[vpFREE] Re: Revel-ation

 

You would have pull the card and cash out to accomplish this deception in any casino I'm familiar with. A flush fever type game goes immediately to the bonus rounds making a card pull worthless for hiding win/loss.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
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> At this point I personally don't think that anyone who manipulates the card at Revel is going to get paid. Ultimate X got busted out. If there are any more games at Revel that can thwart the cardreader then they will get busted out too. It's just to easy to catch a card manipulator. I know of at least two more video poker games that will thwart the modern day card readers.
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> Montana has a lot of oddball video poker games that I had never seen before I got here. So I had to analyze them all to see if I could find an advantage. About 6 years ago I analyzed a game called Triple Ace Poker. It's an Aces or Better game with the gimmick that if your final hands contains three Aces or more, the entire payscale is multiplied for the next 8 games. And 3.2 is the average multiplier. I put the game at 97%. The payback of the main game was 79% and the multiplied games represented 18%.
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> I did a hypothetical on "what if this game were at Revel?" On a $400,000 wager you would have a theoretical loss of $12,000, but by pulling the card in the multiplied games you would theoretically show a loss of $84,000.
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> I doubt seriously that Triple Ace Poker can be found at Revel. But the one game I think might be there is the one called Flush Fever on some machines, Hot Flush on other machines, and Flush Bonus on still other machines. I know that many of you know this game. When you make a flush, in the next 7 games you get paid even money for every card of the suit you made the flush in. Bob, go ahead and call Revel and give them the word. LMAO!
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[vpFREE] Scot Krause's LVA Players Club Bonus Points Update - 12 JUL 2013

 

Scot Krause's LVA Players Club Bonus Points Update - 12 JUL 2013

http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/greatdeals-slotpromotions.cfm

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[vpFREE] Re: stations policy on no mailing

 

"Dave" <haaljo@...> wrote:

> Searched vpfree for discussion of Southpoint "no mailing." Didn't get a hit.

There was a lengthy discussion here in 2010 about player restrictions
at the South Point. Here's the start of the thread I found:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vpFREE/message/107033

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[vpFREE] Re: : Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 9 JUL 2013

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, MHS wrote:
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> On 7/12/2013 12:11 PM, Bob Dancer wrote:
> > Would it bother you if a doctor or dentist had both players and
casino executives for patients? Or a grocer sold food to both groups? I
don't see it as a lot different than that to sell information to both
groups.
> > Bob
> Apples and grapefruits. A real analogy would be if the doctor is
dealing
> in or prescribing medications, equipment, insurance or procedures in
> which he has strong financial interests.
>
Ok Please moderator, this is turning out to be another "bashing-on-Bob"
tread!

I personally do not have tolerance to lose $100 DOLLARS in any Casino.
Certanly would not travel across the US just to see what is going on. I
read most treads, but tired of this one. We are now getting way off
track. I see no benefit for me to continue listening to most of the
replies to the negatives. But then this is VPFree

Bob, continue to give your opinion no matter what THEY say!

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RE: [vpFREE] A Little Tipsy

 



From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpFREE@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Tom Robertson
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 11:42 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] A Little Tipsy

A friend told me he got 5 $20s included in an $800 hand pay, he took
his hand away so they couldn't give him the $20s, and they 86ed him.

---Oh, come on! think your friend was a little tipsy when he/she told you
that story! That's highly unlikely. Highly.

Scot

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RE: [vpFREE] Re: Revel-ation

Great post Mickey....looks like that's exactly what happened.
j

To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: mickeycrimm@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 01:11:41 +0000
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Revel-ation


























Hey, I even got out and worked today, hangover and all. Now I'm in the mood for some dead reckoning, Mickey Crimm style.



Back in June Richard Munchkin stated that the Revel promo had the potential to cost them tens of millions of dollars. Probably through the internet forums Revel suits figured out that the high denom video poker would be the target of highly skilled, big bankrolled AP's everywhere. "Aha!" they said "We'll cut them off at the pass!" Three days before the promo started they removed the $25 video poker. "We've got our asses covered now!" they said. All we have to deal with now is the low rollers, $5 and under, they can't hurt us."



I can see the Revel suits standing there with their jaws dropped open on the first day of the promo. All the high denom slots were getting pounded. The Revel suits got caught with their pants down. They didn't know that the high denom slots would be the backup plan of the bigtime AP's.



"OMG! OMG! What are we gonna do?!!! We're gonna get killed!!!" they screamed at each other. They thought and thought and thought about it. "Well" they said to each other "We're just gonna have to get rid of them. It's the only way to stop the money hemorrhage." The disqualifications commenced.



That's my dead reckoning for the day, folks. Take care



















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Re: [vpFREE] : Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 9 JUL 2013

 

On 7/12/2013 12:11 PM, Bob Dancer wrote:
> Would it bother you if a doctor or dentist had both players and casino executives for patients? Or a grocer sold food to both groups? I don't see it as a lot different than that to sell information to both groups.
> Bob
Apples and grapefruits. A real analogy would be if the doctor is dealing
in or prescribing medications, equipment, insurance or procedures in
which he has strong financial interests.

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Re: [vpFREE] A Little Tipsy

 

I wouldn't do that - after all, Jacksons are money, too. But I do know that when I had mentioned to my independent host years ago that an attendant at one of the CET properties did that to me, she was furious. She told me they were specifically instructed not to do that. She also, I believe took it up directly with management. (Admittedly, that was a number of years ago, and I don't know if the same guidelines are in place now) Bringing you twenties is obviously angling for a tip, and a twenty-dollar tip at that. If I didn't specifically request all hundreds, i.e., if I forgot, then I would tip as I normally would. It is only if they completely disregard what I request (what ever happened to "the customer is always right"?) then I would stiff them.

I believe everyone should tip, or not tip, according to what they feel is proper. I see many handpays being made, and absolutely no tip is given. That is that players right. I happen to tip men's room attendants, when the bathrooms are clean and well-maintained. I tip the casino cleaning person, especially when some other players have left the area a pigsty. (They get so few tips, that they really appreciate it.) I tip the valets both when dropping off and picking up. I leave the maids tips every day. I overtip in restaurants and lounges, especially when I get very good service. But if the waiters are clearly standing around BS-ing when I'm waiting for my dinner, and then the dinner arrives cold, they shouldn't be hoping for the first years tuition to Harvard for their kid when the bill is presented. I'm glad to tip the slot people when they are prompt and bring me what I asked for. Others can do what ever they like. YMMV.

 
Certainly the game is rigged. Don't let that stop you; if you don't bet, you can't win. -Lazarus Long
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is. -Yogi Berra
There is no such thing as luck. There is only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe. -Robert Heinlein

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From: Tom Robertson <007@embarqmail.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] A Little Tipsy


 
GURU PERF wrote:

>If they bring me back a broken Benjie, it is ALWAYS 5 twenties. That earns them a $0 tip. On the rare occasion when I've gotten either a question, comment or dirty look, I remind them that I asked for all hundreds, and they didn't give me what I asked for. The usual excuse is, "That's what the cashier gave me"; my response, "You should have given back the twenties and gotten me what I asked for." No one has ever screwed up the second hand pay when that happened.

A friend told me he got 5 $20s included in an $800 hand pay, he took
his hand away so they couldn't give him the $20s, and they 86ed him.

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[vpFREE] Re: Revel-ation

 

At this point I personally don't think that anyone who manipulates the card at Revel is going to get paid. Ultimate X got busted out. If there are any more games at Revel that can thwart the cardreader then they will get busted out too. It's just to easy to catch a card manipulator. I know of at least two more video poker games that will thwart the modern day card readers.

Montana has a lot of oddball video poker games that I had never seen before I got here. So I had to analyze them all to see if I could find an advantage. About 6 years ago I analyzed a game called Triple Ace Poker. It's an Aces or Better game with the gimmick that if your final hands contains three Aces or more, the entire payscale is multiplied for the next 8 games. And 3.2 is the average multiplier. I put the game at 97%. The payback of the main game was 79% and the multiplied games represented 18%.

I did a hypothetical on "what if this game were at Revel?" On a $400,000 wager you would have a theoretical loss of $12,000, but by pulling the card in the multiplied games you would theoretically show a loss of $84,000.

I doubt seriously that Triple Ace Poker can be found at Revel. But the one game I think might be there is the one called Flush Fever on some machines, Hot Flush on other machines, and Flush Bonus on still other machines. I know that many of you know this game. When you make a flush, in the next 7 games you get paid even money for every card of the suit you made the flush in. Bob, go ahead and call Revel and give them the word. LMAO!

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[vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 9 JUL 2013

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bob Dancer <bobdancervp@...> wrote:

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> I agree with your characterization about what was reported on the WoV site. Are you willing to accept at face value that what was reported was actually true and with no material omissions? I'm not. It would make no sense to me for the casino to do that. There are very likely some key parts of the story that haven't been posted yet. You could be right and some court might decide that how the Revel has behaved is improper. And it also could be right that the reason lawsuits like that haven't been filed yet is because the facts that have been reported in the player press aren't completely accurate.
I really don't know exactly what happened. But I'm not inclined to believe everything at face value that is reported on sites such as WoV or vpFREE. On the WoV site, I haven't participated enough there to know who is believable and who is not. Have you?
>
> Bob
>
Well, Bob, those same disgruntled players on WoV reported, several days ago, before last nights GWAE, that a high profile AP was consulting with Revel. Michael Shackelford denied he was involved and reasserted his opinion that Revel management was incompetent. That left my dead reckoning down to one AP. So you tell me, Bob. Should I take their story about the AP consultant at face value?

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Re: [vpFREE] A Little Tipsy

 

GURU PERF wrote:

>If they bring me back a broken Benjie, it is ALWAYS 5 twenties. That earns them a $0 tip. On the rare occasion when I've gotten either a question, comment or dirty look, I remind them that I asked for all hundreds, and they didn't give me what I asked for. The usual excuse is, "That's what the cashier gave me"; my response, "You should have given back the twenties and gotten me what I asked for." No one has ever screwed up the second hand pay when that happened.

A friend told me he got 5 $20s included in an $800 hand pay, he took
his hand away so they couldn't give him the $20s, and they 86ed him.

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[vpFREE] Re: : Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 9 JUL 2013

 



I agree, you can sell information to both groups. That doesn't mean you can go on the radio telling people how great a promotion is while at the same time going to the casino and trying to tell them how to change the promotion. Your role on the radio show is similar to a journalist and this would be a career ending mistake for a journalist.

It should be clear to everyone that you have a dog in this fight. I would hope that players would similarly use their first amendment right to make it difficult for you to go out in public. I would hope that any person that sees you sells your true name and identity to the casino you are playing at. I would hope you are now banned from the blackjack ball as someone who tries to work for the casinos.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bob Dancer <bobdancervp@...> wrote:
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> MHS wrote:
> In that case, he should stop trying to present himself as an advocate
> for players. And the alternative is . . . . presenting himself as a
> ????? for the casinos.
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> I produce and sell information to players, casinos, manufacturers, and governmental agencies. I have never presented myself as an advocate for players. I do believe that players who take my classes and read the materials I produce will have better gambling results than players who don't. If you believe otherwise, don't read my stuff.
> Some players have an "us against the casinos" view of the world and find it easier to understand if I'm always on one side or the other. That's not the way I operate. My view is that players and casinos both have to survive for this to work. If casinos take all the money from players, then casinos will go broke because there is nobody to support them. Likewise, if casinos lose too much money to players (as a whole), the casinos go broke and then the players will have nobody to win from.
> There's a happy medium. Casinos can survive while offering decent games --- that the best players can exploit. I do what I can to support this "view of the world." If somebody else doesn't like it, so be it.
> Would it bother you if a doctor or dentist had both players and casino executives for patients? Or a grocer sold food to both groups? I don't see it as a lot different than that to sell information to both groups.
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Re: [vpFREE] Re: : Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 9 JUL 2013

 

i am a retired political reporter for a daily newspaper. i agree completely with bob ... don't read his stuff ... when i'd catch grief about my stories i would tell them the same time

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From: lhbarber <kona623@aol.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 1:09 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: : Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 9 JUL 2013


 
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