[vpFREE] Re: vpFREE Sunshine Policy on GWAE Radio Show

 

On 4 Feb 2012 at 9:24, Bob Dancer wrote:

> admin corrected what I said on GWAE with:
> "SUNSHINE POLICY: vpFREE members are expected to report
> all attractive games they notice in casinos they visit, unless
> they believe it's better not to publicize the games, either
> for their own benefit or for the video poker community as a
> whole."

> ... Formerly there was an additional part to the Sunshine Policy
> that said something like any game the vpFREE Administrator
> becomes aware of will be posted for all to know about. Has that
> part of the policy been eliminated as well? That's actually the part
> of the policy I intended to refer to.

That was part of the original Sunshine Policy before it was revised a
few years ago.

vpFREE Administrator

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[vpFREE] Re: Planned Vegas Trip

 

"...And who remembers the Odyssey VP with the bonus feature on those machines?..."

Bonus Round Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wef5WVEs4Vc

My recollection was 10/7 DB at Golden Nugget in Laughlin.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, TedChee@... wrote:
>
> I'd normally agree with your choices but here was the original request:
>
> "I'm hunting for a single casino where I can play VP with the only object
> to get comped for my room and food. My bankroll is limited, perhaps $3,000.
> Certainly I don't require an expensive room or 5-star dining!"
>
> I've never played at Ellis Island but I did dine there as a guest of some
> local high-rollers & didn't get food poisoning. Locals recommend it due to
> the long-time dining privileges which I'll leave for someone else to
> describe. El Cortez, I also haven't stayed there either but did book a room which
> was like straight out of the '50s & made a mental note to myself that I
> would use it in the future if I needed to be Downtown. If was across the
> street from the casino & access was guarded & required a room key. I avoided El
> Cortez for years due to an image from a decade ago but I haven't
> experienced any of it in the last 3 visits last year. Re Terribles, I'll defer to
> your opinion since I haven't been there in a couple of years but this used to
> be one of the best places to gamble & I'd invite Jean Scott to weigh in
> with her insight since she used to gamble there frequently. Sam's Town - it's
> been over a decade since I've been there so I can't comment about its
> current state but that's a curious one to bring up since it's so far from the
> Strip. Rampart is also an odd one due to its distance.
>
> However, Rampart is a past favorite of mine. If anyone has the time, please
> give us an update.
>
> Since I've cut down my LV trips in frequency & duration, I don't have as
> much time as before to visit some of the outlying casinos. It used to be the
> best plays were in the off-Strip casinos & it's probably still that way.
> However, to maximize you have to be a local because the incentives are
> normally oriented toward getting you to show up on a frequent basis. Walk down
> memory lane, Santa Fe & AZ Charlies was where I played the first multi-line
> games (by Silicon Gaming) & it was FP Jokers Wild with 4700 RF. And who
> remembers the Odeyssey VP with the bonus feature on those machines?
>
>
> In a message dated 2/3/2012 8:52:14 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> vpFREE@yahoogroups.com writes:
>
> _Re: [vpFREE] Planned Vegas Trip _
> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vpFREE/message/119187;_ylc=X3oDMTJzZTcxdWtyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzQ2NDEwMTcEZ3Jwc3B
> JZAMxNzA1MDY1NzMyBG1zZ0lkAzExOTE4NwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMzI4Mjg
> 3OTMw)
> Posted by: "rob.singer1111@..." _rob.singer1111@... _
> (mailto:rob.singer1111@...?Subject= Re:%20[vpFREE]%20Planned%20Vegas%20Trip)
> _rob.singer1111 _ (http://profiles.yahoo.com/rob.singer1111)
> Thu Feb 2, 2012 8:55 pm (PST)
>
>
> If I were just starting out I'd stick with Tuscany out of that group and I
> wouldn't go near El Cortez, Terribles, Sam's Town, or esp. Ellis Island.
> The gross-out factor weighs far greater with me than whatever a property
> offers for vp.
>
> Don't get the wrong impression on your initial trip: visit the M, South
> Point, Rampart, or even the Orleans or any of the beautiful hotels on and
> around the Strip.
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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[vpFREE] Re: Planned Vegas Trip

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, TedChee@... wrote:
> I've never played at Ellis Island but I did dine there as a guest of  some
> local high-rollers & didn't get food poisoning. Locals recommend it due  to
> the long-time dining privileges which I'll leave for someone else to 
> describe.

Ellis Island monthly mailers have a lot of food coupons, available only to locals.

> However, Rampart is a past favorite of mine. If anyone has the time, please
>  give us an update.

Rampart is OK as usual. Cannery Resorts will no longer be leasing and
managing this casino as of 4/1/12. Probably means changes are coming, good or bad.

> However, to maximize you have to be a local because the incentives are 
> normally oriented toward getting you to show up on a frequent basis. Walk down 
> memory lane, Santa Fe & AZ Charlies was where I played the first multi-line 
> games (by Silicon Gaming) & it was FP Jokers Wild with 4700 RF. And who 
> remembers the Odeyssey VP with the bonus feature on those machines?

Oh yeah.     

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[vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 31 JAN 2012

 

Good questions for the Wizard.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Tom Robertson <007@...> wrote:
>
> How does he know that each stop has the same probability of occurring?
> It doesn't on machines with physical reels. I've never heard of a
> machine with different numbers of stops on different reels, also.
>
> nightoftheiguana wrote:
>
> >On a related note, here is the Wizard's description of how he took some random slot results (212 spins) and figured out the game with them:
> >http://wizardofodds.com/games/slots/jackpot-party/
> >
> >You can apply the same concept to video poker, there are 52 possible first cards, within 52 to 300 spins or so you should see all of them in that position at least once. The second spot has 51 cards, and so on. Each spot is supposed to be independent, with the one exception that no card should repeat, the deck is not infinite but is depleted by each draw. As a simple example, here are my one card draws from a deck of the five broadway cards:
> >
> >KQKJQKQJAAKJT
> >
> >13 draws: 2A, 4K, 3Q, 3J, 1T
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@> wrote:
> >>
> >> This is just a minor point, but you could flip a coin (many times, of course) to determine if it was exactly balanced, and people have done just this, and it turns out most coins are not balanced. And (hopefully) Nevada Gaming Regulators do the equivalent when they test machines for randomness. Or do they just outsource the job to China?
> >>
> >> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/56411/how-to-test-randomness-case-in-point-shuffling
> >>
> >> The wikipedia article:
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin_flipping
> >> says most people coin flip with biases in the range of ".495 or .503".
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@> wrote:
> >> > It would be like flipping two coins and trying to infer from the results which one had more heads on it. Look at the coins, make sure they have both heads and a tails for sides, but for goodness sake don't flip them and record the results to learn anything more.
> >>
> >
>

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[vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 31 JAN 2012

 

nightoftheiguana2000 wrote:
>
> On a related note, here is the Wizard's description of how he took some random slot results (212 spins) and figured out the game with them:
> http://wizardofodds.com/games/slots/jackpot-party/
>
> You can apply the same concept to video poker

Well, within some constraints. The key constraint is that Michael presumed for the slot game that the symbol distribution was random. Piece of cake, once you make that presumption.

When you start questioning the randomness (the initial subject you raised in this thread), evaluating expected return becomes much more complex. (For example, just because symbols occur on each reel with an observed frequency doesn't mean that the reels operate independently of each other).

Ditto, when it comes to vp evaluation when fairness comes into question.

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 31 JAN 2012

 

How does he know that each stop has the same probability of occurring?
It doesn't on machines with physical reels. I've never heard of a
machine with different numbers of stops on different reels, also.

nightoftheiguana wrote:

>On a related note, here is the Wizard's description of how he took some random slot results (212 spins) and figured out the game with them:
>http://wizardofodds.com/games/slots/jackpot-party/
>
>You can apply the same concept to video poker, there are 52 possible first cards, within 52 to 300 spins or so you should see all of them in that position at least once. The second spot has 51 cards, and so on. Each spot is supposed to be independent, with the one exception that no card should repeat, the deck is not infinite but is depleted by each draw. As a simple example, here are my one card draws from a deck of the five broadway cards:
>
>KQKJQKQJAAKJT
>
>13 draws: 2A, 4K, 3Q, 3J, 1T
>
>
>
>--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:
>>
>> This is just a minor point, but you could flip a coin (many times, of course) to determine if it was exactly balanced, and people have done just this, and it turns out most coins are not balanced. And (hopefully) Nevada Gaming Regulators do the equivalent when they test machines for randomness. Or do they just outsource the job to China?
>>
>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/56411/how-to-test-randomness-case-in-point-shuffling
>>
>> The wikipedia article:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin_flipping
>> says most people coin flip with biases in the range of ".495 or .503".
>>
>>
>> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@> wrote:
>> > It would be like flipping two coins and trying to infer from the results which one had more heads on it. Look at the coins, make sure they have both heads and a tails for sides, but for goodness sake don't flip them and record the results to learn anything more.
>>
>

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Re: [vpFREE] XVP - Uh, about those Gingrich donations from Sheldon...

 

This general subject interests me, am looking for a forum to discuss it rationally. Regardless of anyone's political views, Adelson seems to be unusual for a casino magnate regarding ethics, morality etc. Non gambling southern Baptist ordained minister, and ex governor Huckabee has even done his weekly TV show from the Venetian on a few occasions. Huckabee is so conservative he pretended to not understand the joke Rita Rudner told when sharing the stage with Adelson who talked about the convention business mostly
 
 
Rita Rudner: "I had a mammogram last week and the place I went to had a two drink minimum."


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From: mikeymic <mikeymic@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 3:32 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] XVP - Uh, about those Gingrich donations from Sheldon...


 

Just saw this is YAHOO! news.

http://news.yahoo.com/bribes-chinese-mob-ties-alleged-casino-gingrich-money-143856382--abc-news.html

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[vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 31 JAN 2012

 

On a related note, here is the Wizard's description of how he took some random slot results (212 spins) and figured out the game with them:
http://wizardofodds.com/games/slots/jackpot-party/

You can apply the same concept to video poker, there are 52 possible first cards, within 52 to 300 spins or so you should see all of them in that position at least once. The second spot has 51 cards, and so on. Each spot is supposed to be independent, with the one exception that no card should repeat, the deck is not infinite but is depleted by each draw. As a simple example, here are my one card draws from a deck of the five broadway cards:

KQKJQKQJAAKJT

13 draws: 2A, 4K, 3Q, 3J, 1T

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:
>
> This is just a minor point, but you could flip a coin (many times, of course) to determine if it was exactly balanced, and people have done just this, and it turns out most coins are not balanced. And (hopefully) Nevada Gaming Regulators do the equivalent when they test machines for randomness. Or do they just outsource the job to China?
>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/56411/how-to-test-randomness-case-in-point-shuffling
>
> The wikipedia article:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin_flipping
> says most people coin flip with biases in the range of ".495 or .503".
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@> wrote:
> > It would be like flipping two coins and trying to infer from the results which one had more heads on it. Look at the coins, make sure they have both heads and a tails for sides, but for goodness sake don't flip them and record the results to learn anything more.
>

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[vpFREE] Re: Aqueduct Racino N.Y. Baccarrat games Random...Might be..

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tomflush" <tomflush@...> wrote:
>
> I think I explained , in a previous memo, how easy it would be to write
> computer software that did a 12% hold , yet looked random. I'm going to
> guess that its the old bait and switch. It may be fair now, but a quick
> switch of the ROM's and all of a sudden, everybodys on a losing streak and
> you give it all back blaming it on short term luck !
>

Tom I'm no computer expert at all but I can see the cards being dealt with the mechanical hand. As pointed out by a previous poster bacarrat has people betting on both sides. Unlike for example craps where 99%-100% of all the bettors are on one side so a seven out helps the house immensely.
I'm thinking there are three possibilities :
1. Tom is right and in fact the game is "fixed" in some way that my dull brain can't realize.
2. The game might technically be illegal in NY but no one has picked it up or cares because it is not a slot/VP machine.
3. It is legal because the player cannot influence the outcome of the game.

Larry F.

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RE: [vpFREE] vpFREE Sunshine Policy on GWAE Radio Show

 


padmin corrected what I said on GWAE with: "SUNSHINE POLICY: vpFREE members are expected to report
all attractive games they notice in casinos they visit, unless
they believe it's better not to publicize the games, either
for their own benefit or for the video poker community as a
whole."
I apologize for my mistake. I value vpFREE and the work the Administrator has done and continues to do. Formerly there was an additional part to the Sunshine Policy that said something like any game the vpFREE Administrator becomes aware of will be posted for all to know about. Has that part of the policy been eliminated as well? That's actually the part of the policy I intended to refer to. Bob


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Re: [vpFREE] Planned Vegas Trip

 

Of course there's more to it than "I don't require an expensive room or 5-star dining!".  One post recommended being open to the sublime and wonderful casino.  I shouldn't be looking for the drab and defunct, when making a choice of my "first destination," my home casino.  And the casino being hungry isn't sufficient, either.  A good operator knows an inspired comps program is a prerequisite to attracting crowds of happy gamblers!  When the bean-counters take over casino operation, a decent comps program will be the first to go.
 
Examine what happened to Binion's Horseshoe (and Union Plaza and Las Vegas Club).  Benny Binion laid down a completely original and powerful foundation, and the result was Binion's became the world's best at poker (witness the World Series of Poker) and also the very best in the world at craps.  Not only that they were right near the top at blackjack.  I watched this personally, starting in 1987.  I haven't been interested in VP until now, but I'll bet Benny was real, real generous in that area too!  He sure installed great low prices on food, and I could go on and on about that.  When Benny died the slide began.  It ended up being sold for taxes.  Instructive.  Same with Union Plaza and Las Vegas.  When Jackie Gaughan owned them his name was plastered right on the building, in great big letters!  And Jackie tried to outdo Benny.  No doubt Las Vegas Club had the most generous blackjack anywhere.  But when Jackie sold out, it was just a
matter of time and these places would become just a shadow of their former self; El Cortez, which is where Jackie lives to this day (and at advanced age), apparently has also suffered with new ownership.
 
I've selected Main Street Station as my home casino, subject to change of course.  Their buffet is super, and also affordable (morning to night, too).  Their location kitty-corner to the city bus terminal means the #108 bus is for all practical purposes the Main St shuttle from the airport!  A Boyd property, I'm wondering if what I'm learning about comps in Jean Scotts' "More Frugal Gambling" will apply.  I sure hope so.  The vpFREE2 database shows Main St. #7 among 485 casinos statewide, another plus for me.  Further, vpFREE2 leads me to JB (Jacks or Better) and DB (Double Bonus), as games I must learn.  After all I'll be a beginner at VP, and I love the challenge!  Paymer's VP software will be mine, a super duper product.  JB and DB are low volatility games, so I'll also select a high volatility game to learn, possibly DDB.
 
This is a time of great changes for me, as I expect to show up monthly in LV, primarily to play VP.  I appreciate much the very substantial help I've been getting from the vpFREE members!  Thank You!
 

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From: "TedChee@aol.com" <TedChee@aol.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2012 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Planned Vegas Trip

 
I'd normally agree with your choices but here was the original request:

"I'm hunting for a single casino where I can play VP with the only object
to get comped for my room and food. My bankroll is limited, perhaps $3,000.
Certainly I don't require an expensive room or 5-star dining!"

I've never played at Ellis Island but I did dine there as a guest of some
local high-rollers & didn't get food poisoning. Locals recommend it due to
the long-time dining privileges which I'll leave for someone else to
describe. El Cortez, I also haven't stayed there either but did book a room which
was like straight out of the '50s & made a mental note to myself that I
would use it in the future if I needed to be Downtown. If was across the
street from the casino & access was guarded & required a room key. I avoided El
Cortez for years due to an image from a decade ago but I haven't
experienced any of it in the last 3 visits last year. Re Terribles, I'll defer to
your opinion since I haven't been there in a couple of years but this used to
be one of the best places to gamble & I'd invite Jean Scott to weigh in
with her insight since she used to gamble there frequently. Sam's Town - it's
been over a decade since I've been there so I can't comment about its
current state but that's a curious one to bring up since it's so far from the
Strip. Rampart is also an odd one due to its distance.

However, Rampart is a past favorite of mine. If anyone has the time, please
give us an update.

Since I've cut down my LV trips in frequency & duration, I don't have as
much time as before to visit some of the outlying casinos. It used to be the
best plays were in the off-Strip casinos & it's probably still that way.
However, to maximize you have to be a local because the incentives are
normally oriented toward getting you to show up on a frequent basis. Walk down
memory lane, Santa Fe & AZ Charlies was where I played the first multi-line
games (by Silicon Gaming) & it was FP Jokers Wild with 4700 RF. And who
remembers the Odeyssey VP with the bonus feature on those machines?

In a message dated 2/3/2012 8:52:14 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
vpFREE@yahoogroups.com writes:

_Re: [vpFREE] Planned Vegas Trip _
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JZAMxNzA1MDY1NzMyBG1zZ0lkAzExOTE4NwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMzI4Mjg
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Posted by: "rob.singer1111@yahoo.com" _rob.singer1111@yahoo.com _
(mailto:rob.singer1111@yahoo.com?Subject= Re:%20[vpFREE]%20Planned%20Vegas%20Trip)
_rob.singer1111 _ (http://profiles.yahoo.com/rob.singer1111)
Thu Feb 2, 2012 8:55 pm (PST)

If I were just starting out I'd stick with Tuscany out of that group and I
wouldn't go near El Cortez, Terribles, Sam's Town, or esp. Ellis Island.
The gross-out factor weighs far greater with me than whatever a property
offers for vp.

Don't get the wrong impression on your initial trip: visit the M, South
Point, Rampart, or even the Orleans or any of the beautiful hotels on and
around the Strip.

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[vpFREE] LVA Question of the Day - 4 FEB 2012

 

LVA Question of the Day - 4 FEB 2012

Q: Some years back, I remember a cocktail waitress at the
MGM in Reno (now the Grand Sierra Resort) refusing to serve
beer to a couple of guys. She explained to them that it's 18
to gamble, but 21 to drink. Does my memory serve me well? If
so, when did the age to gamble change? Thanks in advance.

Read the answer here:

http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/qod.cfm

<a href="http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/qod.cfm">
http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/qod.cfm</a>

NOTE: vpFREE access to the Question of the Day link has
been approved by LVA and expires after the current day
for non-LVA members.

*************************************************
This link is posted for informational purposes
and doesn't constitute an endorsement or approval
of the linked article's content by vpFREE. Any
discussion of the article must be done in
accordance with vpFREE's rules and policies.
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Re: [vpFREE] Planned Vegas Trip

 

I'd normally agree with your choices but here was the original request:

"I'm hunting for a single casino where I can play VP with the only object
to get comped for my room and food. My bankroll is limited, perhaps $3,000.
Certainly I don't require an expensive room or 5-star dining!"

I've never played at Ellis Island but I did dine there as a guest of some
local high-rollers & didn't get food poisoning. Locals recommend it due to
the long-time dining privileges which I'll leave for someone else to
describe. El Cortez, I also haven't stayed there either but did book a room which
was like straight out of the '50s & made a mental note to myself that I
would use it in the future if I needed to be Downtown. If was across the
street from the casino & access was guarded & required a room key. I avoided El
Cortez for years due to an image from a decade ago but I haven't
experienced any of it in the last 3 visits last year. Re Terribles, I'll defer to
your opinion since I haven't been there in a couple of years but this used to
be one of the best places to gamble & I'd invite Jean Scott to weigh in
with her insight since she used to gamble there frequently. Sam's Town - it's
been over a decade since I've been there so I can't comment about its
current state but that's a curious one to bring up since it's so far from the
Strip. Rampart is also an odd one due to its distance.

However, Rampart is a past favorite of mine. If anyone has the time, please
give us an update.

Since I've cut down my LV trips in frequency & duration, I don't have as
much time as before to visit some of the outlying casinos. It used to be the
best plays were in the off-Strip casinos & it's probably still that way.
However, to maximize you have to be a local because the incentives are
normally oriented toward getting you to show up on a frequent basis. Walk down
memory lane, Santa Fe & AZ Charlies was where I played the first multi-line
games (by Silicon Gaming) & it was FP Jokers Wild with 4700 RF. And who
remembers the Odeyssey VP with the bonus feature on those machines?


In a message dated 2/3/2012 8:52:14 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
vpFREE@yahoogroups.com writes:

_Re: [vpFREE] Planned Vegas Trip _
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vpFREE/message/119187;_ylc=X3oDMTJzZTcxdWtyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzQ2NDEwMTcEZ3Jwc3B
JZAMxNzA1MDY1NzMyBG1zZ0lkAzExOTE4NwRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMzI4Mjg
3OTMw)
Posted by: "rob.singer1111@yahoo.com" _rob.singer1111@yahoo.com _
(mailto:rob.singer1111@yahoo.com?Subject= Re:%20[vpFREE]%20Planned%20Vegas%20Trip)
_rob.singer1111 _ (http://profiles.yahoo.com/rob.singer1111)
Thu Feb 2, 2012 8:55 pm (PST)

If I were just starting out I'd stick with Tuscany out of that group and I
wouldn't go near El Cortez, Terribles, Sam's Town, or esp. Ellis Island.
The gross-out factor weighs far greater with me than whatever a property
offers for vp.

Don't get the wrong impression on your initial trip: visit the M, South
Point, Rampart, or even the Orleans or any of the beautiful hotels on and
around the Strip.

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