Re: [vpFREE] Question about slot manufacturers and video poker

A couple of reasons come to mind

- Not all manufacturers make a slant top that would be appropriate for a VP
platform, and even fewer have a bar top. Cabinet development is expensive,
requires regulatory approval, and must look nice enough to compete. There
is no reason to pursue this unless there is a reason to believe they could
make a significant dent in VP ship share. Which brings me to...

- VP players are notoriously fickle and superstitious, and often reject
things that look too new or dramatically different. The GameKing, GameMaker
and UCM platforms look like they're 30 years old.

- A lot of the ideas that are historically profitable are locked down by
intellectual property.

- A lot of the names that are among the top performers by coin in are
locked down by trademark.

- A lot of companies just don't know what makes a good VP game. Not sure if
anyone had a chance to see WMS "Big" Event Poker. It was shamefully
terrible.

On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 2:11 AM, Bob Bartop <bobbartop@yahoo.com> wrote:

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>
>
> Why are most video poker machines made by IGT and Bally, whereas I have
> seen very few made by other manufacturers? For instance, I was just looking
> at the website of Konami. Konami's slots seem to be gaining fast in
> popularity, I see them everywhere. But it doesn't look like they even make
> a video poker type machine. WHY?
>
>
>


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[vpFREE] Math v. Superstition

 


I like to sit and sit and sit at same machine, however a lot of time, it seems like the moment to leave is the moment you get a W2g, such as from dealt quads at a 5-play DDB, or a royal etc. if you don't leave, the money gets sucked and sucked away. Up til you get that W2, things may have been going well, with lots of quads, but then, after it is paid the machine gets cold as hell.

So maybe I should leave.

On the other hand, you never know. Last night playing on $1 five play DDB at the Palms, I got tons of quads, dealt 3s, then dealt jacks, then a royal, then dealt 2s, and was putting back in all the money from the 2s, when I got a second royal. All in all a great night, with about 7 hours all on the same machine. Never got aces with a kicker though.

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[vpFREE] Re: Question about slot manufacturers and video poker

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pyiddy" <pyiddy@...> wrote:
>
> A few years ago, Konami had a video poker game called Time Bomb video poker.
> The base game was DDB. If you were dealt a flush (SF or RF also count.), the
> next 5-20 hands (random with an average of 10) doubled the value of all
> quads and the SF. The RF started at 3x + a 0.25% feed rate progressive. This
> was analyzed by Bob Dancer in Strictly Slots. I never saw it in a casino.
> Video Poker was basically a Bally product but when Si Redd left that
> company, he asked for and got the rights to make video poker games. Si Redd
> started IGT and the rest is history. (My mom actually knew Si Redd because
> she worked for Bally's Aladdins Castle in the same complex during that
> period.)
>

Thanks. I had wondered to myself before asking the question if there was some kind of lock on it. But I can't see how it would work. Sure, they could lock up a game name like "Double Double Bonus" but why couldn't someone else produce the same pay table and called it "x-y-z bonus"? There are so many possible pay table variations anyway.

I know I have asked about Aristocrat in the past and we even discussed on here a game that was at my local Indian casino (which they have since removed). (and I can't remember the name right now). It's just odd that there are all these slots out there and only IGT and Bally have a piece of the pie.

By the way, I'd love to get a look at that "Time Bomb" game you described.

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RE: [vpFREE] Question about slot manufacturers and video poker

 

A few years ago, Konami had a video poker game called Time Bomb video poker.
The base game was DDB. If you were dealt a flush (SF or RF also count.), the
next 5-20 hands (random with an average of 10) doubled the value of all
quads and the SF. The RF started at 3x + a 0.25% feed rate progressive. This
was analyzed by Bob Dancer in Strictly Slots. I never saw it in a casino.
Video Poker was basically a Bally product but when Si Redd left that
company, he asked for and got the rights to make video poker games. Si Redd
started IGT and the rest is history. (My mom actually knew Si Redd because
she worked for Bally's Aladdins Castle in the same complex during that
period.)

From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpFREE@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Bob Bartop
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 1:12 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Question about slot manufacturers and video poker

Why are most video poker machines made by IGT and Bally, whereas I have seen
very few made by other manufacturers? For instance, I was just looking at
the website of Konami. Konami's slots seem to be gaining fast in popularity,
I see them everywhere. But it doesn't look like they even make a video poker
type machine. WHY?

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[vpFREE] Re: Math v. Superstition?

 

> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com,
> Barry Glazer <b.glazer@...> wrote:
> >
> > The "error" is not in changing machines because you've
> had a "cold streak".  The error is thinking / believing
> that changing machines will really make a difference in
> future outcome.  The other reasons for changing
> machines are done with a belief that it will be less drafty,
> that the lighting will be better, that you will be in better
> company, etc. -- expectations that may have a more factual
> basis, and good reason for "believing" that THOSE changes
> will occur.  But to think your "luck will change" with
> a machine change is NOT a reasonable expectation unless you
> believe that different machines with the same computer
> hardware are in fact statistically different in their
> expected performance for mysterious reasons that we can't
> perceive.
> >
> > --BG
>
> No,I'm telling you. Don't you guys know how to do
> anthing?  Spit  on the machine.  That's how
> you get things done. 
>

Perhaps that will decrease the glare that I sometimes experience and thus allow me to play longer; I'll give it a try :)

I look forward to playing a machine with spit on the keys (I'm a button-pusher, not a screen-tapper).

--BG
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