there are 10-coin, that might be another bank.

You are correct that Palazzo has some $1/$2/$5 video
poker 5-coin machines and some 10-coin machines. They
are both now in the database here.

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Re: [vpFREE] A Tax Question

Casinos have to send 1099s or W-2Gs (if they haven't given them to you
earlier) by January 31st. If you don't get one by then, then you probably
aren't getting one.
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[vpFREE] Re: A Tax Question

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Russell Fox" <rcfox@...> wrote:
>
> Connie asked,
>
> "You won a substantial drawing at a casino (drop a ticket in a bucket
> for a chance to win 50K), you were given a check and no federal or
> state taxes were withheld....would you expect to receive a 1099, W2-
> G, 1042-S, or some other statement?
>
> The casino has all the particulars, name, ss#, players card #,
> current address...but to date nothing has been rec'd.
>
> Win/loss statements have been collected for the year's worth of VP,
> and the losses not are not close to the win this year.....but losses
> over the last few years equal or exceed...."
>
> If you're a US citizen you should receive a 1099-MISC. A drawing as
you described is like a sweepstakes and falls under those tax rules
rather than the gambling rules.
>
> These forms (1099s, W-2s, etc.) are required to be mailed by January
31st, so you might not receive the form for another week. Even if you
don't receive the form you're required to report all of your income on
your tax return.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Russ Fox
> http://www.taxabletalk.com/
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It has been my experience that you can't write off your losses against
a 1099 unless you're filing as a pro.

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[vpFREE] Re: Silverton offers

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "ask4patti" <ask4patti@...> wrote:
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> The points required for the levels are: Silver: 5,000 - 24,999 points,
> Gold: 25,000 - 99,999, Platinum: 100,000+ points
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Platinum is 100,000 to 399,999. Diamond is 400,000+

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Re: [vpFREE] A Tax Question

Connie asked,

"You won a substantial drawing at a casino (drop a ticket in a bucket
for a chance to win 50K), you were given a check and no federal or
state taxes were withheld....would you expect to receive a 1099, W2-
G, 1042-S, or some other statement?

The casino has all the particulars, name, ss#, players card #,
current address...but to date nothing has been rec'd.

Win/loss statements have been collected for the year's worth of VP,
and the losses not are not close to the win this year.....but losses
over the last few years equal or exceed...."

If you're a US citizen you should receive a 1099-MISC. A drawing as you described is like a sweepstakes and falls under those tax rules rather than the gambling rules.

These forms (1099s, W-2s, etc.) are required to be mailed by January 31st, so you might not receive the form for another week. Even if you don't receive the form you're required to report all of your income on your tax return.

Hope this helps,

Russ Fox
http://www.taxabletalk.com/

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