[vpFREE] Re: Planned Vegas Trip

 

I second a Boyd Property...(Orleans, Sun/GoldCoast, Sams Town)

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Pat. Mccauley" <kypat@...> wrote:
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> First do you have a player card anywhere? If so, contact them to see if you can get a comped room. I have found rooms easy to get for free at most places. CET is , in my opinion hard to get food comps, but you can use your reward credits to pay but they are very stingy with rc's when you play vp. I would suggest Gold Coast or Sun Coast as it is much easier getting food comped there.
>
> Pat McCauley
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> On Feb 1, 2012, at 8:26 PM, "vprog42r" <vprog42r@...> wrote:
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> > I'm hunting for a single casino where I can play VP with the only object to get comped for my room and food. My bankroll is limited, perhaps $3,000. Certainly I don't require an expensive room or 5-star dining! Maybe $5.98/night would be OK, as long as the dogs weren't too loud. Oh, and kibbles and bits are OK, too. In truth, as many casinos as there are in Las Vegas, I really do expect to find a single destination that I can start with, and I'd figure out improvements with time. I'd play slowly at first, but would practice a whole bunch before I go to Vegas. Game? I believe I'd like Jacks or better, or DDB... They have that at the Indian casino not far from my home.
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Re: [vpFREE] Re: gaffed NCL Epic VP & also the Palms & Palms promotions

 

Dave wrote:

>6,000 hands at the Strat this Monday/Tuesday, got one (1) quad.
>That's >10 deviations. VP is rigged at this joint as well :-)

I'm not an expert at standard deviation, but I think the standard
deviation is roughly the square root of the number of cycles played.
You played 13 cycles or so, the square root of which is 3.5 or so, and
you were off by 12 or so, so you were off by a little over 3 standard
deviations.

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[vpFREE] Re: LVA Question of the Day - 1 FEB 2012

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFREE Administrator" <vpfreeadmin@...> wrote:
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> LVA Question of the Day - 1 FEB 2012
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> Q: I was playing late at the Riviera and the only eatery
> open was the Queen Victoria Pub.

I'm just a dollar rec, player. Can someone enlighten me tell me what BD could possibly be playing at the Riv.? Database shows nothing playable.

Larry F.

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Re: [vpFREE] Planned Vegas Trip

 

The four queens downtown has a good selection of games, and easy comps. Next
door is Fitzgeralds, and they are another viable option.
best...Tom

----- Original Message -----
From: "vprog42r" <vprog42r@yahoo.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 8:26 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Planned Vegas Trip

> I'm hunting for a single casino where I can play VP with the only object
> to get comped for my room and food. My bankroll is limited, perhaps
> $3,000. Certainly I don't require an expensive room or 5-star dining!
> Maybe $5.98/night would be OK, as long as the dogs weren't too loud. Oh,
> and kibbles and bits are OK, too. In truth, as many casinos as there are
> in Las Vegas, I really do expect to find a single destination that I can
> start with, and I'd figure out improvements with time. I'd play slowly at
> first, but would practice a whole bunch before I go to Vegas. Game? I
> believe I'd like Jacks or better, or DDB... They have that at the Indian
> casino not far from my home.

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[vpFREE] Re: gaffed NCL Epic VP & also the Palms & Palms promotions

 

6,000 hands at the Strat this Monday/Tuesday, got one (1) quad.
That's >10 deviations. VP is rigged at this joint as well :-)

Discussion of "gaffed" VP reminds me of similar threads from back in the day.

And there's always the DVD about Larry Volk's murder:
"...Larry Volk knew better than most the truth about Vegas-that the promise of the big payout is rarely fulfilled. As a programmer for a gaming machine company, he was ordered to rig video poker machines so they would never deliver big-money winnings to the players. And when the authorities discovered the scam, Volk was tapped to be the star witness for the prosecution. But before his court appearance, he was killed by Mob wanna-be acquaintances..."

http://shop.history.com/detail.php?p=66985&SESSID=760ae5708d7df4f5842235236dfc005a&v=history

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Tom Robertson <007@...> wrote:
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> Stuart wrote:
>
> >misscraps@ wrote:
> >> Played some single line DDB at Palms tonight and sure enough,
> >> lots of quads. It reconfirmed my feelings that the NCL Epic
> >> VP didn't just have bad pay tables, but was gaffed.
> >
> >Playing single line, and accurately recording the number of hands vs number of quads, how long would you have to play in order to have even a 75% confidence that your results reflect the expectation of the machine, rather than random short-term fluctuation? There must be math experts here who know exactly. Personally, I'd guess it'd take much more than one day.
> >
> >If not recording the quads and hands played exactly, but relying on feelings, I'm not sure that anyone could ever get a reliable conclusion re whether a machine is a little gaffed.
> >
> >Stuart
> >http://stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com/
>
> If it's possible, how long it would take depends on how much it's
> gaffed. But I'm not sure there's any way to tell that a machine is
> gaffed using trials. How far results deviate from expected, as per a
> particular theory, can be measured, but that's not enough. If one's
> results deviate from expected, based on the theory that all cards have
> an equal chance of occurring, by 8 standard deviations, is that an
> indication that the machine is gaffed? How about 3 standard
> deviations? 2? Where is the line at which the probability that the
> machine is gaffed exceeds 50%? It's still a guess. If being "off" by
> 8 standard deviations is an indication that the machine is gaffed,
> isn't the result of every hand some indication that the machine is
> gaffed?
>

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Re: [vpFREE] Planned Vegas Trip

 

First do you have a player card anywhere? If so, contact them to see if you can get a comped room. I have found rooms easy to get for free at most places. CET is , in my opinion hard to get food comps, but you can use your reward credits to pay but they are very stingy with rc's when you play vp. I would suggest Gold Coast or Sun Coast as it is much easier getting food comped there.

Pat McCauley

On Feb 1, 2012, at 8:26 PM, "vprog42r" <vprog42r@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I'm hunting for a single casino where I can play VP with the only object to get comped for my room and food. My bankroll is limited, perhaps $3,000. Certainly I don't require an expensive room or 5-star dining! Maybe $5.98/night would be OK, as long as the dogs weren't too loud. Oh, and kibbles and bits are OK, too. In truth, as many casinos as there are in Las Vegas, I really do expect to find a single destination that I can start with, and I'd figure out improvements with time. I'd play slowly at first, but would practice a whole bunch before I go to Vegas. Game? I believe I'd like Jacks or better, or DDB... They have that at the Indian casino not far from my home.
>
>

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[vpFREE] Planned Vegas Trip

 

I'm hunting for a single casino where I can play VP with the only object to get comped for my room and food. My bankroll is limited, perhaps $3,000. Certainly I don't require an expensive room or 5-star dining! Maybe $5.98/night would be OK, as long as the dogs weren't too loud. Oh, and kibbles and bits are OK, too. In truth, as many casinos as there are in Las Vegas, I really do expect to find a single destination that I can start with, and I'd figure out improvements with time. I'd play slowly at first, but would practice a whole bunch before I go to Vegas. Game? I believe I'd like Jacks or better, or DDB... They have that at the Indian casino not far from my home.

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[vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 31 JAN 2012

 

I liked this article a lot, of course it's the kind of thing I write about all the time. I'd like to add this to what Bob said.

Even if you played the same machines an identical number of times two years running, imagine how unlikely it would be for your results to be identical as well. With randomness added the chances of identical results are so small as to be nearly impossible.

Now consider that with two different results in front of you, one has to be smaller, and the other has to be larger. That's just how it works when you compare two numbers.

So what solid conclusion can one make from comparing two results of a random process? Sadly, not a darned thing.

It would be like flipping two coins and trying to infer from the results which one had more heads on it. Look at the coins, make sure they have both heads and a tails for sides, but for goodness sake don't flip them and record the results to learn anything more.

~FK

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> "Drawing Conclusions"
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Re: [vpFREE] Re: gaffed NCL Epic VP & also the Palms & Palms promotions

 

Stuart wrote:

>misscraps@... wrote:
>> Played some single line DDB at Palms tonight and sure enough,
>> lots of quads. It reconfirmed my feelings that the NCL Epic
>> VP didn't just have bad pay tables, but was gaffed.
>
>Playing single line, and accurately recording the number of hands vs number of quads, how long would you have to play in order to have even a 75% confidence that your results reflect the expectation of the machine, rather than random short-term fluctuation? There must be math experts here who know exactly. Personally, I'd guess it'd take much more than one day.
>
>If not recording the quads and hands played exactly, but relying on feelings, I'm not sure that anyone could ever get a reliable conclusion re whether a machine is a little gaffed.
>
>Stuart
>http://stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com/

If it's possible, how long it would take depends on how much it's
gaffed. But I'm not sure there's any way to tell that a machine is
gaffed using trials. How far results deviate from expected, as per a
particular theory, can be measured, but that's not enough. If one's
results deviate from expected, based on the theory that all cards have
an equal chance of occurring, by 8 standard deviations, is that an
indication that the machine is gaffed? How about 3 standard
deviations? 2? Where is the line at which the probability that the
machine is gaffed exceeds 50%? It's still a guess. If being "off" by
8 standard deviations is an indication that the machine is gaffed,
isn't the result of every hand some indication that the machine is
gaffed?

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[vpFREE] Re: gaffed NCL Epic VP & also the Palms & Palms promotions

 

misscraps@... wrote:
> Played some single line DDB at Palms tonight and sure enough,
> lots of quads. It reconfirmed my feelings that the NCL Epic
> VP didn't just have bad pay tables, but was gaffed.

Playing single line, and accurately recording the number of hands vs number of quads, how long would you have to play in order to have even a 75% confidence that your results reflect the expectation of the machine, rather than random short-term fluctuation? There must be math experts here who know exactly. Personally, I'd guess it'd take much more than one day.

If not recording the quads and hands played exactly, but relying on feelings, I'm not sure that anyone could ever get a reliable conclusion re whether a machine is a little gaffed.

Stuart
http://stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com/

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[vpFREE] vpFREE Posting Guidelines - FEB 2012

 

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[vpFREE] vpFREE Policies - FEB 2012

 

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Re: [vpFREE] Pay schedules

 

Linda Boyd's book, "The Video Poker Edge, also has pay schedules for many
of the common V.P. games
Dick McK




-------Original Message-------

From: nudge51
Date: 01/31/12 16:41:52
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Pay schedules

From: midorinish
Subject: [vpFREE] Pay schedules

Wondering where I might find a full listing of VP pay schedules, from best
to worse, for all the various games.

Thanks
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Go to 5-card's site located here:
http://videopokerhelp.net/
Look on your left and click on pay schedules.

Nudge


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[vpFREE] LVA Question of the Day - 1 FEB 2012

 

LVA Question of the Day - 1 FEB 2012

Q: I was playing late at the Riviera and the only eatery
open was the Queen Victoria Pub. The top item on the dessert
menu was "Albert´s Spotted Dick!!!" (exclamation points
included on the menu). I don´t know if you´ve written about
this in the QOD, but to many Americans this sounds like an
uncomfortable medical problem rather than something to eat.

Read the answer here:

http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/qod.cfm

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