Re: [vpFREE] Re: LVRJ: Cosmopolitan Promotion

 

<jpawloski@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is a lot of anecdotal evidence, so at this point I will just say I am
> wrong. However, I am still perplexed about a number of things, including
> what she, the boothling, thought was confusing about this... I guess I'm the
> only one confused...

i played the promo today, and i also received a confusing description
of it from the boothling, similar to what you described. she made it
sound like you had to do some kind of complicated tracking of results
- i believe she used the word "math" - rather than simply having a net
loss of $100 on the day.

my best guess is that they had problems with people putting in $100,
cashing out $150, moving to another machine, putting in $100 and
losing it, and thinking they were entitled to a $100 rebate. and they
are doing a poor job of "clarifying" that this isn't how it works.

i simplified matters by playing two $50 hands and losing them both,
thus qualifying me for the full rebate under any possible
interpretation. :)

cheers,

five

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: "Picking Up" Free Play

 

I think I know what sai sai is saying and I do the same. When I come to town I check into 4 or more hotels for the free play included in the offers. The one I stay at is the only one that gets more play than once thru the free play. I'll alternate stays on different visits. Most casinos send fp offers out for 6 months or more without playing beyond fp at them. I've done this for years and have earned thousands in cash for taking advantage of the offers that way.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE smartphone

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From: "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@yahoo.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: "Picking Up" Free Play
Date: Sat, Jun 18, 2011 10:04 pm
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Sai Sai" <gofastnismo@...> wrote:

>

> I usually play free play on a vp game that offers 2-1 on the two pair. Less volatility and I can cash out my full amount of free play into cash over 90% of the time.

>

This I do not understand at all. Assuming you intend to continue playing in the future so as to earn regular monthly bounceback, why would it matter one iota whether you cash the free play out 90% of the time? If you look at video poker results in the long term, why would free play not also be part of that long term? If I include it amongst regular play, $25 free play is still $25 whether I win that day or lose that day.

Volatility is your friend!

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[vpFREE] Re: "Picking Up" Free Play

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Sai Sai" <gofastnismo@...> wrote:
>
> I usually play free play on a vp game that offers 2-1 on the two pair. Less volatility and I can cash out my full amount of free play into cash over 90% of the time.
>

This I do not understand at all. Assuming you intend to continue playing in the future so as to earn regular monthly bounceback, why would it matter one iota whether you cash the free play out 90% of the time? If you look at video poker results in the long term, why would free play not also be part of that long term? If I include it amongst regular play, $25 free play is still $25 whether I win that day or lose that day.

Volatility is your friend!

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[vpFREE] Re: M Progressives--By The Numbers

 



OK, I have now had time to go over Nudge's work. He has saved us all a huge amount of time and work and for this I hope everyone that uses his published info will send him a nice thank you.

The return amounts he has listed for each game are correct playing a progressive strategy for the amounts listed, but do not include the card cash-back, and the value of the meter progression that accrues while you play.

I would recommend the following values be added to the base return amounts Nudge stated and then you should have the whole picture.

Card Cash-back = .3%
Meter-Rise on active meter = .5% (if you intend to get down and stay down until the meter hits.)

Meter Rise on active meter = .1% (if you intend to play a short while and then leave, even if the JP is still up.)

Monthly Mailer = .2% (if applicable)

Totals:
Playing straight through until a meter hits = add 1%
Playing in short secessions = add .6%

A word on strategy:
Because of the card cash-back, the value of playing a progressive strategy is actually counteracted. As you shorten your RF cycle you diminish the amount of total cash-back you'll get per Royal.

The two dynamics don't completely negate each other, but they do make playing a hyper accurate progressive strategy far less of an issue. Nudge's breakpoints are super nice to know, but don't feel you have to know them to play.

The difference is as little as 3%...and by this I mean that if you would be expected to make $100 playing perfectly, you'd be expecting to make $97 ignoring the breakpoints. It's not 3% of the total action, it's 3% of the win (or overlay) that you be sacrificing. So if you were playing with a 2% edge ignoring breakpoints would cost you 3% of 2%, or .06% (that's six hundredths of a percent)...don't sweat it.

Don't forget to thank Nudge for the heavy lifting.

~FK

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[vpFREE] Re: "Picking Up" Free Play

 

This is such a good question with such a complicated answer, I've decided to make it an on-air topic for the radio show.

Just to paraphrase. You have two diametrically opposed forces working against each other.

1. How to get the best return from your free-play today.
2. How to continue getting the most amount of free-play in the future.

...and all the while trying not get break casino rules (written and implied) and maintain your good standing.

For some, this means getting away with as much as the market will bare.

For others, this means playing it safe and always giving the casino some good faith action.

There are arguments for both strategies. I'm sure others will chime in on what they do. Offering my own methodology would not answer the question for you, since I'm a non-standard case.

~FK

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan O. Roemer" <public@...> wrote: I'm curious, how do most of you go about "picking up" your free play? More specifically, do you play until either you hit something big or you run out of credits? (i.e., take a pot shot because it's house money.)

Or, do you just play the minimum number of hands until you can cash out?? (i.e., take the money and run.)

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[vpFREE] In some places you can transfer comps

 

Sometimes you have a lot of comps at places where you don't gamble much any
more. Ask if the comps can be transferred to a sister property & how it
can be used. I did this recently by transferring comps from Fiesta Henderson
to Green Valley Ranch & also from River Palms to Tropicana Express
(Laughlin).

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[vpFREE] Re: LVRJ: Palms partners with TPG in effort to reduce debt

 

TPG also partnered with Apollo Management Group to acquire Harrahs in 2006.
In the same year, it partnered with 3 others to acquire Freescale
Semiconductor for $17.6 billion which is now worth $4 billion. It also lost its
total investment in Washington Mutual ($1.35 billion). I hope its losing
streak ends with the Palms. It doesn't need the Playboy clubs but I love the
toga parties.


In a message dated 6/15/2011 1:30:23 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
vpFREE@yahoogroups.com writes:

_LVRJ: Palms partners with TPG in effort to reduce debt _
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vpFREE/message/115268;_ylc=X3oDMTJzM21jbWZnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdy
cElkAzQ2NDEwMTcEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzMyBG1zZ0lkAzExNTI2OARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsD
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Re: [vpFREE] Re: "Picking Up" Free Play

 

<<More specifically, do you play until either you hit something big or
> you run out of credits? (i.e., take a pot shot because it's house
> money.)>>

Once you play it through once, it is no longer the house's money. Then it
is your money and your choice on how you are going to spend it. We usually
do not play with that money any more unless it is a day we planned to play
there anyway (because of multiple points or to reach certain mailer levels)
or it is a casino that is known to frown on people picking up free play and
doing no additional play and there might be adverse consequences, i.e.,
mailer cutoffs. In that latter case, we might play just a minimal amount
compared to our other play days.

________________
Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler
http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/

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[vpFREE] Re: "Picking Up" Free Play

 

I usually play free play on a vp game that offers 2-1 on the two pair. Less volatility and I can cash out my full amount of free play into cash over 90% of the time.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan O. Roemer" <public@...> wrote:
>
> I'm curious, how do most of you go about "picking up" your free play?
>
> More specifically, do you play until either you hit something big or
> you run out of credits? (i.e., take a pot shot because it's house
> money.)
>
> Or, do you just play the minimum number of hands until you can cash
> out?? (i.e., take the money and run.)
>

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[vpFREE] Re: Mildly OT: Atlantic City VP group - approval pending in limbo?

 



Thanks. I went to acvpp's home page and I was greeted by the Join button ... so apparently my first request expired. Trying again ...

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "moogliest" <jzidek@...> wrote:
>
> Here is your answer as the moderator just posted this on the AC VP board:
> Apologies
>
> Sorry I haven't been around lately. My desktop is hosed and my
> laptop is dying. I just can't handle list mail on my phone or
> iPad. I used to be able to read my email during work but now I'm
> working through my lunch because we're too busy.
>
> I'm hoping to fix my computers this weekend. Then comes the hard
> part of catching up on all the email.
>
> Again, my apologies.
> siona@
>
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, kelso 1600 <kelso1600@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Being included on the ACVPP mailing list can take a while (weeks or months). Be patient if you want to be included.
> >
> > If you have a question that needs answering now, you may want to post it on this list.
> >
> >
> > > To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> > > From: dcc1079@
> > > Date: Sun, 22 May 2011 16:34:29 +0000
> > > Subject: [vpFREE] Mildly OT: Atlantic City VP group - approval pending in limbo?
> > >
> > > Is there someone here who would be so kind as to please help me get approved for membership to the AC VP group (acvpp)?
> > >
> > > I tried to join some weeks ago, and a few days ago sent an email to the listed group owner's address, but my status remains "your membership is awaiting approval by the group owner." Really now, this is too long for absolutely no response. Any help appreciated.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Don in Colorado
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

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[vpFREE] Re: "Picking Up" Free Play

 

It is my OPINION that the MONEY is not MONEY until it is played through the minimum number of times. At that time, it becomes my MONEY and all play and strategy is what would be normal for me.

I can take it and leave, or, if I wish and if I think the machine has reasonable play, I can continue to play as I would with my own money.

I do use the best paytable available to play the "free play" through, in an attempt to maximize the return.

..... bl

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "cheryl10jqka" <cheryl.mohme@...> wrote:
>
> Is there any math or calculated strategy for playing the free play that differs from playing your own cash?

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[vpFREE] The Non Sequitur of Progressives

 

There's been a lot of talk about break-even on progressives, and one might logically assume that if one played at break-even, one would in fact break-even. Turns out this is a non sequitur.

The point at which the Jackpot perfectly equals the amount you should on average lose to get it, does indeed signal a passing of 100% return (if the machines were non-progressive & there was nothing else adding to it). Today, that's obviously a gross oversimplification of all the elements involved.

1. Cash back on a slot card will reduce the BE point.

2. If you sit down and play at exactly 100%, the meter will progress from there. Which means on a progressive, break-even is a WIN--equal to the amount of meter-rise on the Jackpot you are playing for. (This is also an oversimplification and assumes that once you sit down you will play until the JP hits).

3. In today's environment of monthly mailers, tournament invites, multiple point days, giveaways, drawings, etc...Breaking even (on your machine play) can be a huge edge.

I frequently play in casinos where one engages in play on slightly negative machines for all the perks it generates. Progressive play should be considered for this purpose. A casino where one frequently plays 99.3% games might have an up progressive at 99.6% that even though it wasn't yet at BE/100% would still be better than the normal fare.

In summary BE (Break-Even) is not really "break even" and has to be calculated on a case by case basis on every progressive in every casino separately, based on local and variable factors.

Almost any level of simplification where progressive are concerned will result in an inaccurate rating of their true return. This could cause you to miss good opportunities if you underestimate, or even worse play without an edge if you overestimate.

Underestimation is more common on single meters.
Overestimation is more common on multi-meters.

Both are possible on either type of machine. I can tell you one absolute truth, if you apply non-progressive logic and math to progressives you will never come up with an accurate number. They do not follow the same rules. The math is different.

~FK

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Re: [vpFREE] "Picking Up" Free Play

 

Take the money and RUN!

Subject: [vpFREE] "Picking Up" Free Play

> I'm curious, how do most of you go about "picking up" your free play?
>
> More specifically, do you play until either you hit something big or
> you run out of credits? (i.e., take a pot shot because it's house
> money.)
>
> Or, do you just play the minimum number of hands until you can cash
> out?? (i.e., take the money and run.)
>

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