FW: [vpFREE] Re: Harrah's Backrooms and Trespasses 86 year old Great Grandmother

 



A lot has been mentioned about the fact that they cannot take you in the
back room legally. I am curious as to why you did not put your foot down and
state that you would leave and not allow them to take you anywhere?

>
> No, I'm not kidding. This afternoon six security personnel surrounded my
Mother and me at a mid-continent Harrah's property, escorted us to a back
room and read us a trespass statement. It was comprehensive for all 31
Caesar's Entertainment properties.
>

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[vpFREE] Re: 4 Queens progressive question

 

Tom,

I played that game briefly a year ago. At that time it 85/35.

Don

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tomflush" <tomflush@...> wrote:
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> Does anybody know if the bartop joker progressives at the four queens are 90/35 or 85/35 type ?
> thanks in advance...Tom
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[vpFREE] Re: Harrah's Backrooms and Trespasses 86 year old Great Grandmother

 

my goohish Harrahs now like abusing our senior citzens. Particulary one who have physical disaplies and need help in order to play thier machines. You should be ashamed Harrahs.

Paul Skofield

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "carter561@..." <carter561@...> wrote:
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> No, I'm not kidding. This afternoon six security personnel surrounded my Mother and me at a mid-continent Harrah's property, escorted us to a back room and read us a trespass statement. It was comprehensive for all 31 Caesar's Entertainment properties.
>
> The reason for me was "Total Rewards violation, running multiple accounts", apparently because my spouse and I play on each others' cards. I also play for my Mother occasionally due to her arthritis. In addition to that, in the last two months I had given 1 hour video poker lessons to our neighbor and her son (a total of four lessons each). In those lessons, I pushed the buttons while explaining the holds. Their slot cards were in the machines. I also coached the neighbors at our favorite game, Craps.
>
> No reason was given for my Mother's trespass.
>
> My spouse, who was not present, was trespassed in absentia, also without any explanation.
>
> Yes, there is more to the story. During those months, we were all earning entries to drawings, and we were all called in those drawings 2-4 times each out of about 100 total pulls. It was not disproportionate, but the neighbor's son and my Mom each happened to win a grand prize.
>
> Although I could be accused of a degree of poor judgement for involving the neighbors, I think this action is outrageously out of proportion to the offense. For the action to be taken without any warning or indication that there was a problem, on customer with 16 years of loyalty at the property seems to me to be just ludicrous! Finally, for a clearly local matter to contaminate our good name at properties across the country is just crazy. It seems obvious to me that we would not take our neighbors with us to Vegas or Tahoe.
>
> I'd like to see the press pick this up and the responsible party at Harrah's Tunica be publicly embarrassed. I was mortified to come up to my Mother at the Craps table, surrounded by security guards as if I were a dangerous criminal, ask her to color up, and help her into her wheelchair, explaining to the pit boss who knows us well that we were being kicked out.
>
> I suppose I'm asking for a lot of harsh words, but I wonder what you think.
>

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[vpFREE] Re: Harrah's Backrooms and Trespasses 86 year old Great Grandmother

 

Maybe Carter should ask for reinstatement for himself, Grandma and all else involved. It's kind of apparent they were gunning for Carter.
I suspect Harrah's answer will be no for all.
At that point you got nuttin to lose, except anonymity, going to the newspapers. You may even catch an attorney's attention who may see an opportunity.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
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> Carter, I think your very first move should be to apply, by phone directly to the head of security of the casino in question, for reinstatement. You have the right to do that. Explain your case in a non-threatening manner and ask for redress.
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[vpFREE] Re: Harrah's Backrooms and Trespasses 86 year old Great Grandmother

 

My husband was not there when they backroomed us. All three of us got all of our points from Craps, so there was no way any of us was playing on another card.

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[vpFREE] Re: Harrah's Backrooms and Trespasses 86 year old Great Grandmother

 

Linking separate cards sounds great if action on both cards earns points towards Diamond and 7* on the primary account.
Linking is bogus if it doesn't.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, MHS <mspevack@...> wrote:
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> On 8/27/2011 1:32 PM, RWM wrote:
> >

>"...That sounds as if it's more than playing on each other's cards, if he
> wasn't even there. Total Rewards likes to issue separate cards to
> spouses and then link them...."
>

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[vpFREE] Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 27 AUG 2011

 

Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 27 AUG 2011

"Figuring Out MLife"

http://jscott.lvablog.com/?p=1426

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[vpFREE] Re: Chicken versus gambler question posed on GWAE

 

Bob,

Add some zeros and you would be a chicken too - if the choice was between a guaranteed $1.5 million or the risk of only getting $123,000 what would you do? How about $15 million versus 1.23 million? The fact is people have real lives with real financial needs or goals - and that is virtually everyone - I suspect even Bill Gates would takes the $15 million versus the $1.23 million - after all this is a guy who playes $3-6 limit poker. Most of the readers here are quarter players or below - $1,500 is 1.5 royals - not easy to get - they would be wise to take $1,500 certainty.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bob Dancer <bobdancervp@...> wrote:
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> On last
> night's "Gambling with an Edge," I posed a question that Munchkin and
> I plan to address on the air next Thursday. This might well be a subject that's
> appropriate for discussion here. I don't intend to participate in this
> discussion other than setting it up --- although I will tell you where I stand
> on the issue --- but rather "save" my analysis for "on the air"
> next week.
>
>
>
> In
> September, the Palms Friday-Saturday drawings give the winners a choice. The
> winners can select a guaranteed $1,500, or they can play a game. In this game,
> there four envelopes with a 0, 1, 2, 3 inside in some order. Players arrange
> the envelopes (not knowing what's inside), and then read off the number in
> dollars. The greatest amount you can win is $3,210 and the smallest is $123.
>
>
>
> The average
> (mean) of the equally-likely choices is $1,666.50. The average (median) of the
> choices is anything between $1,320 and $2,013, including, of course, the
> fallback prize of $1,500.
>
>
>
> What we
> call EV (or ER) in video poker is $1,666.50 --- if we're willing to
> "gamble." You could give up about 10% of that, chicken out, and keep the $1,500
> with no gamble.
>
>
>
> To me this
> is a no-brainer. I'd go for the higher-EV option 100% of the time. I'd do it if
> the choice were $1,666.50 versus a guaranteed $1,650. This is not a close
> decision for me. I'm sure many players with chicken out and keep the $1,500.
>
>
>
> What would
> you do? And why?
>
>
>
> I don't
> think there are any "cash versus free play" differences between the
> two choices. Even if there are in the casino, let's ignore them for the sake of
> this discussion.
>
>
>
> Bob
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[vpFREE] NOLA 7* event

 

*anybody else disappointed? *

- *no cashback (maybe some of you did get this in your offer?). *
- *no slot tournament.*
- * i didn't even get any airfare offer.( i assume others did, yes?)*
- * the activities are interesting, i guess, for people who don't
frequent nola, but for those of us who do, they aren't really unusual.*
- * others' thoughts?*

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Harrah's Backrooms and Trespasses 86 year old Great Grandmother

 

On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Mickey <mickeycrimm@yahoo.com> wrote:

<<< Several years ago Harrah's/Reno pitched out a senior citizen. He was a
> small time advantage gambler. About a day and a half of walking around the
> building with a big sign that read "HARRAH'S UNFAIR TO SENIOR CITIZEN'S" got
> him back in the joint. >>>>>>
>

I always thought picketing might be the way to go. I was tempted when Gary
and Karen had me trespassed at Ellis Island. That nice Koval Lane sidewalk
in front seems ideal. Not sure what the legalities are in Clark County.

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[vpFREE] Re: Harrah's Backrooms and Trespasses 86 year old Great Grandmother

 

"...if you are also lucky enough to win a drawing..."
Was there a drawing involved?

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "carter561@..." <carter561@...> wrote:
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> I think you're just trying riff on how crazy this all sounds, but in any case, my Mom doesn't even throw the dice (arthritis). She mostly just places numbers. She was showing her 70 year old neighbor her "system". And the two of them did look like quite a hoot. Way scary to those suits.
>
> I didn't "teach" Craps, of course, since there's no skill in it. And after this, I don't think anyone would stand in line, as playing Craps is apparently enough to get you barred if you are also lucky enough to win a drawing. Craps was the only game my Mom played during the weeks under scrutiny. Perhaps the odd moment on a slot...
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Don parks" <donparks21@> wrote:
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> > I'm in awe.
> >
> > 86 year old Great Grandmother barred at McHarra$$ monopoly at craps table for expert dice setting. Call the media, that would make a great headline.. also standing room only for your craps classes.
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Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 23 AUG 2011

 

Hi Pat.

The second bank of machines is in the middle of the casino between the B
Connected booth and TGI Fridays. Not too far away from the other bank.

Luke

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 7:39 PM, Pat Nashick <patnashick@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I've only seen the .25 cent bank by the buffet. Is there another .25 bank?
> Where? Thanks, Pat
>
>
> From: Luke Fuller <kungalooosh@gmail.com>
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 5:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 23 AUG 2011
>
> A few days ago, the individual progressives were $1,800+, $1,800+, and
> $1,400+. But, I have seen them over $2,000 regularly.
>
> The dealt progressive was $9,600+ at the time I was playing a few days ago.
> It hits fairly often. And, I've seen it over $25,000.
>
> I don't know what these amounts actually add to the 0.99 payback
> percentage. But, it seems to me that this play is often over 100%.
>
> BTW, there are two banks of ten machines (in each bank) with this same
> game. Each bank has its own progressives. So, when one bank of machines
> has lower progressives, I will play on the other bank of machines.
>
> Maybe - according to Bob Dancer - there is more to a play being
> 'intelligent' than just having over 100% payback.
>

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