Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LVA - 31 MAR 2015

 

AP wrote: "I will reveal what may be the only auto hold machines in Las Vegas. At the venerable el Cortez there exists 6 machines that are manufactured by U1 gaming"

I thought I saw some of these at various Dotty's. They can be interesting because they give the return for the bonusing slots. They call it fair returns or something like that. They are fun machines to play, quite a bit different and frankly better than IGT and Bally's machines. During certain types of promotions they can be the loosest slots as well.

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Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LVA - 31 MAR 2015

 

In order to enlighten anyone that may be interested, I will reveal what may be the only auto hold machines in Las Vegas. At the venerable el Cortez there exists 6 machines that are manufactured by U1 gaming, and these machines have a feature that is optional, called U1 Pro-Hold. In exchange for a poorer pay table this feature will supposedly give you the optimal play for every hand. I have played these machines because they have some fun games on them, but I have never used the auto hold.

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A.P.

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> On Mar 31, 2015, at 11:37 AM, vpFREE3355 vpfree3355@gmail.com [vpFREE] <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Bob Dancer's LVA - 31 MAR 2015
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> A Legal Case Involving Auto-Hold
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Re: [vpFREE] Re: 2015 Seven Stars Signature Events

 

No. Nonsense is a 6 hr shutdown courtesy extended to 7*. What, do they need to run out for outpatient surgery?

In extenuating circumstances, I do request a shut down ... as brief as possible. Very infrequently ... at CZR 200k tier this year and haven't availed myself of the courtesy in 2015 yet. More often than not, it's a defensive act prompted by abusive (or at least "wasteful") shut-down by others on the busiest days. I definitely try to work a share, where possible, first.

"Fortunately", with all the tightening, CZR is doing a strong job of reducing machine contention ;)


---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <clementiyn@...> wrote :

The only time I've ever had them cap a machine for me is for a bathroom break in the middle of a 5-6 hour session.

Attendants have offered "at your card level you could cap it for two hours" but that's just nonsense to me

> On Apr 4, 2015, at 6:53 AM, Royal Flusher royalflusher@... mailto:royalflusher@... [vpFREE] <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com mailto:vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> > To all of you cretins that shut down machines - that's not the right
> thing to do and I NEVER shut down any machine. I even tell others not to
> shut down machines and let others play. If you need to put in a certain
> amount of action - get the torture over with and do it all in one play and
> keep the assembly line moving. Thank You.
>
> I would never ask them to lock down a machine for me. Probably because I'm
> too much of a bottom feeder for them to do it. But the solution here is
> simple.
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> If you feel the need to have a machine locked, you should have to take it
> with you.
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Re: [vpFREE] Re: 2015 Seven Stars Signature Events

 

The only time I've ever had them cap a machine for me is for a bathroom break in the middle of a 5-6 hour session.

Attendants have offered "at your card level you could cap it for two hours" but that's just nonsense to me

> On Apr 4, 2015, at 6:53 AM, Royal Flusher royalflusher@gmail.com [vpFREE] <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> > To all of you cretins that shut down machines - that's not the right
> thing to do and I NEVER shut down any machine. I even tell others not to
> shut down machines and let others play. If you need to put in a certain
> amount of action - get the torture over with and do it all in one play and
> keep the assembly line moving. Thank You.
>
> I would never ask them to lock down a machine for me. Probably because I'm
> too much of a bottom feeder for them to do it. But the solution here is
> simple.
>
> If you feel the need to have a machine locked, you should have to take it
> with you.
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>

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[vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LVA - 31 MAR 2015

 

saysitsme wrote: "My guess - some high up suit must have seen his plays in the past and felt this guy is so valuable that we can't have his action go elsewhere and made him 7stars. The problem is this guy plays so slow that he rates to lose "only" about $5 per hour."

A lot of casino execs today don't understand the significance of coin-in, they are hotel execs, they don't understand casinos. Harrah's in particular rates players by time on the machine, so this gambler you mentioned was probably just doing a freeplay offer while minimizing the hit to trip average, by getting a great play rating for playing bad and putting in time on a machine. So this gambler loses $5/hour gambling, but obviously the 7-stars card is worth a lot more than that, plus free drinks plus promos at non-Harrah's casinos just for flashing a 7-stars card. "Advantage gambling" is kind of a misnomer, the true advantage play is to gamble as little as possible while hustling as many benefits as possible. That's the mistake casinos are making, the customer is incentivized to gamble as little as possible and instead spend most of their time consuming free handouts at the expense of the casino.

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[vpFREE] Re: 2015 Seven Stars Signature Events

 

> To all of you cretins that shut down machines - that's not the right
thing to do and I NEVER shut down any machine. I even tell others not to
shut down machines and let others play. If you need to put in a certain
amount of action - get the torture over with and do it all in one play and
keep the assembly line moving. Thank You.

I would never ask them to lock down a machine for me. Probably because I'm
too much of a bottom feeder for them to do it. But the solution here is
simple.

If you feel the need to have a machine locked, you should have to take it
with you.

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Way www.royalflushervegas.com

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[vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LVA - 31 MAR 2015

 

You think this player was a 7* "pity" qualifier? Seems doubtful. More likely he's with a rel who has him play on his card.


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All this arguing about whether ATsuited is a hold in 9-6 JOB? I truly saw the worst vp player in the world the other day. He looked like a bum off the street (typical gambler). He puts in his card, lo and behold this guy is 7stars. He checks out all the games on this IGT. After much deliberation he settles in on 9-5 JOB. Not the worst game on this machine but not the best. Puts in some money and bets 1 coin at a time. He is by far the slowest player I have ever seen playing video poker. How in the world did this player ever make 7stars? I will tell you how - a hand comes up of 10-8-7-5-3 of mixed suits with no 3CSF. He goes into tank mode for about 2 minutes. He finally draws 1 card to 10-8-7-5. He comits vp suicide, he draws to a hand that must end up a loser (there are 6 such "draws" on this hand including the no card draw). My guess - some high up suit must have seen his plays in the past and felt this guy is so valuable that we can't have his action go elsewhere and made him 7stars. The problem is this guy plays so slow that he rates to lose "only" about $5 per hour. Any other story from anyone out there?

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[vpFREE] diamond in two days [DIAD]

 

{my apologies if this ends up being a formatting nightmare.  i post these via email, not the Y! forum, and my missives have had a history of getting trashed on post.}
three years ago i achieved diamond in a day and wrote the result up here ... earlier this week i re-instated myself and thought i'd pass along my experience as future search engine fodder as well as for the (very) few who may be interested now.
executive summary: diamond achieved in two days (4000 "actual" tier points + a cumulative 11,000 bonus) resulting in a $1635 loss.  the diamond is good through at least the end of 2016.

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grittier details:
DIAD isn't as simple as it was before (3000 tier points in a single day).  the easiest way was an  underlying two part parlay. 
earning 2500 tier points on day 1 qualifies for a 5000 point bonus, resulting in a day with 7500 tier points total.
on day 2, 1500 tier points gets another 1000 in bonus.  these 2500 points, added to the 7500 of the day before gives a total of 10,000 points.  tack on to the top of that a "winter blast" bonus of 5000 gives a total 15,000 ... and the very lowliest of diamonds.
on sunday i sat myself in front of a 50 play 25/50/$1 JoB machine in lake tahoe.  to smooth the variance, as well as reducing the W2G hit if there was a freak deal, i played 19 lines of 25c.  i sat the machine on "turbo" but all that really means is the hands get dealt quickly ... my decision making process is laughably slow because: 1) i don't want to make a mistake= and more importantly =2) i don't know JoB.  (unless i'm trying to generate points for some reason, i almost exclusively play +EV games (in order of quantity: [10/7DB, FPJW, FPDW].)
the 50-play machines are easily the nicest video poker "unit" i've ever sat myself in front of ... some sort of modern IGT wunder-maschines (that also happen to be left hand playable).  the ergonomics, display and sound are really nice.  (greatly appealing to my "human factors" background.)
notable pay hands and dollar amounts follow:
day 11st hand: four eights (4 8s), three on the same draw times (3x), +$135 net-$100, 186 tier credits (TC) 4 3s, on two different hands (2x), -104 5s, 2x (on a double draw!), +254 3s, 2x, +1354 Qs, -$554 9s, -135-200, 470TC4 8s, -554 9s, -1004 8s, -1504 7s, -254 4s, +354 4s, 2x, +1204 6s, +754 Ks, +504 9s, +504 7s, -154 7s, -25-$300, 1245 TCs, roughly half way for the day4 5s, -200-$400, 1350 TCs4 3s, -3004 Qs, -1654 Ks, -1354 4s, -2254 Ks, -2254 9s, -1354 8s, -285-$400, 1680 TC4 Ks, 2x, -300-$500, 1790 TC-$600, 1860 TC-$700, 1880 TC-$800, 1915 TC-$900, 1945 TC4 Qs, -850-$1000, 2020 TC-$1100, 2045 TC4 8s, 2x, -9854 As, -8604 6s, -9552 straight flushes! (drew 2 8cs against a hand of 9TJQc), -8404 8s, -8854 3s, -835-$1200, 2487 TC-$1225 and out for day 1, 2500 TC2:20 worth of play.

everything looked pretty good up until i hit the -$400 mark, eh?

day 2-$3004 Js, -$554 Js, 2x, +504 Ts, -2504 4s, -2404 Js, -2704 7s, -320-$400, 470 TC4 9s, -390-$500, 660 TC4 Js, -3704 Ks, -3404 Qs, -2554 Ts, -2354 3s, -1804 6s, -3504 9s, -340-$600, 1340 TC4 7s, -5854 8s, -440last draw is 8 lines only, i hit 4 8s, 3x!  1500 TC.  - $410 and out.2:00 worth of play

so in 4:20 (no drug reference intended) of play, i lost $1635.  that's $0.41/actual tier point earned, or $0.03/tier point with bonus.  compare this to three years ago where the diamond cost me $755 or $0.25/actual tier point earned.  the diamond in 2012 was good for 15 months (1/12 - 3/13, inclusive) or $50/month.  i'm assuming the one i've just qualified for is good from 4.5/15 - 3/17 (i know it's good through 2016, while it's possible everything could end on 12/31/16, it's hard to imagine that C wouldn't just dribble the program into the following year through march ... since that's been their established switch-over for years).  that's 23.5 months which makes the amortization $70/month.  
i've always questioned the "value" of diamond if you don't live close to a caesars property.   it just seems like you don't get to take enough advantage of it. 
but for my girlfriend and i, living in vegas, we get to exploit it a bit more.  very roughly speaking, the things we like to take advantage of, in rough order, are: * free shows* spa * line cuts (and valet when otherwise "full")* diamond loungesfurther back in our preferences are things like comp rooms, tournaments and free play.

having said that, $70/month seems pretty dear for what we're getting ... especially given that we belong to a gym over-and-above the spas (and caesars has resort fees now -which gives any customer access to the spas (in turn making them both more crowded and less desirable).
pax,m.

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