RE: [vpFREE] Re: bovada 100.05% video poker

Thanks for the advice!!
James
Former HRH Casino Monitor

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Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 00:29:43 +0000
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, James Thompson <jamesgthompson@...> wrote:

>

> Opinions ARE always welcome!! I never played online because I just didn't trust anything I couldn't see. Pragmatism 101.

>



And by doing so, you missed some of the easiest money you'll ever see in your lifetime. It will never be like that again, because it was the Wild West, friggin Dodge City, and it just ain't going to happen like that again. However, it WILL happen again, in another form, another style, and there will be opportunities again, I guarantee it.



But let's say that you were correct in not trusting them. Have you ever heard of gambling? Frankly, James, YOU WERE CORRECT in not trusting them! I promise you, there were A LOT of them that were crooks. lol I'm not kidding, I mean A LOT! Coincidentally, a lot of the bad ones were casinos that used this software we've been talking about, Real Time Gaming, which is what Bovada uses. But that's just the way it was, they didn't guarantee their clients and they didn't do much to help when players got ripped off. But other outfits like Microgaming had all kinds of safeguards. There were plenty of crooks, but plenty of trustworthy ones also. So the smart gamblers read reviews and saw who had the good reputations and the bad reputations.



One of the best player advocates was, and still is, Casinomeister.com.

Take a look at that site sometime, you'll find it pretty interesting. And I trust the owner, Bryan Bailey, totally. He's a stand up guy.


















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[vpFREE] Re: bovada 100.05% video poker

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, James Thompson <jamesgthompson@...> wrote:
>
> Opinions ARE always welcome!! I never played online because I just didn't trust anything I couldn't see. Pragmatism 101.
>

And by doing so, you missed some of the easiest money you'll ever see in your lifetime. It will never be like that again, because it was the Wild West, friggin Dodge City, and it just ain't going to happen like that again. However, it WILL happen again, in another form, another style, and there will be opportunities again, I guarantee it.

But let's say that you were correct in not trusting them. Have you ever heard of gambling? Frankly, James, YOU WERE CORRECT in not trusting them! I promise you, there were A LOT of them that were crooks. lol I'm not kidding, I mean A LOT! Coincidentally, a lot of the bad ones were casinos that used this software we've been talking about, Real Time Gaming, which is what Bovada uses. But that's just the way it was, they didn't guarantee their clients and they didn't do much to help when players got ripped off. But other outfits like Microgaming had all kinds of safeguards. There were plenty of crooks, but plenty of trustworthy ones also. So the smart gamblers read reviews and saw who had the good reputations and the bad reputations.

One of the best player advocates was, and still is, Casinomeister.com.
Take a look at that site sometime, you'll find it pretty interesting. And I trust the owner, Bryan Bailey, totally. He's a stand up guy.

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RE: [vpFREE] bovada 100.05% video poker

Opinions ARE always welcome!! I never played online because I just didn't trust anything I couldn't see. Pragmatism 101.

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Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 15:32:09 -0400
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regarding bovada 100.05% joker poker, some posts imply that this game offered is dishonest because its online.

Others say that bovada would not offer a game that they would lose money at. Let me explain: Have you guys ever

heard of loss leaders. By offering this game you get people to send money, whereas if this game were not offered they

would not. Now they have a customer that might play other games, like blackjack, poker, sports betting, horses, etc.

After all this is a casino, they're also gambling that you will play their other games. This is not much of a gamble on their

part. Because of the big payoff on an ordered royal for a 1% ror (risk of ruin) you probably need a bankroll of a few

hundred thousand. Now if you're playing a dollar game 'perfectly' at the breakneck speed of 1200 hands per hour,

your win rate is $3.00 per hour. You're totally wasting your time. Remember positive expectancy is necessary to play,

but it may not be sufficent, you may not have the bankroll or your win rate may be too low. Also bovada is floating

with your money (getting interest with your money). If I had an online casino, I would offer this game.

Regarding the honesty of bovada I do not know, but I would not conclude that bovata cheats because this game

is offered. I believe bovada is honest (for you attorneys out their I am not an expert in this stuff and am only expressing

my opinion).



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[vpFREE] bovada 100.05% video poker

 


regarding bovada 100.05% joker poker, some posts imply that this game offered is dishonest because its online.
Others say that bovada would not offer a game that they would lose money at. Let me explain: Have you guys ever
heard of loss leaders. By offering this game you get people to send money, whereas if this game were not offered they
would not. Now they have a customer that might play other games, like blackjack, poker, sports betting, horses, etc.
After all this is a casino, they're also gambling that you will play their other games. This is not much of a gamble on their
part. Because of the big payoff on an ordered royal for a 1% ror (risk of ruin) you probably need a bankroll of a few
hundred thousand. Now if you're playing a dollar game 'perfectly' at the breakneck speed of 1200 hands per hour,
your win rate is $3.00 per hour. You're totally wasting your time. Remember positive expectancy is necessary to play,
but it may not be sufficent, you may not have the bankroll or your win rate may be too low. Also bovada is floating
with your money (getting interest with your money). If I had an online casino, I would offer this game.
Regarding the honesty of bovada I do not know, but I would not conclude that bovata cheats because this game
is offered. I believe bovada is honest (for you attorneys out their I am not an expert in this stuff and am only expressing
my opinion).

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[vpFREE] Re: Steve Del Nero

 

My condolences to you.


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[vpFREE] Re: Online Poker is the U.S.

 

Isn't FREEVpfree the appropriate forum for rants like this?

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "robman" <rdmassa@...> wrote:
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> Hell, at this point the IRS is being used as an arm of all branches of government. They use it to influence special interests in all aspects. Now that the HHS and Obamacare is now tied directly to your taxes it's only going to get worse. One be giant mess of government strong arming what ever commerce it wishes.
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>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Ed Miller <ed.miller@> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 7:34 AM, Ronald Reagan <ronald.reagan11@>wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > The IRS is an arm of the Treasury Department, and a very long and broken
> > > arm at that.
> > > I do have a question for those experienced at on-line gaming. If you are
> > > in the middle of a hand and your computer crashes or your internet service
> > > gets interrupted do you forfeit your hand and whatever you have in the pot?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Mickey <mickeycrimm@>
> > > To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2013 6:34 AM
> > > Subject: [vpFREE] Online Poker is the U.S.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In hindsight, to me Black Friday looks like a deliberate attempt
> > > (conspiracy)by elements in the Department of Justice to create another cash
> > > cow for the Feds and the States in the form of taxes. Isn't the IRS in the
> > > Department of Justice? Not long after knocking out the offshore poker
> > > sites, the DOJ issued an opinion that nothing prevented a State from
> > > legalizing online poker for it's residents. What a coincidence. I think DOJ
> > > knocked out the offshore sites simply because they weren't getting a slice
> > > of the pie.
> > >
> > > They couldn't tax the offshore sites. If you had an account with one of
> > > the offshore poker sites, in effect you had an offshore bank account. Some
> > > sites, like Party Poker, even payed interest on deposits. Winning U.S.
> > > players weren't paying incme tax. Nothing pisses off the Feds more than
> > > someone not paying income taxes.
> > >
> > > So now Nevada is leading the way with the first legal poker site. More
> > > States are sure to follow. And compacts between the States to increase
> > > player pools are sure to follow. Here's some advice for all you winning
> > > players. If you don't pay income tax on your win the Feds will be on you
> > > like white on rice.
> > >
> > > I'm gonna try to start a grass roots movement in Montana to legalize
> > > online poker. I'm gonna start with letters to my Senators and Congressman
> > > heralding the cash cow, in the form of taxes, it would bring to the State.
> > > There's nothing politicians like more than spending money.
> > >
> > > I already know where the opposition will come from, besides the religious
> > > fanatics. The Montana Tavern Owners Association is a powerful lobby in this
> > > State. I've seen them in action before. A liquor or beer and wine license
> > > entitles the owner to up to 20 multi-game machines (video poker, video
> > > keno, line games) for their establishment. The MTOA will see online poker
> > > as a threat to their income.
> > >
> > > As it stands, I would have to give up a pretty good income by moving to
> > > another state just to play online poker.
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
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[vpFREE] Re: Steve Del Nero

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <johnmckim@...> wrote:
> Those of you who knew Steve will be saddened to hear he passed away
> yesterday in Las Vegas.

I believe I met Steve at the Gold Coast during a 2005 VPFree lunch? I'm sorry for your loss! As I get older, more people I personally know are passing!

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