Re: [vpFREE] Tropicana

 

9/5 50 play nickel jacks? Does it allow you to bet less lines at full bet? If so I may be down to play that pay table if the comps are flowing in.

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On Mar 7, 2013, at 3:09 PM, James Thompson <jamesgthompson@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I got cold emailed from a host there and I'm going to fly in for a slot tourney on April 4th. Sounds like they are very aggressive looking for new players.
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Re: [vpFREE] Tropicana

 

My experience with the "new" Tropicana is somewhat similar. A host I never knew or talked to who said he came over from the Palms, invited me in out of the blue with $150 in food, $200 in freeplay, and 2 tickets to the Mob Experience show--which I agree was entertaining--but no suite. I played the fp thru once and made $140 with no other play. To this day I still receive two night offers with $50 in freeplay but have never returned.

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They seem very generous in free play. I played a year ago after an independent agent set me up with suite, $200 free play, free meals, and tix to very good Mob Experience. I played 2 days several hours on 5 play $1 losing about $4000, but actually the play wasnt all that long. Started getting mailers for $100 a week free play a couple months later, then it went to $60 a week, then back to $100, and for u known reasons back to $200 a week this month. We have just picked up the free play since, and it is probably about equalling my loss. One of the weeks is usually a gas card instead of free play.

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RE: [vpFREE] Tropicana

I got cold emailed from a host there and I'm going to fly in for a slot tourney on April 4th. Sounds like they are very aggressive looking for new players.

To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: misscraps@aol.com
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 08:32:27 -0800
Subject: [vpFREE] Tropicana




























They seem very generous in free play. I played a year ago after an independent agent set me up with suite, $200 free play, free meals, and tix to very good Mob Experience. I played 2 days several hours on 5 play $1 losing about $4000, but actually the play wasnt all that long. Started getting mailers for $100 a week free play a couple months later, then it went to $60 a week, then back to $100, and for u known reasons back to $200 a week this month. We have just picked up the free play since, and it is probably about equalling my loss. One of the weeks is usually a gas card instead of free play.



No good vp tables I don't think. There is 50 play 9/5 JB in nickels, but I don't think there is any 9/6 JB though I could be wrong. They are also sending us lots of I invites for slot tournaments, we haven't gone.



They have a very good steakhouse and very good Italian restaurant I recommend. Also the Mob and other shows are good and they are adding new shows that come in for their eater like Chicago.


















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[vpFREE] Re: ADVANTAGE SLOTS

 



For an uncapped progressive, you need to know something about the probability of each progressive hitting. If you don't know that, the jackpot could be 10 times it's starting value and still not be a good play.

There is an ongoing thread on wizard of vegas about quick hits (it started as a thread on must hit by slots and evolved). There is an argument in it that the probabilities of these machines are known since they are published online by the manufacturer. I am still skeptical about these numbers. However if you take them at face value, the lowest one has to be 4 times it's starting value to be a good play, while the third one up has to be more than 10 times it's starting value to be a good play. This type of thing shows it's very important to know the contribution of each jackpot to the equity of the machine.

There are many uncapped progressives where you would have to collect data to know the relevant information.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory Bart Jr." <broncosaurus@...> wrote:
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> Ah, I see, thanks.
>
> Do you have any insight on trying to figure the "non-must pay machines"? I
> see far more of these around. They will have say 5 progressives, starting
> with small frequent jackpots of say $10 at reset and continuing on
> up to $1000 or whatever. Or, they may only have two. Might I assume in
> the latter case if both the meters are say 70% over reset that's
> interesting?
>
> On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 3:23 PM, vpplayer88 <vpplayer88@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > One of the key unknowns in doing the math for these machines is what the
> > house edge is. We have data on the overall house edge on all penny machines
> > for many casinos. It's usually 10 or 11 percent or something in that range.
> > But that's not the relevant variable for doing math on the machine. That is
> > the total return for machines which includes the return that comes from
> > players winning jackpots. You have to adjust the house edge upward when
> > doing the math for hit points on jackpots because you are interested in the
> > return of the base game, if the same line pays were awarded but there was
> > no jackpot. For a major with a 2% meter rise resets at 250 must hit by 500,
> > the adjustment is about 1%.
> >
> > I also believe the returns on the machines are probably a bit lower than
> > penny slots as a whole because there are some penny slots where you have to
> > play max to earn a higher return, and that should skew the results for
> > machines where playing max doesn't yield a higher return.
> >
> > My estimate for a major minor 25-50 and 250-500 at my local casino with 2%
> > meters on each is about 15% house edge ex jackpot.
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory Bart Jr." wrote:
> > >
> > > The comment about adjusting for the jackpot's part of the total return.
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 3:38 PM, vpplayer88 wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The formatting of your question didn't work to well on my browser so
> > I'm
> > > > not sure what you are asking about. Can you clarify?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory Bart Jr." wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 6:48 PM, vpplayer88 wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > **
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The math looks correct but I have a method that I like better for
> > these
> > > > > > calculations. One upside is that the math can be done is a few
> > seconds
> > > > in
> > > > > > your head.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The first thing to recognize is that you know the benefits of
> > playing
> > > > the
> > > > > > machine, the mystery jackpot you are chasing. The thing you have to
> > > > > > estimate is the cost of hitting it or expected cost to be precise.
> > If
> > > > > > expected costs are less than expected benefits, it's a play.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How do I estimate the cost? Well first I estimate the cost of
> > moving
> > > > the
> > > > > > meter a penny. If the meter rises one penny per two dollars, and
> > the ex
> > > > > > jackpot house edge is 15%, then it costs 30 cents to move the
> > meter a
> > > > > > penny, 30 dollars to move the meter a dollar.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now what is the cost to hit? Well take 30 and multiply by half the
> > > > number
> > > > > > of dollars left. If it's a 470 major jackpot which hits by 500 then
> > > > it's
> > > > > > 30*15=450 expected cost. It's a
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Could you elaborate a little more on this:
> > > > >
> > > > > > play but barely. Of course you have to adjust for how much the
> > jackpots
> > > > > > take out of the machines total return, but that is a little more
> > > > difficult
> > > > > > to do on the spot.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Why half way? The expected value of a uniform distribution is just
> > it's
> > > > > > mid point.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is a very easy method to use if you want to think about how
> > > > changes
> > > > > > in meter rise can make plays that seem very good actually very bad.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here's the formula I used for Quick Strike, another form of a
> > mystery
> > > > > > progressive. I didn't have the luxury of going to the game rules
> > > > screen to
> > > > > > get the overall payback percentage of the game like the folks in
> > > > Australia
> > > > > > get to do. So I had to make an estimate of the payback to give
> > myself a
> > > > > > starting number.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > QUICK STRIKE-ANALYZING THE GAME
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1. Assing an overall payback value of 90% (with a margin of
> > error
> > > > of
> > > > > > plus 4% or minus 3%).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2. Determine what the average mini jackpot value is by adding
> > the
> > > > > > lower parameter, $25, to the upper parameter, $50, then dividing
> > by 2.
> > > > > > Average mini jackpot value is $37.50.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 3. Determine the wager necessary to drive the meter from $25 to
> > > > > > $37.50. It's a 1% meter so 12.5 X 100 equals $1250.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 4. Determine how much payback the Mini represents. 37.5/1250 =
> > 3%.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 5. Discount 3% from the overall payback. That leaves 87%.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Note: The Major jackpot represents 1% of the payback.
> > Two-thirds
> > > > of it
> > > > > > is in the $250 it starts at, and one-third is in the meter. You
> > can't
> > > > say
> > > > > > you have total equity in the Major meter because you will cash out
> > > > when you
> > > > > > hit the Mini. But this is offset by the extra money in the major
> > meter.
> > > > > > I'll deal with plays on the major meter at another time.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 6. Determine, with a playable number of $48, the average
> > payoff for
> > > > > > betting the luck coin by adding the lower parameter, $48, to the
> > upper
> > > > > > parameter, $50, and dividing by 2. Average value is $49.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 7. Determine how much wager it takes to move the meter to $49.
> > > > It's a
> > > > > > 1% meter so $100 in action does the trick.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 8. Determine how much payback $49 represents. 49/100 = 49%.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 9. Add 49% to 87%.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A playable number of $48 comes in at 136%
> > > > > > > > A playable number of $47.50 comes in at 126%
> > > > > > > > A playable number of $47 comes in at 119%
> > > > > > > > A playable number of $46.50 comes in at 114%
> > > > > > > > A playable number of $46.00 comes in at 111%
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Playing at $48 or higher virtually guarantee's no losing plays.
> > > > > > Playing at $46 will show a profit in the long term, but you will
> > have
> > > > many
> > > > > > losing plays.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Next post....
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[vpFREE] Re: ADVANTAGE SLOTS

 

Ah, the magic word "assume" = Ass out of U amd Me

I would say if they are at over 95% it may be interesting. Search in this group "Quick Strike" thread of a few months ago.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory Bart Jr." <broncosaurus@...> wrote:
>
> Ah, I see, thanks.
>
> Do you have any insight on trying to figure the "non-must pay machines"? I
> see far more of these around. They will have say 5 progressives, starting
> with small frequent jackpots of say $10 at reset and continuing on
> up to $1000 or whatever. Or, they may only have two. Might I assume in
> the latter case if both the meters are say 70% over reset that's
> interesting?
>
> On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 3:23 PM, vpplayer88 <vpplayer88@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > One of the key unknowns in doing the math for these machines is what the
> > house edge is. We have data on the overall house edge on all penny machines
> > for many casinos. It's usually 10 or 11 percent or something in that range.
> > But that's not the relevant variable for doing math on the machine. That is
> > the total return for machines which includes the return that comes from
> > players winning jackpots. You have to adjust the house edge upward when
> > doing the math for hit points on jackpots because you are interested in the
> > return of the base game, if the same line pays were awarded but there was
> > no jackpot. For a major with a 2% meter rise resets at 250 must hit by 500,
> > the adjustment is about 1%.
> >
> > I also believe the returns on the machines are probably a bit lower than
> > penny slots as a whole because there are some penny slots where you have to
> > play max to earn a higher return, and that should skew the results for
> > machines where playing max doesn't yield a higher return.
> >
> > My estimate for a major minor 25-50 and 250-500 at my local casino with 2%
> > meters on each is about 15% house edge ex jackpot.
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory Bart Jr." wrote:
> > >
> > > The comment about adjusting for the jackpot's part of the total return.
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 3:38 PM, vpplayer88 wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The formatting of your question didn't work to well on my browser so
> > I'm
> > > > not sure what you are asking about. Can you clarify?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory Bart Jr." wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 6:48 PM, vpplayer88 wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > **
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The math looks correct but I have a method that I like better for
> > these
> > > > > > calculations. One upside is that the math can be done is a few
> > seconds
> > > > in
> > > > > > your head.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The first thing to recognize is that you know the benefits of
> > playing
> > > > the
> > > > > > machine, the mystery jackpot you are chasing. The thing you have to
> > > > > > estimate is the cost of hitting it or expected cost to be precise.
> > If
> > > > > > expected costs are less than expected benefits, it's a play.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How do I estimate the cost? Well first I estimate the cost of
> > moving
> > > > the
> > > > > > meter a penny. If the meter rises one penny per two dollars, and
> > the ex
> > > > > > jackpot house edge is 15%, then it costs 30 cents to move the
> > meter a
> > > > > > penny, 30 dollars to move the meter a dollar.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now what is the cost to hit? Well take 30 and multiply by half the
> > > > number
> > > > > > of dollars left. If it's a 470 major jackpot which hits by 500 then
> > > > it's
> > > > > > 30*15=450 expected cost. It's a
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Could you elaborate a little more on this:
> > > > >
> > > > > > play but barely. Of course you have to adjust for how much the
> > jackpots
> > > > > > take out of the machines total return, but that is a little more
> > > > difficult
> > > > > > to do on the spot.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Why half way? The expected value of a uniform distribution is just
> > it's
> > > > > > mid point.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is a very easy method to use if you want to think about how
> > > > changes
> > > > > > in meter rise can make plays that seem very good actually very bad.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here's the formula I used for Quick Strike, another form of a
> > mystery
> > > > > > progressive. I didn't have the luxury of going to the game rules
> > > > screen to
> > > > > > get the overall payback percentage of the game like the folks in
> > > > Australia
> > > > > > get to do. So I had to make an estimate of the payback to give
> > myself a
> > > > > > starting number.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > QUICK STRIKE-ANALYZING THE GAME
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1. Assing an overall payback value of 90% (with a margin of
> > error
> > > > of
> > > > > > plus 4% or minus 3%).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2. Determine what the average mini jackpot value is by adding
> > the
> > > > > > lower parameter, $25, to the upper parameter, $50, then dividing
> > by 2.
> > > > > > Average mini jackpot value is $37.50.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 3. Determine the wager necessary to drive the meter from $25 to
> > > > > > $37.50. It's a 1% meter so 12.5 X 100 equals $1250.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 4. Determine how much payback the Mini represents. 37.5/1250 =
> > 3%.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 5. Discount 3% from the overall payback. That leaves 87%.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Note: The Major jackpot represents 1% of the payback.
> > Two-thirds
> > > > of it
> > > > > > is in the $250 it starts at, and one-third is in the meter. You
> > can't
> > > > say
> > > > > > you have total equity in the Major meter because you will cash out
> > > > when you
> > > > > > hit the Mini. But this is offset by the extra money in the major
> > meter.
> > > > > > I'll deal with plays on the major meter at another time.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 6. Determine, with a playable number of $48, the average
> > payoff for
> > > > > > betting the luck coin by adding the lower parameter, $48, to the
> > upper
> > > > > > parameter, $50, and dividing by 2. Average value is $49.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 7. Determine how much wager it takes to move the meter to $49.
> > > > It's a
> > > > > > 1% meter so $100 in action does the trick.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 8. Determine how much payback $49 represents. 49/100 = 49%.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 9. Add 49% to 87%.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A playable number of $48 comes in at 136%
> > > > > > > > A playable number of $47.50 comes in at 126%
> > > > > > > > A playable number of $47 comes in at 119%
> > > > > > > > A playable number of $46.50 comes in at 114%
> > > > > > > > A playable number of $46.00 comes in at 111%
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Playing at $48 or higher virtually guarantee's no losing plays.
> > > > > > Playing at $46 will show a profit in the long term, but you will
> > have
> > > > many
> > > > > > losing plays.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Next post....
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[vpFREE] Re: South Point and Aliante question

 

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> I was wondering if anyone knew if there are any multi-line
> 99.54% JOB games at either South Point or Alliante. I
> don't see any multi-line versions for either casino listed
> on VPFree2.

I don't know of any multiline 9/6 JoB at Aliante but vpFREE2 does list that game in 3/5 and 50 play at South Point.

See them here:
http://www.vpfree2.com/casino/south-point-hotel-casino-spa

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[vpFREE] South Point and Aliante question

 

I was wondering if anyone knew if there are any multi-line 99.54% JOB
games at either South Point or Alliante. I don't see any multi-line versions for
either casino listed on VPFree2.

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[vpFREE] Re: Trop LV Buy-a-Card

 

I haven't seen anything quite like that, but many players clubs do let you spend your way to a higher tier these days.
Total Rewards, Mlife, Identity and Club Grazie all let you buy your way up. For example, Mlife gives you Pearl status for $1000 worth of dining, entertainment and lodging purchases.
For more details on spending your way to a higher tier, check out http://wp.me/p2brN5-bn

Take Care,
Mark
markslasvegas.markanduss.comm

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Vince P." <vp_a_gogo@...> wrote:
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> The Tropicana in Las Vegas revised their players club recently. There's a new twist that I don't think I've ever seen before. There are three card levels. You can buy the second card level for $5000 or the third card level for $10,000. And if you already have the second card level, you can buy the third one for $5000 instead of $10,000.
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> See footnote on tier benefits page of their website.
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> http://troplv.com/PlaySubPage.aspx?page=TropPlus
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[vpFREE] Re: New Player Promos.

 

The Cosmo has very easy drink comps.
I've been able to get top shelf martinis comped without a problem.
Drink quality varies a little from bar to bar since each bar has its own specialty. If you want to get a beer while playing VP, go to Book and Stage. If you want a fancier drink while playing VP, go to Bond.

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> What kind of paytables at the bars on Jb and BP? Are drinks comped easiY? Thanks.

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They seem very generous in free play. I played a year ago after an independent agent set me up with suite, $200 free play, free meals, and tix to very good Mob Experience. I played 2 days several hours on 5 play $1 losing about $4000, but actually the play wasnt all that long. Started getting mailers for $100 a week free play a couple months later, then it went to $60 a week, then back to $100, and for u known reasons back to $200 a week this month. We have just picked up the free play since, and it is probably about equalling my loss. One of the weeks is usually a gas card instead of free play.

No good vp tables I don't think. There is 50 play 9/5 JB in nickels, but I don't think there is any 9/6 JB though I could be wrong. They are also sending us lots of I invites for slot tournaments, we haven't gone.

They have a very good steakhouse and very good Italian restaurant I recommend. Also the Mob and other shows are good and they are adding new shows that come in for their eater like Chicago.

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