Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 10 JUL 2012

 

Bob Dancer wrote, "I didn't say there was essentially no risk involved."

Perhaps you didn't say those exact words. But, you certainly did imply it.

~Luke

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Bob Dancer <bobdancervp@hotmail.com> wrote:

> ST wrote: Bob: You as a gambler are in the risk/reward business and the
> risk to you is much different than it would be to most other people. So
> before you go telling people their is essentially no risk involved in
> using an electronic device to gain an advantage checking a strategy while
> playing, why don't you consider their potential risks and not just look at
> it based on your own.
>
> I didn't say there was essentially no risk involved. What I said is that
> this law has never been enforced to my knowledge. For the record, I have
> no plans on doing a risk/reward study for everybody on vpFREE simply
> because ST says I should consider this. Bob

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RE: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 10 JUL 2012

 


ST wrote: Bob: You as a gambler are in the risk/reward business and the risk to you is much different than it would be to most other people. So before you go telling people their is essentially no risk involved in using an electronic device to gain an advantage checking a strategy while playing, why don't you consider their potential risks and not just look at it based on your own.

I didn't say there was essentially no risk involved. What I said is that this law has never been enforced to my knowledge. For the record, I have no plans on doing a risk/reward study for everybody on vpFREE simply because ST says I should consider this. Bob

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[vpFREE] Phone apps (Was Bob's Column)

 

I would not be comfortable using an app at this time. A couple months ago, I got nervous when the fellow sitting next to me "helped me out" by whipping out his smartphone when he saw me looking at a strategy chart for a hand that resulted in a big jackpot. It did cross my mind that there was a chance they would not pay me.

That being said, it is just a matter of time before casinos will not only tolerate the use of apps, but encourage it! I believe that people who love their tech toys, who do not gamble much, will plop down and play. The experience will be more enjoyable for them. They will be losing more slowly, because of the time it tales to look everything up.

It will help the casino's bottom line. A recent guest on "Gambling with an Edge" said when he gave strategy advice (this was for a table game, but it applies to human nature in general), people sort of wanted to know the right way to play, but still went with their "feelings."

That reminds me of when a visiting friend asked me to help him learn how to play VP. I thought he was doing really well at FPDW. This guy's no dummy, he's a Harvard law grad. So I took him to Sam's Town. The minute I turned my back, he says, "I kept seeing aces, so I held one, and look! Two more popped up!"

So, most folks with phone apps are not going to influence any casinos to tighten their paytables! People will still go with their intuition, and not follow the strategy. They will play a machine with a bad paytable, because they just know it is lucky. No app is going to help most folks beat the house.

I agree with everything Bob said. For a serious player, this is a good tool. For now, I'll be using paper charts if something stumps me, because I am chicken. Also, I am old and haven't gotten the hang of my smartphone yet.

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[vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 10 JUL 2012

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bob Dancer <bobdancervp@...> wrote:
> Vegasvpplayer wrote: It will be a sad day for video poker players if casinos allow the use of electronic devices in the casino to assist players. The only possible outcome will be the downgrade of the few playable opportunities that remain.
>
>> I disagree. Using an iPhone APP is VERY slow. Playing with a strategy memorized strong players can play at 800-1000 an hour or so. Looking up every hand you can play at a rate of 100 hands an hour or so. Someone who starts out their session looking up every play usually quickly gets bored with the process and abandons it.
>
> Usually players using such an APP for playing a lot of hands are not particularly competent. They don't know the game well and they are still making mistakes on some of the hands they don't look up.
>
> A decent player with such an APP might check it a few times an hour at most. As a tool it's a useful one but the end result is that most players who have one in the casino do not use it ENOUGH. Just having the APP with them gives them a lot of confidence that they feel they don't need to use the APP.
>
> Bottom line, It is a useful-enough tool to the competent player, but I don't think it has much of an effect on a casino's bottom line.
>
> Bob

I wouldn't want to be the guy who in 1 in 5,000+ hands decides to check my smartphone app or an online VP site on my smartphone while I'm playing to see if I should keep 3 to the sequential royal versus a made flush playing 50c Aces & Eights and then win a $25,000 royal (or the equivalent payday in another game) only to not get paid by the casino (and possibly worse) because I was using an electronic device to obtain an advantage to analyze the strategy for playing the game.

Perhaps you would, because it would be great publicity for you and Nersesian when you fight it.

BUT for the average player (many of whom don't live in Las Vegas), they can afford neither to lose a $25,000 payday, nor the time out of work to fight it, nor the risk of the possible arrest on their record which could jeopardize their current employment or future employment potential.

For the average person (although it is a stupid and outdated law) it seems ridiculous to take the risk, when you don't have to by alternatively copying and pasting and just printing out a small-font, color-coded, strategy card on heavy-weight paper stock using a $100 inkjet printer and then cutting it to a hand-held size with a pair of scissors (or paying $5.00 and buying an accurate strategy card) for their game(s) of choice and using it sporadically when in doubt about an infrequent play.

Bob: You as a gambler are in the risk/reward business and the risk to you is much different than it would be to most other people. So before you go telling people their is essentially no risk involved in using an electronic device to gain an advantage checking a strategy while playing, why don't you consider their potential risks and not just look at it based on your own.

I realize the casinos would be idiots to try to enforce it, but ... .

ST

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[vpFREE] LVA Question of the Day - 13 JUL 2012

 

LVA Question of the Day - 13 JUL 2012

Q: My wife and I are going to be in Vegas Aug 3-8 staying at
the Flamingo. Has construction on Linq started and will it
affect our stay?

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RE: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 10 JUL 2012

 



Vegasvpplayer wrote: It will be a sad day for video poker players if casinos allow the use of electronic devices in the casino to assist players. The only possible outcome will be the downgrade of the few playable opportunities that remain.

I disagree. Using an iPhone APP is VERY slow. Playing with a strategy memorized strong players can play at 800-1000 an hour or so. Looking up every hand you can play at a rate of 100 hands an hour or so. Someone who starts out their session looking up every play usually quickly gets bored with the process and abandons it.

Usually players using such an APP for playing a lot of hands are not particularly competent. They don't know the game well and they are still making mistakes on some of the hands they don't look up.

A decent player with such an APP might check it a few times an hour at most. As a tool it's a useful one but the end result is that most players who have one in the casino do not use it ENOUGH. Just having the APP with them gives them a lot of confidence that they feel they don't need to use the APP.

Bottom line, It is a useful-enough tool to the competent player, but I don't think it has much of an effect on a casino's bottom line.

Bob





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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 10 JUL 2012

 


On Jul 12, 2012, at 10:35 PM, Vegasvpplayer <vegasvpplayer@gmail.com> wrote:

> It will be a sad day for video poker players if casinos allow the use of electronic devices in the casino to assist players. The only possible outcome will be the downgrade of the few playable opportunities that remain.._,___
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Reminds me of LV Hilton security chasing down sports book cell users, or last month's Hard Rock concert where security spent most of the time fighting patrons taking cell video and pics. While your conclusion may be correct, attempting to limit or ban smartphone use in 2012 is clearly a losing battle.

TC

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