Fw: [vpFREE] Re: Illegality, immorality and cheating--#2

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, K/J Haka <kjhaka@...> wrote:
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> Here's another one up for debate--
> is what he did illegal, immoral and/or cheating??
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> http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/the-turnstile/phil-ivey-british-casino-embroiled-dispute-over-payment-032520482.html
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Interesting article. I'm not entirely sure yet whether I find it illegal, unethical, and/or cheating, but I intuitively think that how I feel about it would have to factor in that Ivey and his companion had to take an active role in making this possible. Namely, they had to request that the 8s and 9s be turned 180 degrees as well as request that the casino re-use the cards that would have normally been trashed. Also, since they had to assume the casino would not honor their requests if they told the casino why they wanted the cards turned and the cards brought back into play, they misrepresented themselves by saying it was because of superstition. I feel this does make it a different case than when players just happened to notice that the decks were not pre-shuffled correctly in AC. I'm still not sure how that affects my view of the Ivey case, but I definitely think it should come into consideration.

One thing I find fun is speculating on exactly what the casino was thinking. While it is easy (and probably popular on this forum) to just assume the casinos made a boneheaded mistake in honoring those requests, wouldn't it be funny if the casino was working an angle on Ivey while he was working an angle on them?

Obviously the casino found the requests suspicious, or they wouldn't have denied payment. What if a casino suit had decided that they were 100% positive that the gaming laws in London would allow them to get away with not paying Ivey if he won? Then they could have decided that if Ivey had a bad run, they could make millions, while if he won, they wouldn't have to pay him. In that case, they might have decided to honor the requests because they would be on a freeroll for millions.

There's certainly no reason to assume that is the case, but it makes for an interesting story at least.

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