Re: [vpFREE] Re: stations policy on no mailing

 

Harry, I always appreciate your answers and comments.  How do you know skill assessment is being performed anywhere?

________________________________
From: vp_wiz <harry.porter@verizon.net>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 2:56 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: stations policy on no mailing


 
Skill assessment of vp play in casinos isn't being performed. At LVH, you and many other players had their standing degraded simply because LVH sharply weakened the theos assigned to their best games.

The host who suggested that skill was a factor was simply speaking out of her ass, other than as a suggestion that you weren't leaving at least 2% of your coin-in on the table.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, David Feldman <feldman@...> wrote:
>
> Am I hallucinating, or isn't software tracking players' quality of play already in use? I remember the Las Vegas Hilton (before the change to LVH)
> was rumored to use it, and my host implied as much to me when she cut off my comps. I went from C-2 to "no thanks" in one visit, playing mostly the FPJOB 10-play
> (with minimal play of the positive dollar plays in the sports book) that is still on the floor. When I expressed surprise that I was being cut off for playing the
> same games I always played, and had lost on this trip and the previous trip, she replied: "You are playing the wrong games, and you are playing too well on
> those games." I do not play flawlessly, even on JOB.
>
> DF
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

__._,_.___
Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (22)
Recent Activity:
.

__,_._,___

[vpFREE] Re: stations policy on no mailing

 

The LVH no mailed us last year after a great winning streak. Couple of months ago, got $300+/month free play plus nice room and a show.

No more free food but imo doing us a favor.

The VPReno daughter board had a discussion of new software tracking player's skill. Over time, I'm skeptical that casino's can keep staff required for same. If it becomes widespread, then gambler's may have to take counter measures.

But my gut feeling is this software will bite 'em in the ass by erroneously targeting long term (bullshit)customers who were profitable.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, David Feldman <feldman@...> wrote:
>
> Am I hallucinating, or isn't software tracking players' quality of play already in use? I remember the Las Vegas Hilton (before the change to LVH)
> was rumored to use it, and my host implied as much to me when she cut off my comps. I went from C-2 to "no thanks" in one visit, playing mostly the FPJOB 10-play
> (with minimal play of the positive dollar plays in the sports book) that is still on the floor. When I expressed surprise that I was being cut off for playing the
> same games I always played, and had lost on this trip and the previous trip, she replied: "You are playing the wrong games, and you are playing too well on
> those games." I do not play flawlessly, even on JOB.
>
> DF
>

__._,_.___
Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (21)
Recent Activity:
.

__,_._,___

[vpFREE] Re: stations policy on no mailing

 

The FPJB theo reduction at Hilton that I remember was ~8 years ago.
It went from more than 3% to less than .3%. But there best VP stayed over 3%. The new Atlantic City suits decimated the FPJB theo because they knew that game but didn't have a clue on the "exoctic" offerings.

A lot of bullshit gamblers from afar. A bunch of us were getting on a bus to San Diego for a cruise to Mexico. One of our group lost their life on the boat. Carnivale trip to hell.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" <harry.porter@...> wrote:
>
> Skill assessment of vp play in casinos isn't being performed. At LVH, you and many other players had their standing degraded simply because LVH sharply weakened the theos assigned to their best games.
>
> The host who suggested that skill was a factor was simply speaking out of her ass, other than as a suggestion that you weren't leaving at least 2% of your coin-in on the table.
>
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, David Feldman <feldman@> wrote:
> >
> > Am I hallucinating, or isn't software tracking players' quality of play already in use? I remember the Las Vegas Hilton (before the change to LVH)
> > was rumored to use it, and my host implied as much to me when she cut off my comps. I went from C-2 to "no thanks" in one visit, playing mostly the FPJOB 10-play
> > (with minimal play of the positive dollar plays in the sports book) that is still on the floor. When I expressed surprise that I was being cut off for playing the
> > same games I always played, and had lost on this trip and the previous trip, she replied: "You are playing the wrong games, and you are playing too well on
> > those games." I do not play flawlessly, even on JOB.
> >
> > DF
> >
>

__._,_.___
Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (20)
Recent Activity:
.

__,_._,___

[vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 16 JUL 2013

 

Believe henry left the joint voluntarily. Don't know how long he'd have lasted if he continued playing only on double points days. Since he did the gas card offer ($500 worth = ~$80K action) maybe he figured that wouldn't be a black mark like double point days.

I'll take $18/hour. We're from out of town and get a free room (the rooms are nice). We came back last week and south point was the only joint where we won ($1K). That makes 4 winning trips so don't know if our goose is cooked. Received nothing in the mail and first trip was April.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "skiallsix" <emailscot@...> wrote:
>
> I am confused if Henry left the South Point voluntarily or was one of the dozens who were restricted for playing on 2X days?
>
> Let's assume he wasn't kicked out of the slot club. Henry isn't missing much. He is playing a break even game nearly every day. This assumes that Henry can play NSUD perfectly. The South Point mailers are worthless as the article suggests.
>
> A couple days per month, Henry can collect a whopping 33 basis points. This equates to $18 per hour on those rare days.
>
> Henry's accounting is irrelevant since he treats all casinos P&L the same. It is the relative results which are important. There are many casinos which are relatively better to play than the South Point---no matter how you account for it.
>
> Henry made the right choice by playing elsewhere. Good riddance...
>

__._,_.___
Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (3)
Recent Activity:
.

__,_._,___

[vpFREE] Re: I Need Help with my VP Playing Style

 

I'm not the speediest player in the world, and I occasionally play tired and make mistakes (playing tired is a mistake in itself, for that reason, but that's another story).  I still can crank out 1,000 hands per hour, and I think if I played when I was most alert, I could do 1200+.  I've played for years, but I only play no more than 1 to 4 hours a day, a few days in a week, about 6 to 12 times a year, so I'm not getting in the hours of practice that the pro's have, but I honestly think that there comes a point where additional hours of practice don't improve your speed much more.
 
Anyway, you are certainly correct that you'll need to master using the buttons to get more speed.  I never use the touchscreen unless I'm having trouble with the buttons, and then I'll soon look for a machine without button trouble.  I almost always keep my right hand over the "draw" button and use my left for the "hold" decisions.  I agree with what others have said about scan / draw / check for errors.  I very quickly repeat to myself the cards I'm throwing away, which sometimes helps me identify an error before I make my draw.  Anything you can do to maintain accuracy is most important, and I say that as someone who catches himself making 1-2 errors an hour that I see too late, and must I assume an equal number miss my catching them altogether.  The worst I ever committed was just last week, where I was playing a machine with sticky buttons, held a pair of kings, and as I hit draw, noticed too late that one of the kinds wasn't held -- and then
two more kings came!!  Ugh.  Expensive mistake.  So the "check for errors" step, which is one where I'm sometimes a little lax, is an important habit to get -- no amount of additional hands per hour will compensate for the cost of too many mistakes.
 
A couple of speed tips that not everyone knows:  (1) after the draw, hitting the draw button again as soon as the draw pops up will immediately deal the next hand for "play max credits" -- you don't have to go back to the "deal" button to deal.  (2) When the credits are racking up on anything that pays, you don't have to wait for them to finish accumulating - you can (again) hit the draw button, and the credit counter will immediately go to the amount you now have and the next hand will be dealt.  Time is definitely wasted waiting for credits to be added up, and a little time is wasted going back to the deal button when hitting the draw button will cause a deal to occur (but watch out - if you hit "draw" to deal the hand and then accidentally hit it again before you've selected your "hold" cards, you'll draw without any holds).
 
Finally, of course, you don't have to even look at what you got on the draw, although there's always a split second to do so.  Once I've hit "draw", my decision is over with (even if I made a mistake) and it really no longer matters how the hand plays out, so I immediately start tapping the draw button again to get the next hand dealt as quickly as possible.  If you can live with only a fleeting glance at what hand you made as the next hand is dealt, you can pick up speed, but if you feel obliged to know exactly what you ended up with on every hand, you'll probably be dealing the next hand slightly less quickly.
 
I'll assume you're also aware of the "speed" option at the bottom of the screen -- I don't think you could do 600-650 hands an hour on the touchscreen without the speed being set to the max.  And of course, some machines don't seem to have that option, and they will always be slow playing machines, and some machines are almost-instantaneous in displaying the dealt hand and in dealing the draws, while others have three speeds to select from, with the fastest not quite instantaneous.  Machine selection (including getting a machine without button problems, of course) will help with speed.
 
Like touch typing, start with a slow but steady pace and a rhythm such as others suggested, and then gradually try to step up the tempo.  When you feel comfortable with all the "moves" you can start to press for really fast play.
 
--BG
=============

Ok, it's been long enough, and I've been very stubborn.  When I play, I pick the cards on the screen.  I don't make mistakes, but at the same time I probably only put out 600-650 hands an hour.  I need to learn, and improve, and speed things up.

The thing is, I don't live in Vegas.  So it's not like I can just stand and look over Frank Kneeland's shoulder and see how it's done.  Someone's going to have to help me and explain in writing to me, how to work the buttons, and then I can practice in my local Indian Casino.  Trust me, there's no one here that I can learn from.  It's like Oliver and Lisa Douglas of Green Acres here.

Any tips, suggestions, personal methods from fellow VPFreers would be appreciated.

I'm an older dog, but not too old to learn and change.  If I can give up sodium in my diet, well I can do this too.  Think positive!

thx,
-BB

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

__._,_.___
Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (16)
Recent Activity:
.

__,_._,___

[vpFREE] Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 17 JUL 2013

 

Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 17 JUL 2013

"What Would You Like to Tell Your Hosts?"

http://jscott.lvablog.com/?p=2990

*************************************************
This link is posted for informational purposes
and doesn't constitute an endorsement or approval
of the linked article's content by vpFREE. Any
discussion of the article must be done in
accordance with vpFREE's rules and policies.
*************************************************

__._,_.___
Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1)
Recent Activity:
.

__,_._,___

[vpFREE] Re: stations policy on no mailing

 

Skill assessment of vp play in casinos isn't being performed. At LVH, you and many other players had their standing degraded simply because LVH sharply weakened the theos assigned to their best games.

The host who suggested that skill was a factor was simply speaking out of her ass, other than as a suggestion that you weren't leaving at least 2% of your coin-in on the table.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, David Feldman <feldman@...> wrote:
>
> Am I hallucinating, or isn't software tracking players' quality of play already in use? I remember the Las Vegas Hilton (before the change to LVH)
> was rumored to use it, and my host implied as much to me when she cut off my comps. I went from C-2 to "no thanks" in one visit, playing mostly the FPJOB 10-play
> (with minimal play of the positive dollar plays in the sports book) that is still on the floor. When I expressed surprise that I was being cut off for playing the
> same games I always played, and had lost on this trip and the previous trip, she replied: "You are playing the wrong games, and you are playing too well on
> those games." I do not play flawlessly, even on JOB.
>
> DF
>

__._,_.___
Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (19)
Recent Activity:
.

__,_._,___

[vpFREE] Re: El Cortez?

 

Thanks, I recall reading it somewhere and now of course can't find it.....

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, ken orgera <keno60@...> wrote:
>
> I brought my IRS check and got free play. At the end of June.
>
>
>
>
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> From: georgew@...
> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 16:47:51 +0000
> Subject: [vpFREE] El Cortez?
>
>
>
>
>
> Can someone confirm its the El Cortez that is offering a rebate promo on cashing government cheques?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

__._,_.___
Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (3)
Recent Activity:
.

__,_._,___

[vpFREE] Re: stations policy on no mailing

 

Am I hallucinating, or isn't software tracking players' quality of play already in use? I remember the Las Vegas Hilton (before the change to LVH)
was rumored to use it, and my host implied as much to me when she cut off my comps. I went from C-2 to "no thanks" in one visit, playing mostly the FPJOB 10-play
(with minimal play of the positive dollar plays in the sports book) that is still on the floor. When I expressed surprise that I was being cut off for playing the
same games I always played, and had lost on this trip and the previous trip, she replied: "You are playing the wrong games, and you are playing too well on
those games." I do not play flawlessly, even on JOB.

DF

__._,_.___
Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (18)
Recent Activity:
.

__,_._,___

[vpFREE] Re: I Need Help with my VP Playing Style

 

Teaching cats to play is the future, plus they get monster mailers, casino management loves them, no way will any casino ever 86 a cat, it would be a total media blowup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On4ErtaF5BM

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@...> wrote:
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@> wrote:
> >
> > Frank doesn't like to brag about his talents, besides his dance card is fulled up these days, but my understanding is that he was conservatively rated at 3,000 HPH on a single old style machine. Of course, if there was money on the line, he could go faster, whatever is necessary to win.
> >
>
>
> This sounds almost super human. Not just the physical capability, but the mental that has to go with that. If it was some unknown person making this claim, I would not believe it. I could not believe it. But I am sure Frank is serious, and I respect your opinion also, and I know as a fact that he is known for his speed at video poker, so I DO believe it. But it's "unbelievable". Even though I believe it.
>
> I don't think even my Video Poker For Winners goes that fast on auto-run. lol
>
> 3000 hph? Wow. That's CRAZY!
>

__._,_.___
Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (15)
Recent Activity:
.

__,_._,___

Re: [vpFREE] Re: I Need Help with my VP Playing Style

 

>I'd be thrilled to reach 1000, and maintain accuracy.

Bob,

 That's good, but IMHO, reversed. Maintaining accuracy is more important than increasing speed. That final scan of the machine, in which I include both the paytable section for the highlighted line, if any, as well as the cards I am holding is critical. Cards can be held and unheld by a quick double push, a button can be mechanically pushed by your finger but not sufficiently to hold the card, or there can be that jumbled-up straight that your eye just might not have registered that can cause what VP training programs call critical, serious or severe errors. Any of those can be much more costly than can be made up for by a 10% increase in speed.

You did get a lot of valid suggestions for speed increases, just don't neglect the other side of the equation!

Guru

P.S. and that's coming from someone who HATES to sit next to someone who uses the screen to select his cards. The constant motion in my peripheral vision can be distracting, and sometimes I want to scream (especially when it is a woman whose 35 jangly bracelets add a soundtrack to the dancing). But to each his (or her) own, so I would never say anything about someone's foibles.

P.P.S. Except that once on an NCL cruise when an older woman was making herself a totally obnoxious witch (sp) with her continual screaming of obscenities at the machine, the attendants, the drink servers, and her fellow players, spewing smoke and scattering ashes. She changed machines and sat down next to me and I was very reluctant to move because the machine was playing nicely for me. I tried to ignore her, until she cursed me specifically after I pulled quad Aces just holding a singleton. But "Ignorant, C---------g F--k, you get Aces and I get S--t!@#$%^&&*&^%$# etc."? Ignorant? Screw you, sweetheart, I worked hard for my Masters degree.

I turned to her, looked her right in the eye and softly said "Malocchio" and made the mano cornuta gesture at her machine. Now I'm not saying that I was profiling, but let's just say that I really believed she would understand exactly what both the words and the gesture would mean. She turned pale, shut totally up, which was a welcome silence, and played another couple of hands. She got absolutely nothing either before or after the draw - not a single card to even hold. She cashed out and rushed away. Later on, I overheard her telling her girlfriend that she'd been cursed. And although she did play some more during the cruise, keeping up her obnoxious antics unfortunately, every time I sat down to play, she immediately cashed out and went rushing away as if the devil was chasing her.

 
Certainly the game is rigged. Don't let that stop you; if you don't bet, you can't win. -Lazarus Long
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is. -Yogi Berra
There is no such thing as luck. There is only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe. -Robert Heinlein

>________________________________
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

__._,_.___
Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (14)
Recent Activity:
.

__,_._,___

[vpFREE] Re: I Need Help with my VP Playing Style

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:
>
> Frank doesn't like to brag about his talents, besides his dance card is fulled up these days, but my understanding is that he was conservatively rated at 3,000 HPH on a single old style machine. Of course, if there was money on the line, he could go faster, whatever is necessary to win.
>

This sounds almost super human. Not just the physical capability, but the mental that has to go with that. If it was some unknown person making this claim, I would not believe it. I could not believe it. But I am sure Frank is serious, and I respect your opinion also, and I know as a fact that he is known for his speed at video poker, so I DO believe it. But it's "unbelievable". Even though I believe it.

I don't think even my Video Poker For Winners goes that fast on auto-run. lol

3000 hph? Wow. That's CRAZY!

__._,_.___
Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (13)
Recent Activity:
.

__,_._,___