[vpFREE] Golden Nugget Las Vegas Expired Points

 

After my last play in May 2015, most of my points were deleted. I was
told that all points that existed on May 30, 2014, when they changed
their system, expired in a year. Was I the only one to not know this?
Did this happen to anyone else? I've never heard of some of the
points in an account being deleted. I was asked by a host "do you
think they last forever?" Live and learn.

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[vpFREE] Re: The Original Machine Pros

 

I got a great response from Jackie Shirley. He said that Nevada Gaming never knew about rhythm play so the statute that WRX referred to was written about other manipulations. No one to his knowledge was ever prosecuted. He said that if they hadn't gone from mechanical to RNG the rhythm players would still be in business. The couple that taught him took $2,000,000 out of the mechanicals on the strip. He said that he had a big advantage at rhythm play because, being a former professional drummer, he had great timing. The last of the mechanicals disappeared in 1990.

Bob, you should try to get this guy on GWAE.

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[vpFREE] Re: The Original Machine Pros

 

I just fired off an email to Jackie Shirley with some questions:

What year did Nevada Gaming Regulations outlaw rhythm play?
Was anyone ever prosecuted for rhythm play? Were their any convictions?
What year did the old mechanical slots disappear?

I'll see if I get a response.

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[vpFREE] Re: The Original Machine Pros

 

According to Shirley the most common variator had seven speeds. But there was a lot more to the strategy than just figuring out the speeds. One had to map the reels. On the old mechanical slots there were 22 symbols on each reel. So there was 10,648 possible outcomes, 22X22X22. He referred to one type of machine as a "fruit machine." The symbols were:

7's
Bars
Bells
Oranges
Plums
Cherries

I had learned a long time ago that the way they mapped the reels was to make a spin then record the symbol above the line, the symbol on the line, and the symbol below the line. Make about 100 spins doing this. Then cull out all the duplicates and you will have the reel mapped.

On the fruit machines, according to Shirley, there were 7 plums on the first reel, only 1 plum on the second reel, and 7 plums on the third reel. The object of rhythm play was to get the plum on the second reel to land on or close to the line every time. This increased your chances of making 3 plums, which payed 20 for 1, and also increased your chances of making bar/plum/plum or plum/plum/bar which payed 14 for 1.

But the five symbols above the plum and the five symbols below the plum were also important. A good rhythm player could get the plum to land on the line about 1 time in six. The rest of the time it landed very close to the line. There were more bars and bells on that side of the reel than the other side.. So you increased your chances of making bar/bell/bell or bell/bell/bar which payed 18 for 1. And you increased your chances of making 3 Bars which payed 50 for 1, and 3 Bells which payed 20 for 1.

This was applied mathematics. It turned a 94% game into a 110% game. I haven't finished to book yet. So we'll see what happens to our heroine in the end.

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[vpFREE] Re: General level of initial play to solicit offers

 

mvetanen wrote: " I also know now that there is a world of difference between 9/6 JOB and 8/5 JOB, where that 97% return rate will make it vastly more expensive to achieve the point goal at the Video Poker coin-in per point, and if 8/5 is all they offer then slots is actually a better alternative for points."

Video Keno can be an option, at least you can tell the hold from the paytable. It's a bit trickier to figure out the hold on a slot, but it can be done:

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[vpFREE] Re: The Original Machine Pros

 

WRX, I wonder if anyone was ever prosecuted for rhythm playing under that law. I would have to say "good luck proving your case" to any prosecutor who tried to get a conviction. According to Jackie Shirley the very first rhythm player was a man who showed up in Las Vegas in 1946. The casinos couldn't figure him out. But then the man made a very strange move. He opened up a school and charged people to teach them rhythm play. In 1951 the manufacturers installed a device in every machine called a variator that varied the speed of the reels. This put the rhythm players out of business. That is, until the 1970's when the variator was figured out. Another thing occcurred in the 70's. Dollar slots were introduced to Nevada. Before that it was just pennies, nickels and quarters, according to Shirley.

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[vpFREE] Vegas Values Report - 14 JUN 2015

 

Vegas Values Report - 14 JUN 2015

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[vpFREE] Re: General level of initial play to solicit offers

 

vp_wiz said:

"Play frequency rather than daily play strength tends to be the key qualification."

This echos what a lot of what the more serious and dedicated casino players have told me as well. Being seen 6+ times a year (every 8 weeks) with an average play-though of $80,000 per trip at _Insert name of downtown casino_ will generate some great offers. On the strip then the $150,000 per trip makes sense then.

I have been told that what my goals and intentions are is very important. Slots you can generate points fast, but it cost you more, where as the same points with video poker will take a lot longer to generate. Depending on the casino table games may be a viable alternative to Video poker. I was told that green chip level of table play for 4 hours a day in a Down Town LV casino, and if properly rated, will generate free rooms, free play chips and some free meals. On the strip it takes black chip level of play to achieve the same.

I have tested myself and can put in 8+ hours playing Video Poker a day broken in to 2 hour sessions. It is not as easy as it sounds and it can become tedious and monotonous at times. I also know now that there is a world of difference between 9/6 JOB and 8/5 JOB, where that 97% return rate will make it vastly more expensive to achieve the point goal at the Video Poker coin-in per point, and if 8/5 is all they offer then slots is actually a better alternative for points.

I also have learned that money management is everything if you wish to pursue a casino lifestyle. I once meet one of those Poker Stars guys and asked what the secret was, and he said:

"Everyone plays poker the same way, but the same guys who end up in the finals year after year are expert money managers".

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[vpFREE] Golden Nugget Las Vegas Database

 

It appears there are just three machines with 9/6 Jacks or Better remaining. All 3 contain $5/$10/$25 denomination and have stickers that they require $25 per point.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: General level of initial play to solicit offers

 

WRX gives excellent advice here. And I'll take it a step further. Even for non-locals, the specific area for your address can affect your offers.

In 2013-14 I maintained addresses both in SoCal and the Bay Area. My DL showed the SoCal address.

My offers from Atlantis in Reno were all named "Western Regional" blahblahblah while they had a SoCal address on file for me. But when I changed to start using my Bay Area address, my offers no longer had the Western Regional moniker (and were about 30% worse overall).

As a SoCal person my offers were 3 free nights any time during the month plus $X in free play. When they viewed me as a Bay Area player everything changed to this weekend for 2 nights, that weekend for 3 nights, this weekend 3 nights plus FP, that weekend 2 nights plus extra points (comps).

Obviously their logic was a Bay Area player could drive over any time and they curated my offers by week. But a SoCal player was "making a trip" and needed flexibility.

I changed my address back to SoCal eight months later, and my offers went back to Western Regional.

> On Jun 13, 2015, at 12:19 PM, WRX wrx144@gmail.com [vpFREE] <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> A sometimes-important question is, should I give a local or out of town
> address? It's easy enough to appear to reside wherever you like, by
> renting a private post office box. These have addresses that are
> indistinguishable from apartment numbers. If staff ask why the address
> is different from what's on your driver's license, you can say that you
> just moved, or better that you're bicoastal, because of your work
> schedule. The question of local vs. out of town address is particularly
> important in Las Vegas, where the two categories of player often get
> dramatically different offers. As a rule (another broad generalization
> here), you'll do better at Strip casinos, and fancy places that consider
> themselves honorary Strip casinos, with an out of town address, and do
> better elsewhere with a local address. But an unfortunate syndrome with
> the Strip casinos is that they dramatically overvalue hotel rooms. That
> means that offers will include free rooms, but the free play will be cut
> excessively to pay for this. And another unfortunate syndrome is that
> offers for locals are often broken down into an excessive number of
> small installments through the month, such that it's going to be very
> hard and inefficient to redeem them all.

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[vpFREE] Re: General level of initial play to solicit offers

 

Mvetanen wrote, "On one trip to LAS from PDX, I meet two guys who flying
on the same jet to LV as I was who said they live on playing Ultimate X
at CET properties. The key he said was to be seen as a high roller by
the casinos, and then you get the offers that make it worth your time to
fly to LV and play. On this particular trip both of them got $3000 free
play offers from CET and they intended to only stay one night, play
though the free play and head back the next day."

Before anyone goes out and risks a lot of money, consider that it's
probably a poor time to try this at CET Las Vegas properties.
Post-bankruptcy, the offers that people have been receiving in recent
months have plummeted

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[vpFREE] Re: The Original Machine Pros

 

Mickey Crimm wrote, "I think I've stumbled onto some fascinating history
about old time machine pros that my generation knew nothing about, the
rythm players."

Apparently this really was possible with some of the old mechanical
equipment, as hard to believe as it may seem. One of the things still
defined by Nevada Revised Statutes sec. 465.070 as a fraudulent act is,
"To manipulate, with the intent to cheat, any component of a gaming
device in a manner contrary to the designed and normal operational
purpose for the component, including, but not limited to, varying the
pull of the handle of a slot machine, with knowledge that the
manipulation affects the outcome of the game or with knowledge of any
event that affects the outcome of the game."

To me, this is remarkable, in that pulling the handle was something
every player had to do. I guess you'd call this an example of Nevada
government making it a crime to use your brain inside a casino.

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