You really have to check out the wizards analysis. Yeah, the average bonus
times multiplier , be it forward or back is 4.01 but...
a. dealt super bonus on dealt royal if multiplier ( this is rare, and adds
little to the total payback ).
b. forward multiplier
c. backward ( on draw ) multiplier
d. additive multiplier ( its possible to get 10X on draw + 10X on deal = 20
X for a hand ).
thus wizard is absolutely correct in stating you get a .5 ( on average )
better EV for the seven coin bet over just 5 coins.
...best Tom
http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/tables/double-super-times-pay/
----- Original Message -----
From: "billchute2" <billchute2@yahoo.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:23 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] super times poker
> On the WizardofOdds web site;
>
> On the super times pay page last updated Feb 23, 2009, the avg
> multiplyer is stated to be 4.05.
>
> On the double super times page last update Nov 10, 2010, the avg
> multiplyer nis stated to be 4.01.
>
> If the avg multiplyer is in fact 4.01, I calculate no advantage to
> playing 7 coins over 6 coins or even over 5 coins.
>
> Is the 4.01 a misprint (it appears twice) or am I doing something wrong
> with my math?
>
> Bill C.
>
>
Re: [vpFREE] super times poker
[vpFREE] Re: Highway Hi-Lites (A brief TR)
Yeah,Den you're right. I moved the decimal point a little too far. Sorry.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Don the Dentist" <dds6@...> wrote:
>
> Just ran the numbers on WinPoker and came up with 100.78%
>
> Don the Dentist
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <haaljo@> wrote:
> >
> > How does a $2,200 Royal on a 25 cent machine on 7/5 BP get you 106%?
>
[vpFREE] Re: Highway Hi-Lites (A brief TR)
Just ran the numbers on WinPoker and came up with 100.78%
Don the Dentist
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <haaljo@...> wrote:
>
> How does a $2,200 Royal on a 25 cent machine on 7/5 BP get you 106%?
[vpFREE] Re: Highway Hi-Lites (A brief TR)
How does a $2,200 Royal on a 25 cent machine on 7/5 BP get you 106%?
Fun read. Gonna have to get off the interstate someday and stop at one of the boulder highway joints. Will bring your TR.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Richard Long <carlboy101@...> wrote:
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: jaywilly240 <wha724@...>
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 3:52 PM
> Subject: [vpFREE] Highway Hi-Lites (A brief TR)
>
>
>
> Â
>
> Came home from San Diego via Vegas last week. Stayed 3 nites at Boulder Station. Nothing really great about Boulder Station, but nothing really wrong with it either. It's like the Sears stores of my youth. You can get what you want at a reasonable price. Full pay video poker with lots of variety, and (this trip anyway) always an open seat or two.>
Re: [vpFREE] Highway Hi-Lites (A brief TR)
Congratulations on the royal hit and you provided a very nice abrreviated trip report.
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From: jaywilly240 <wha724@comcast.net>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 3:52 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Highway Hi-Lites (A brief TR)
Came home from San Diego via Vegas last week. Stayed 3 nites at Boulder Station. Nothing really great about Boulder Station, but nothing really wrong with it either. It's like the Sears stores of my youth. You can get what you want at a reasonable price. Full pay video poker with lots of variety, and (this trip anyway) always an open seat or two.
There's also $3 craps with 10X odds (a 99.82% return -- tho we play 3X odds at 99.66 in deference to our less than robust dice bankroll). Double deck BJ, $5 minimum with a 99.6% return using basic strategy.
Food options include the usual Stations combo: a decent steakhouse, and adequate Mexican and Italian restaurants. A cheap breakfast buffet. And now, a stack of Stations mail reminds us, a bigger faster comp/cb system. In short, a pretty fair deal.
Soon after arrival I tour the bars, checking the quarter progressives. I find a $2120 play at the Kixx bar. The best game available on these machines seems to be 7/5 BP. I use rule of thumb (and my actual thumb, and several fingers) to determine that this is about a 105% play. (When I get home, Winpoker tells me it's closer to 106%). So I play for a couple of hours (the joint is pretty empty) and never get a hint of a Royal draw.Some quads allow me to cash in up $50. Meanwhile, the wife wins $960 at the "up to 99.8%" machines near the BJ tables. (only one game -- TB+ -- is at 99.8, but NSUD and SDB are close enough for her). She demands I get in on the fun, and soon I'm up $200 ( some quads at SDB, including Jacks).
Over the next couple of days I return frequently to the Kixx bar. Still no royal draws of note, but some well-timed quads and a straight flush keep me playing without too much bankroll leakage.
Time marches on with pretty much the usual results. The wife and I win some, lose some. Up and down at dice, the same at BJ (except for the wife's 3 hour +$250 session). A quick trip to Fiesta henderson is uneventful. Between us we are still slightly ahead at VP.
After MNF (and the destruction of an ill-advised parlay), I head for Kixx. By now the progressive is approaching $2200. Not approaching very quickly because of an obvious lack of action.I insert a twenty and an $8.75 ticket I find in my wallet. I play and play and play. Not much happens. I'm at the $10 mark when I'm dealt the 10-J-Q of diamonds. This is maybe only the fourth or fifth 3-card Royal draw I've seen in 3 days. I hit the Royal so quickly it startles me. The machine locks. A man with a clipboard comes a and pays me: $2196.25.
Excellent.
The wife happens by and asks me why I seem so cheerful. "Are you drunk?' she asks. "No, but I will be soon, "I reply, brandishing the W-2G. She is pleased. We celebrate with many margaritas, and, the next morning, head home winners. ( Yes, a $2500 profit is a significant deal for us quarter-half players).
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[vpFREE] Highway Hi-Lites (A brief TR)
Came home from San Diego via Vegas last week. Stayed 3 nites at Boulder Station. Nothing really great about Boulder Station, but nothing really wrong with it either. It's like the Sears stores of my youth. You can get what you want at a reasonable price. Full pay video poker with lots of variety, and (this trip anyway) always an open seat or two.
There's also $3 craps with 10X odds (a 99.82% return -- tho we play 3X odds at 99.66 in deference to our less than robust dice bankroll). Double deck BJ, $5 minimum with a 99.6% return using basic strategy.
Food options include the usual Stations combo: a decent steakhouse, and adequate Mexican and Italian restaurants. A cheap breakfast buffet. And now, a stack of Stations mail reminds us, a bigger faster comp/cb system. In short, a pretty fair deal.
Soon after arrival I tour the bars, checking the quarter progressives. I find a $2120 play at the Kixx bar. The best game available on these machines seems to be 7/5 BP. I use rule of thumb (and my actual thumb, and several fingers) to determine that this is about a 105% play. (When I get home, Winpoker tells me it's closer to 106%). So I play for a couple of hours (the joint is pretty empty) and never get a hint of a Royal draw.Some quads allow me to cash in up $50. Meanwhile, the wife wins $960 at the "up to 99.8%" machines near the BJ tables. (only one game -- TB+ -- is at 99.8, but NSUD and SDB are close enough for her). She demands I get in on the fun, and soon I'm up $200 ( some quads at SDB, including Jacks).
Over the next couple of days I return frequently to the Kixx bar. Still no royal draws of note, but some well-timed quads and a straight flush keep me playing without too much bankroll leakage.
Time marches on with pretty much the usual results. The wife and I win some, lose some. Up and down at dice, the same at BJ (except for the wife's 3 hour +$250 session). A quick trip to Fiesta henderson is uneventful. Between us we are still slightly ahead at VP.
After MNF (and the destruction of an ill-advised parlay), I head for Kixx. By now the progressive is approaching $2200. Not approaching very quickly because of an obvious lack of action.I insert a twenty and an $8.75 ticket I find in my wallet. I play and play and play. Not much happens. I'm at the $10 mark when I'm dealt the 10-J-Q of diamonds. This is maybe only the fourth or fifth 3-card Royal draw I've seen in 3 days. I hit the Royal so quickly it startles me. The machine locks. A man with a clipboard comes a and pays me: $2196.25.
Excellent.
The wife happens by and asks me why I seem so cheerful. "Are you drunk?' she asks. "No, but I will be soon, "I reply, brandishing the W-2G. She is pleased. We celebrate with many margaritas, and, the next morning, head home winners. ( Yes, a $2500 profit is a significant deal for us quarter-half players).
RE: [vpFREE] super times poker
No. All of multiplier info is accurate and stated within the help screens of
the game. There is a special rule though for Double Super Times Pay that
very rarely occurs (On average slightly more often than once every 9.75
million deals.). On a dealt royal if you were due to get a deal multiplier,
then both the deal and draw multiplier automatically become 10x!
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpFREE@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
billchute2
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 12:24 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] super times poker
On the WizardofOdds web site;
On the super times pay page last updated Feb 23, 2009, the avg
multiplyer is stated to be 4.05.
On the double super times page last update Nov 10, 2010, the avg
multiplyer nis stated to be 4.01.
If the avg multiplyer is in fact 4.01, I calculate no advantage to
playing 7 coins over 6 coins or even over 5 coins.
Is the 4.01 a misprint (it appears twice) or am I doing something wrong
with my math?
Bill C.
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[vpFREE] super times poker
On the WizardofOdds web site;
On the super times pay page last updated Feb 23, 2009, the avg
multiplyer is stated to be 4.05.
On the double super times page last update Nov 10, 2010, the avg
multiplyer nis stated to be 4.01.
If the avg multiplyer is in fact 4.01, I calculate no advantage to
playing 7 coins over 6 coins or even over 5 coins.
Is the 4.01 a misprint (it appears twice) or am I doing something wrong
with my math?
Bill C.
[vpFREE] Re: Pick'em Poker
Jason, most vp games have a Royal Flush payback of about 2% and about .5% for the straight flush.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jason Pawloski <jpawloski@...> wrote:
>
> The combined payback contribution for the RF and SF in Pick 'em is less
> than 1%, compared to about 2.5% for the Royal alone in standard VP games.
>
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 9:24 AM, nenapapa2001 <nenapapa2001@...>wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Does anyone still play pick'em poker anymore? It looks like it would be
> > hard to make any money due the frequencey of the Royal & Straight Flush.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
[vpFREE] LVA Question of the Day - 19 DEC 2011
LVA Question of the Day - 19 DEC 2011
Q: What Food Network chefs have places to eat
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