[vpFREE] Re: South Point 2x promotions

 

From: 'Queen of Comps'

> Is there a limit to how many points they will multiply?

Their Presidents Day 2x point ad says "no point limits". I believe that's always the case there for multiplier days.

P.S. Someone reported to vpFREE2 today that the 9/6 DDB Quick Quads have now been downgraded. Bob Dancer told us this would happen sometime before Presidents Day.

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[vpFREE] Re: Pala $1 NSU prog

 

JD, I could take a stab at answering your puzzle, but instead I hope that Bob Dancer turns this into one of his weekly LVA articles.

From: john.douglass@yahoo.com
Thanks, VVPP! You are right about non wild card games surpassing wildcard games on progressives; thanks for pointing that out. I was not aware of that, and it wasn't initially intuitive to me - I figured the rise in EV was the same for all games. Buzzz, wrong! Lol

But looking at the royal cycles as the meter rises, it becomes apparent that a wildcard game like deuces wild has a longer royal cycle than a non wildcard game. This must be due to holding the deuces and holding for wild royals etc rather than just natural royals.

For bonus deluxe, the crossover point is 5,488 coins, and the royal cycle is only about 34,347 hands, while for NSU it is about 39,952 hands.

For the machines in question, the royal does get above 5,488 at times, in fact it was at over 5,700 last week when someone hit it (not sure which game they were playing at the time). So bonus deluxe is a possibility at times, although somewhat rarely.

For jacks or better, the crossover point is almost 1,000 higher at 6,461 coins, with a royal cycle at about 33,134 hands, while for NSU it is about 38,706 hands. I heard from a slot person that the highest he's ever seen the royal is 7,000 coins, so it would be rare that the EV for 9/6 jacks surpasses NSU, and it still wouldn't be a higher EV than bonus deluxe.

Advanced Puzzle: why does the EV for 9/6 jacks or better rise faster than 9/6 bonus deluxe for the same increase in the royal flush?

For example, at 6,000 coins, the EV of 9/6 jacks is 100.6513%, an increase of 1.1074% from the reset at 4,000 coins and 99.5439%. For bonus deluxe, at 4,000 coins reset the EV is 99.6417%, while at 6,000 coins the EV is 100.7374%, an increase of 1.0957%.

[Hint/Part 2: why is the royal cycle lower for jacks or better than bonus deluxe, when the only difference is the payout on quads and two pair?]
[Hint hint/part 3: do strategy differences perhaps affect the royal cycle?]

JD

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[vpFREE] South Point 2x promotions

 

Is there a limit to how many points they will multiply?

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[vpFREE] Re: CASH YOUR PAYCHECK HERE

 

Mickey wrote: "Forget the royal....its a longshot. The money is in the quads. Besides, the play'll probably get squashed before you hit a royal."

That's what I've been saying but these people don't believe me. Play to optimize the return of the quads and less.

The Royal is only around 2% or so of the return, that's how the smart gamblers think of it. That's how the casinos should think of it also, but many don't, instead they sweat the dollar amount of the royal when they have to pay it, forgeting the average cost the player must pay to hit that royal. That's how a well run casino makes money, pay off the royals and let the players think they're winners, and just sit back and count the vig. Instead of wasting time sweating royals and getting involved in costly disputes, casinos should concentrate on the vig, that's where they make their money.

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[vpFREE] Re: Players Getting Booted the Suncoast Way

 

The silver lining behind the American Coin scandal is the control board, which took heavy criticism because of the scandal, realized their own shortcomings. They instituted stiffer policies, procedures and regulations on the machines. They even went so far as to order the retesting of every machine in the state, about 150,000 at the time, to insure their integrity.

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[vpFREE] Re: Players Getting Booted the Suncoast Way

 

Psychophysical, I don't think blind trust is the answer. But in the end you have to put your faith in someone. What jurisdictions should one trust? I once heard about a Draw Till U Win (103.2%) game in that same bar, Carlos and Charlie's that Joran van der Sloot hung out in down in Aruba. Do I trust Aruba? No. I heard of the same game being in a casino in Bolivia. Do I trust Bolivia? No.

I think the citizens of the state of Nevada, their political leaders, and their employee's on the control board and the gaming commission have a vested interest in keeping the gaming fair and honest. They have to protect their economy and tax base. Cheating scandals don't exactly bring in customers. If I even suspect I'm being cheated in a poker game I don't go back to that game. People are not going to flock to Nevada if they think they are being cheated.

Early on in my machine playing career, every time I took an extended losing streak I thought I was being cheated. But the end results were always the same. I always came out ahead. In twenty years I've still never had a losing year. I started seeing the losing streaks as just a cost of doing business. When your sample space gets big enough you will see all kinds of whacky stuff. Five cycles between royals. Ten cycles between quads. On the flip side I've hit 3 royals in four hours, six quads in 200 hands.

My first reaction to a losing streak is to become agitated. And I will stay agitated to a point. If the losing steak keeps up I eventually start laughing at myself. But then I'm always playing within the means of my bankroll. Surviving the losing streaks is routine to me. As long as I trust the jurisdiction I'm gambling in I never suspect that I'm being cheated. It's just the cost of doing business.

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