[vpFREE] Class III Now at Wind Creek Casino in Alabama?

 

Someone told me that the Wind Creek Casino, a Native American casino in Altmore Alabama, now has six video poker machines that appear to be Class III. They are 5c/10c/25c 3/5 plays with autohold that can be changed. There's no genie or match card that changes your holds and the deal/draw appear to be random. They look like regular IGT/Action Gaming multiline machines according to the screen shot I saw.

If anyone can confirm that these machines are Class III, I will ask that this casino be added to the vpFREE2.com database.

Thanks!

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Fw: [vpFREE] Re: Illegality, immorality and cheating--#2

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, K/J Haka <kjhaka@...> wrote:
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> Here's another one up for debate--
> is what he did illegal, immoral and/or cheating??
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> http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/the-turnstile/phil-ivey-british-casino-embroiled-dispute-over-payment-032520482.html
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Interesting article. I'm not entirely sure yet whether I find it illegal, unethical, and/or cheating, but I intuitively think that how I feel about it would have to factor in that Ivey and his companion had to take an active role in making this possible. Namely, they had to request that the 8s and 9s be turned 180 degrees as well as request that the casino re-use the cards that would have normally been trashed. Also, since they had to assume the casino would not honor their requests if they told the casino why they wanted the cards turned and the cards brought back into play, they misrepresented themselves by saying it was because of superstition. I feel this does make it a different case than when players just happened to notice that the decks were not pre-shuffled correctly in AC. I'm still not sure how that affects my view of the Ivey case, but I definitely think it should come into consideration.

One thing I find fun is speculating on exactly what the casino was thinking. While it is easy (and probably popular on this forum) to just assume the casinos made a boneheaded mistake in honoring those requests, wouldn't it be funny if the casino was working an angle on Ivey while he was working an angle on them?

Obviously the casino found the requests suspicious, or they wouldn't have denied payment. What if a casino suit had decided that they were 100% positive that the gaming laws in London would allow them to get away with not paying Ivey if he won? Then they could have decided that if Ivey had a bad run, they could make millions, while if he won, they wouldn't have to pay him. In that case, they might have decided to honor the requests because they would be on a freeroll for millions.

There's certainly no reason to assume that is the case, but it makes for an interesting story at least.

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[vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 14 MAY 2013

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, vpFREE Administrator <vpfree3355@...> wrote:
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> Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 14 MAY 2013
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> "It's the Casino's Choice"
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A couple of comments:

Any experienced VP player should know to pause and verify that all the cards are held when dealt a "big" pat hand. This is just common sense.

***"Fortunately for Sarah, the casino paid her off. They realized that no player would intentionally make any other play than to hold all five cards."***

I don't know about that. At least once I have actually witnessed a novice Quick Quads player who didn't understand the game hold trips alone with a dealt QQ. When you see this sort of mistake, it makes you wonder why casinos ever worry about offering good pay tables.

EE

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Who The Real Sicko Gamblers Are

Oh, I understand. It's OK for you to personally attack Bob Dancer
repeatedly, but it's not OK for someone to disagree with you.
They aren't "lies", they are opinions.


On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:32 PM, rob.singer1111@yahoo.com <
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> This forum should not be used for lies and personal attacks against me or
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> Thank you.
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> "Bob Dancer" wrote:
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> I assume the person you are describing in these posts
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[vpFREE] Amazing Happenings

 

Hi Gang:
After a couple of barren months, Hedy and I continued our recent run of
good fortune at Harrah's AC this past weekend with some significant hits on
both Friday and Saturday. But, of even more interest was a couple of things
we witnessed that we've never seen in our 14-year video poker careers.
First of all, I got the weekend off to a rousing start Friday morning when
I was dealt the K-10-J-A of hearts and completed the royal by drawing the
queen for a $4,000 hit while playing $1 9/6 DDB. Later, the same machine
dealt me 4's with a kicker for $800, plus 3's and 2's for $400 along with five
other $250 quads.
A friend, who is also a long-time member of several VP boards, was sitting
nearby and, about a half hour after I hit my royal, I heard her yell,
"Yes!" I walked over and saw on her screen another royal in hearts, this one at
the $2 level, a nice $8,000 score. I was amazed, however, when she told me
that she had been dealt a king-high straight flush and had broken it up to
go for the royal!
"Wow, that was gutsy," I told her. "I don't think that's what the book
says, though."
"I know," she said, "but I was nearing the end of my session, I was getting
tired and figured, what the heck, I'll go for it." She did. And she got
the ace. So, good for her!
Later that night, a young man was playing the same machine on which I got
the royal and the three dealt bonus quads, when he held two aces and drew
the other two plus a kicker for a $4,000 hit. He got his handpay, then ON THE
NEXT HAND he was dealt three aces and drew the fourth plus a kicker for
another $4,000 score! Back-to-back quad aces with kickers for $8K.
Unbelievable!
Like I said, Hedy and I have been playing video poker for a lot of years
but we've never seen two things like that happen, let alone in the same day.
Like Jean Scott says, though, if you play this game long enough you're
going to see just about everything.
Regards,
CoachVee & Hedy



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[vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 14 MAY 2013

 

Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 14 MAY 2013

"It's the Casino's Choice"

http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/bob_dancer/2013/0514.cfm

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[vpFREE] Re: Illegality, immorality and cheating

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Tim Tucker <smellypuppy@...> wrote:
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> The machine is not being forced to pay them. They are not making the machine do anything outside of what it is programmed to do. Deceiving an employee is not analogous.
>

Instead of saying:
"They forced a machine to pay them a win on a wager THEY NEVER MADE."

if you prefer, I could say:
"Because of their actions the machine could respond in no other way than to pay them a win on a wager they never made."

I just felt it was easier to say it the first way, and I believe it is an appropriate word choice given the following definitions from merriam-webster.com

force - 3: to make or cause especially through natural or logical necessity

logic - 1 c: interrelation or sequence of facts or events when seen as inevitable or predictable

necessary - 1 c: determined or produced by the previous condition of things

Which points out that the main difference in what they did and deceiving an employee is that no matter how they attempt to trick the employee, the employee would still have a choice not to pay them, whereas the machine can not do anything else. In my mind that makes what they did an even greater manipulation.

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[vpFREE] XVP -- Preakness Preview

 

Hi Gang:
The second jewel of racing's Triple Crown, the Preakness Stakes, will take
place this Saturday at Pimlico Race Course in Baltimore.
For those interested, my latest Racing Blog, entitled "A Preakness
Preview," is now available on my web site _www.tomthebombpicks.com_
(http://www.tomthebombpicks.com/) . You can use the link below to access it. Enjoy!
Regards,
CoachVee




http://tomthebombpicks.com/uploads/Racing_Blog__Vol._2__No._4_..._5-14-13.pd
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RE: [vpFREE] Re: Illegality, immorality and cheating

 

The machine is not being forced to pay them. They are not making the machine do anything outside of what it is programmed to do. Deceiving an employee is not analogous.

I want to thank everyone for weighing in on this issue. Though I have presented points as if this is a clear cut issue, in reality I have wrestled with what my morality would be if I were in this situation (I doubt I will be in a situation like this) and reading everyone's discussion of this situation has been beneficial.

To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: seedub49@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 03:59:00 +0000
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Illegality, immorality and cheating

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Tim Tucker <smellypuppy@...> wrote:

>.Are they cheating? I do not see how that can be the case.

They forced a machine to pay them a win on a wager THEY NEVER MADE. I admit I don't think the machine rules explicitly say that you must place a bet to be paid on a winning hand (maybe it does, I haven't read the help screen in a long time). But I believe an implicit rule in every game of chance is that you won't get paid if you don't place a bet. I cant think of any game where this is not the case. Even in cases of freerolls and freeplay, there are explicit rules to explain how those promotions differ from the implied rule that you will not be paid if you don't make a wager.

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Re: [vpFREE] WHEEL OF FORTUNE/CAESARS TV CONTEST

 

First, you swipe your TR card at any TR property at the WOF swiping station.  You get one free puzzle per day and one for every 25 tier credits you accumulate.  During the show starting yesterday and running through Friday next week, they post 2 puzzles per show.  If your puzzle matches, you win $50,000 and a trip for two to Vegas in August.  You have to mail in your puzzle.  Then, in August, one of the 20 winners of $50,000 will win $1 million.
 
bcnusoon

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Subject: [vpFREE] WHEEL OF FORTUNE/CAESARS TV CONTEST
To: acvpp@yahoogroups.com
Cc: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2013, 7:19 AM

 

Can someone explain this promotion and how you win 50 thousand dollars?

Ralph Gary

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[vpFREE] Scot Krause's Real Deals - 14 MAY 2013

 

Scot Krause's Real Deals - 14 MAY 2013

Las Vegas Casino bargains and promotions

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[vpFREE] WHEEL OF FORTUNE/CAESARS TV CONTEST

 

Can someone explain this promotion and how you win 50 thousand dollars?

Ralph Gary

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