[vpFREE] I phone I Pad VP trainer program

 

Which of the avaliable trainer programs can be bought
for the I phone or I pad? Do you have to buy it twice
for each device?

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[vpFREE] Win 2 free tix to Big Al's Comedy Club-Orleans

 
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[vpFREE] Re: Palms 50c FPDW MIA

 

The $.50 FPDW lasted two weeks...guess we shouldn't be surprised that they were pulled.

Don the Dentist

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, vpFREE Administrator <vpfree3355@...> wrote:
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> I received a private email from a friend saying the Palms 50c FPDW
> have been removed. The other games and denominations are still there -
> 25c FPDW and 25c and 50c 10/7 DB and 10/6 DDB.
>
> vpFREE Administrator
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[vpFREE] Re: Vegas Trip Last Week of July...

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "m" <mxpxman264@...> wrote:
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> What if you hit a bonus round then withdraw your players card on any slot. Then you accumulate your bonuses with the card out of the machine. Then re-insert card after the bonus round. Im thinking of hot roll where I commonly make $5-15 on a bonus round playing only a 20c bet.
>
>
The only casino I ever encountered where the card reader wouldn't revert back to "insert card" when I pulled the slot card was the Wendover Nugget. If you pulled your card in the middle of a video poker hand the card reader clearly showed that your card was still engaged. It wouldn't clear until you finished your hand. I recently heard of a system where, if you pulled your card, the card reader wouldn't disengage until all the credits were played off, even if someone else inserted there card and put money in the machne.

With the above systems it's easy to tell that you can't cover up a win. But what about the systems where the reader reverts back to "insert card" or whatever? Pulling the card always worked for me. But I haven't used a slot card in 4 1/2 years. So I have no idea if or how much more technologically advanced the players club systems are today.

There was a trick I tried to play on the boothlings a few times by saying something like "Gee, I was really drunk yesterday. Could you tell me if I won or lost?" In every case their response was "I don't have access to that information." I figured I'd have to deal with a superviser so I gave up on that technique. I don't know. Maybe I should have tried it in a few more places. You might be able to weasel the information out of your slot host.

I do know this. I never got a win/loss statement that was even remotely accurate to what my real bottom line was in that casino. I looked like the biggest sucker loser on the planet.

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[vpFREE] Re: ADVANTAGE SLOTS

 

Yeah, you got it. Six digits only.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@> wrote:
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> > I can't remember how many digits were in those meters, perhaps 7 or >8.
> >
> >
> My Alzheimer's ain't so bad today. I'm thinking there were only 6 digits in those Vision meters.
>

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[vpFREE] Re: ADVANTAGE SLOTS

 



Thanks, Mickey. This is what I suspected. The meters are only six digits, so they've rolled over a few times. Just like the odometer on my grandmother's 65 Malibu.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

> I can't remember how many digits were in those meters, perhaps 7 or 8. The top meter is the coin-in meter, the meter just below it is the coin-out meter. Forget the third meter which is totally irrelevant.
>
> What you are dealing with, on this particular machine, is meters that have been wrapped around. And since you are dealing with a machine that is at least 13 years old, there is no telling how many times those meters have been wrapped around by now.

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RE: [vpFREE] Absinthe ticket--gone now

I just wanted to thank you for offering the cruise on the lake in Tahoe. I've done it before and it's spectacular. I hope to take you up on this opportunity someday.

james thompson
'former hrh casino monitor

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[vpFREE] Palms 50c FPDW MIA

 

I received a private email from a friend saying the Palms 50c FPDW
have been removed. The other games and denominations are still there -
25c FPDW and 25c and 50c 10/7 DB and 10/6 DDB.

vpFREE Administrator

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[vpFREE] Re: ADVANTAGE SLOTS

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
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> I can't remember how many digits were in those meters, perhaps 7 or >8.
>
>
My Alzheimer's ain't so bad today. I'm thinking there were only 6 digits in those Vision meters.

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[vpFREE] Re: Vegas Trip Last Week of July...

 

What if you hit a bonus round then withdrawal your players card on any slot. Then you accumulate your bonuses with the card out of the machine. Then re-insert card after the bonus round. Imthinking of hot roll where I commonly make $5-15 on a bonus round playing only a 20c bet.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
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> >
> > From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpFREE@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of H.
> > F.
> > Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 4:46 PM
> > To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Vegas Trip Last Week of July...
> >
> >
> >
> > Several casinos have loss rebates - Riviera, Palms, Tropicana, Cosmopolitan and now Hooter's according to the latest Vegas Values Report.
> >
> >
> > Scot Krause wrote:
> >
> > ---Westin and both Canneries too.
> >
> >
> I haven't been in Nevada if 4 1/2 years now so I have no idea what the inventory on the casino floors looks like today. I'm wondering if any slot machines (not video pokers) have been disqualified from these loss rebate promotions.
>
> If these type promotions had been going on in the heyday of advantage slots the casinos would have gotten crushed. That is, the ones with the right equipment. It would have been so lucrative that some guys would've been going down to D Street or St. Vincent's looking for new sign-ups. On some type of advantage slots it's easy to win but show a loss, or take a small loss while showing a much bigger loss. It would have been done through slot card manipulation.
>
> Take a game like Wild Cherry Bonus Pie/Diamond Thief. Roughly, 2/3's of the payback is in the line pays and 1/3'rd of the payback is in the bonuses. What this means is you are taking a big drop on your way to collecting the bonuses. You are almost always behind until you fill the Pie/Valise up. The Pie/Valise would have been worked down to one to go, the card would get pulled, the ticket would be cashed out, a new bill would go in the machine, then the play would be finished.
>

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[vpFREE] Re: 9/6 JoB at Revel (Atlantic City)

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "lfcmja@..." <lfcmja@...>
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>
> Only 100 machines, none of them VP are server based.
>
> Larry F.
>
oh, thanks for that info Larry. That is helpful for knowing the the payables won't be mysteriously changing locations.

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[vpFREE] LVA Question of the Day - 21 MAY 2012

 

LVA Question of the Day - 21 MAY 2012

Q: In your QoD about "Welcome to Las Vegas" sign, there was
no mention of the fact that the sign has been moved south
more than once -- as stated in a recent article in Los
Angeles Times. What was the original location of the sign
and when/where was it shifted?

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[vpFREE] Re: ADVANTAGE SLOTS

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "ma18ks" <89109.nv@...> wrote:
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> Hi Mickey,
>
> In an earlier thread, you mentioned being able to see the coin meters on the older Vision games. I found one of these machines, and could see three meters: Coin In, Coin Out, and Coin Drop. I assumed that Coin In was equal to the Coin Out (the return) plus the Coin Drop (the vig). But the values I recorded from this particular machine don't add up. The Coin Out value is significantly higher than the Coin In value, implying a return of about 140%.
>
> This machine is not returning 140%, so I must going about this the >wrong way.
>
>
I can't remember how many digits were in those meters, perhaps 7 or 8. The top meter is the coin-in meter, the meter just below it is the coin-out meter. Forget the third meter which is totally irrelevant.

What you are dealing with, on this particular machine, is meters that have been wrapped around. And since you are dealing with a machine that is at least 13 years old, there is no telling how many times those meters have been wrapped around by now.

You, ma18ks, know how many digits are in those meters, I personally don't remember, but let's say there are 7 digits. When the coin-in meter reaches 9,999,999 coins, and then another coin is bet, that meter has no choice but to flip to 0,000,000. It's the same for the coin-out meter, once it reaches 9,999,999 and another coin is bet, it is going to flip to 0,000,000.

The disparity between the coin-in/coin-meters can be anywhere between 3% and 12% on a machine like a Wild Cherry Bonus Pie. So once those meters get wrapped around multiple times one can run into the situation which you describe above.

When those machines first came out in 1997 I didn't have the problem of the wrapped around meters because they all started at zero's and it takes a long time for a 2 or 3 coin machine to get that much coin-in/coin-out. It was at least a few years before I ran into the wrapped around meters. But at that time is wasn't that hard to figure out. I dont' remember the particulars of the first time I ran into the phenomenom, but I eventually did. So let's imagine it went like this:I ran into a coin-in meter that read 0,684,532 and a coin-out meter that read 9,980,986. All I had to do was add a digit to the coin-in meter. So I would divide 9,980,986 by 10,684,532 to get a payback of 93.4%.
But this was on machines which I had been tracking since they came out, so it wasn't that hard to figure out.

On my trip to the midwest in 2002, which only lasted a few months, I ran into wrapped around meters from hell. We're talking about meters that had been wrapped around 3, 4, 5 times, etc. I couldn't peg the machines that way. But I had the experience of already seeing a gillion spins on good paying and bad paying machines before I got to the midwest. So I could guess the payback by watching the ploppies play the machines.

This was a thing I did everywhere, and it's what you have to do with the machine you are dealing with. Record the coin-in/coin-out meters....and track them from that point forward.

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