On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 6:28 PM, margaret <prhmmm@yahoo.com> wrote:
> just returned from a worthless trip to blackhawk colorado..two days driving
> only to find that 95% of the games that are posted on this site are not there..
> if you are going to have info posted on video poker for members it should be
> correct.expensive trip for nothing..
You should ask for your money back. Hell, demand double your money back.
I assume you did a detailed inventory so vpFREE2 can be brought up to date.
Re: [vpFREE] fortune valley casino ,,blackhawk colorado
[vpFREE] Re: Colorado Video Poker/Central City-Blackhawk
I concur. FV wasn't bad by Colorado standards until just lately. But with a scattering of 9/6 JB, NSUD, 10/6/40 DDB and Super Aces Bonus with points and very limited bounceback you can still go over 100% in Colorado but nothing worth chasing anymore, not like 5-15 years ago when you had outrageous cashback and multipliers and drawings and strong bounceback coupons. All pretty much gone now or greatly reduced. Nothing playable in Cripple Creek at all, but it is still rustic and in a very pretty setting.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jim_mason7" <7711-jimmason@...> wrote:
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> Be Aware-Colorado Video poker law prohibits any game which
> pays back over 100%. I live in Boulder and do not bother to
> drive 45 minutes for sub-full pay games. A couple of casinos
> have 9-6JB with points, but still are not over 100%. I save my
> $$$ for Vegas where I do have an advantage. VP is fun,
> but I am not addicted to playing(even when the location is near by)
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> "We have met the enemy and he is short pay VP machines"-Skip Hughes-rip
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> Best bet is to get a comp room, food and enjoy the Colorado Rocky Mountain High(and maybe hit a royal)
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[vpFREE] Colorado Video Poker/Central City-Blackhawk
Be Aware-Colorado Video poker law prohibits any game which
pays back over 100%. I live in Boulder and do not bother to
drive 45 minutes for sub-full pay games. A couple of casinos
have 9-6JB with points, but still are not over 100%. I save my
$$$ for Vegas where I do have an advantage. VP is fun,
but I am not addicted to playing(even when the location is near by)
"We have met the enemy and he is short pay VP machines"-Skip Hughes-rip
Best bet is to get a comp room, food and enjoy the Colorado Rocky Mountain High(and maybe hit a royal)
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Re: [vpFREE] fortune valley casino ,,blackhawk colorado
I planed a trip last summer to Black Hawk and asked the locals for info and got VERY little help. I do not think the locals are into keeping up the info. I am sorry to hear about the downgrades, I plan on going back this year for a fishing trip. Thanks Mike
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Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 01:28:29
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Subject: [vpFREE] fortune valley casino ,,blackhawk colorado
just returned from a worthless trip to blackhawk colorado..two days driving only to find that 95% of the games that are posted on this site are not there..if you are going to have info posted on video poker for members it should be correct.expensive trip for nothing..oh by the way i asked what was going on and turns out they were bought out in january and the new owners hate video poker players..
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[vpFREE] Re: fortune valley casino ,,blackhawk colorado
"margaret" wrote:
> just returned from a worthless trip to blackhawk
> colorado..two days driving only
> to find that 95% of the games that are posted on this site
> are not there..if you
> are going to have info posted on video poker for members it
> should be
> correct.expensive trip for nothing..oh by the way i asked
> what was going on and
> turns out they were bought out in january and the new
> owners hate video poker players..
The vpFREE2 database depends on users like you to submit updates
whenever they see something on the site that needs to be changed.
Some casinos have a volunteer monitor but they are not required to
scout their casinos.
Apparently no users have been interested in submitting updates for
Fortune Valley Casino, so it has become out of date.
I am forwarding your post to vpFREE2 administration.
vpFREE Administrator
[vpFREE] fortune valley casino ,,blackhawk colorado
just returned from a worthless trip to blackhawk colorado..two days driving only to find that 95% of the games that are posted on this site are not there..if you are going to have info posted on video poker for members it should be correct.expensive trip for nothing..oh by the way i asked what was going on and turns out they were bought out in january and the new owners hate video poker players..
[vpFREE] Moment of glory at Atlantis Casino Reno
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT1FUQIRUbM
Stuart (RandomStu)
http://stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com/
Re: [vpFREE] Re: A video keno puzzzler
Agree the most common answer or "mode" is 1. The "median" is 3.
If there are S "stop" doors and G "go" doors, the general answer for the mean on
a problem of this nature is (G + S + 1)/(S + 1) for S >=1 and just G if S = 0.
The special case identified here is indeed (15 + 5 + 1)/(5 + 1) = 3 1/2.
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From: Tom Robertson <007@embarqmail.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, April 3, 2011 4:51:51 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: A video keno puzzzler
Probably flawed? You and Harry posted your answers at the same minute, so you
and he were probably working independently, and, without looking at either of
your messages, losing my virginity at using Excel spreadsheets, I did it
essentially the way Harry described and came up with the same answer, so I'd be
very surprised to discover that it wasn't right.
4 being the most common number? Wouldn't 1 be, with each additional number
being somewhat less likely?
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>probably other errors. My probably flawed answer was 3.5 doors. The most
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>in advantage play. I see more and more of them these days. They can't be fully
>analyzed by existing commercial software. Here's what this 8-SPOT video keno
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>and 5 of 7, and 4 of 8 and 4 of 7. I went on up the line with this but culled
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[vpFREE] Re: "Abbrev" 7* Annual Trip / Dinner / Cruise Report
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "ukstages" <takeme2london@...> wrote:
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Sorry about that ... I was referring to reception.
[vpFREE] Re: "Abbrev" 7* Annual Trip / Dinner / Cruise Report
has caesars recently reopened its seven stars lounge?
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>(Interestingly, the rep in the 7* lounge suggested we check out the Forum Tower suites next visit, indicating we wouldn't be disappointed.)
[vpFREE] Re: Pick up a quarter in a casino... goto jail....
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
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> The years 92 to 96 were a real oddyssey for me. Towns like Dutch >Harbor, Tupelo, Las Vegas, Seattle, Rapid City, Deadwood, Jackson >Hole, Bozeman, Frisco, Glenwood Springs, Cripple Creek, Blackhawk, >Tama, Mount Pleasant, Mesa, Tucson, Albuquerque, Laughlin come to >mind.
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I'll make some XVP posts on the towns involved in my 92 to 96 Oddyssey. How I got there, what I was doing there, etc. They were all intertwined with my learning curve in gambling. I'll start with Dutch Harbor in April of 1992 when a watershed event occurred in my life. I'll end with Laughlin in October of 1996. I'll do it as time permits.
P.S. My first comped meal in Las Vegas was at the Las Vegas Rescue Mission. A bowl of beans and all the bread I could eat.
Re: [vpFREE] Re: A video keno puzzzler
Probably flawed? You and Harry posted your answers at the same minute, so you and he were probably working independently, and, without looking at either of your messages, losing my virginity at using Excel spreadsheets, I did it essentially the way Harry described and came up with the same answer, so I'd be very surprised to discover that it wasn't right.
4 being the most common number? Wouldn't 1 be, with each additional number being somewhat less likely?
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> > It's these type of video keno games that I think are the wave of the future in advantage play. I see more and more of them these days. They can't be fully analyzed by existing commercial software. Here's what this 8-SPOT video keno play looks like:
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> > 7 of 8.............160 + 2% METER
> > 6 of 8.............19
> > 5 of 8.............11
> > 4 of 8.............4
> > 3 of 8.............1
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[vpFREE] Re: A video keno puzzzler
Wow! Thanks, Harry. Thanks, Robert. I'm going to practice the math until I get it down pat. I think it will be awhile before I get a play on this game. It's still new and the meters are still low. It's an individual progressive but on lots of machines. It looks like I'll have to find one where the 7 of 8 has missed about 5.5 cycles to put it on a playable number. Even then it wouldn't be anything to write home about. The bet is just 50 cents. But I can crank out about 1500 games per hour.
A miss of 5.5 cycles would put 7 of 8 paying a little more than the solid 8, about $420. It would be about a 4.5% edge at that point--with the meter thrown in. About a $35 an hour play. With the number of machines involved I think eventually I'm going to find a few plays at this game.
Thanks again. Take care.
[vpFREE] "Abbrev" 7* Annual Trip / Dinner / Cruise Report
Bev and I returned last night from a blow-out trip from Philly on CE/Harrah's dime last night ... took advantage of 2010 7* annual trip benefit with a 3 night stay at Caesars LV Mar 23-26, doing a blow-out 7* Celebration Dinner for 2 at Eiffel Tower Restaurant, Paris the night of 3/24, seeing Beatles' Love from prime seats 3/25 (covered with RC's courtesy of host), transferring 3/26 to LV for a 7-night Mex "Riviera" sailing on NCL Star.
Caesars served up a top-flight stay in one of their Junior Suites in Palace Tower (the room with the fabled bathrooms, adjoined by a romantic shower stall with twin heads, w/ jacuzzi), overlooking the pools.
Weather was on the cool side and we didn't explore the pool area (plenty of time for sun and water on the upcoming cruise).
It was our first stay in this room and it was a delight. But our favorite room remains the roomier Augustus Tower rooms on the end overlooking the Bellagio fountains. (Interestingly, the rep in the 7* lounge suggested we check out the Forum Tower suites next visit, indicating we wouldn't be disappointed.)
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Play was limited to about 2000 base RC's on the 9/5 JB SP. Absorbed a $1200 loss. I'm embarrassed by the light play, in the face of such a bounty. But absent a good play promotion, it was all I was comfortable putting through on the paytable.
Took advantage of a break on our last full day to put some introductory play across the way at Cosmopolitan. Had time for a modest 4000 points ... not very impressive, but pleased to only incur a $150 loss in putting it through.
Found the casino to be very inviting ... hope to return for a stay.
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The feast of the trip was the tasting menu at Paris, augmented by an additional Champagne and Pate course. We had previously dined here Jan 2, '03 and had doubts that this meal would live up to that remarkable event. Service and food were both over the top and quickly allayed those concerns (as did the remarkable view of the Bellagio fountains ... we were delighted to find that they've reconfigured the window-side "2 tops" so that each chair is now angled toward the window).
A satisfactory first night dinner at Payard in Caesars, and final nights munch at the Bar in Bradley Ogden rounded out the dinner fare this trip. Breakfast/lunch fare was courtesy of buffet coupons ... we did Caesars twice, but was much more impressed with the selections found on the third shot at Planet Hollywood.
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Beatles Love proved to be quite the memorable show. Lighter in tone than some of the more complex Cirque efforts, the music is the obvious highlight, with delightfully choreographed acrobatics and theatrics.
We had 6th row seats, which I judge to be a strong choice for the show. It seemed that the front row seating that juts into the staging is a little too close to take all the action in.
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The cruise was our 5th NCL sailing. Ship was quite familiar, with very modest twists vs. other NCL ships.
One disappointment was to find that there were cabins located above our upgrade on Deck 11 (we pay up for a mini-suite for the comfort of the modest added space and curtain that separates the sofa from the bed -- permitting me to nap while Bev reads). There were "Family Suites" on this ship on 12, and a steady pounding on the ceiling the first afternoon alerted us to a full complement above. Fortunately, they quieted down significantly for the balance of the sailing. (There was a larger than usual number of families with younger children this cruise, taking advantage of school breaks.)
The itinerary was more limited than most of our NCL cruises to date, with only 3 ports of call. Due to reports of incidental violence, the stop at Matzalan was canceled, with 2 consecutive stops at Cabo San Lucas scheduled instead. (We stayed on ship the first day, taking advantage of the quieter ship, as we did with the last port of Puerto Vallarta -- where we had vacationed a week in November.)
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All in all, a thoroughly relaxing, heaven-sent holiday!
- Harry