Re: [vpFREE] Boyd Onyx tier?

 

Did it say what the equivalent of harrahs diamond card is, and what does it get you.

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On Jun 11, 2014, at 4:55 PM, "gamb00ler@yahoo.com [vpFREE]" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

A Palms coupon booklet arrived in our mailbox today.  It contains an offer that will allow a player who has achieved a higher tier card at other casinos to be upgraded to an equivalent tier at Palms.  The offer includes a chart detailing which Palms tier will be awarded and the equivalent tier at competing casinos.


For instance, you can qualify for a Palms Hall of Fame tier if you are an Onyx card holder at Boyd properties!


I used google and found a few references to such a level, but no information of any consequence.


Does anyone have information to share about Onyx?


G'luck all,

Gamb00ler



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[vpFREE] Boyd Onyx tier?

 

A Palms coupon booklet arrived in our mailbox today.  It contains an offer that will allow a player who has achieved a higher tier card at other casinos to be upgraded to an equivalent tier at Palms.  The offer includes a chart detailing which Palms tier will be awarded and the equivalent tier at competing casinos.


For instance, you can qualify for a Palms Hall of Fame tier if you are an Onyx card holder at Boyd properties!


I used google and found a few references to such a level, but no information of any consequence.


Does anyone have information to share about Onyx?


G'luck all,

Gamb00ler



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[vpFREE] Re: BP Progressive Question

 

Dan,

you are absolutely correct. I calculated using a $1 game. Mea Culpa.

Don the Dentist

 

 

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Don, I think your calculations are correct if it was a $1 game, but Larry said it's a 50c game. In that case, the break-even royal would be 7575 x $.50 = $3788, and the ER with $5000 royal (with the strategy properly modified) would be 101.52%.

Dan

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[vpFREE] Re: BP Progressive Question

 

Don, I think your calculations are correct if it was a $1 game, but Larry said it's a 50c game. In that case, the break-even royal would be 7575 x $.50 = $3788, and the ER with $5000 royal (with the strategy properly modified) would be 101.52%.

Dan

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Larry,
According to WinPoker, the return on 7/5 BP, with the royal at $5K, is 98.5%.
The royal need to be at $7,525 for it to be breakeven.

Don the Dentist

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The game is 50 cent 7/5 BP.
The Royal is now a little over $5K. What is the % EV for this game? At what number for the Royal does it become positive ?
Thanks,
Larry Feldman

Do 
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Re: [vpFREE] Re: BP Progressive Question

 

A few ways you can go about it, in my opinion.

1) Look up the return on WoO VP Calculator and use the optimal strategy given. That will, of course, be the highest return and most optimal way of playing. WoO gives a 1.5229% player edge, not taking into account the meter rate.

2) If you don't want to make the changes in strategy, you'll be giving up some % in edge, since optimal strategy is more aggressive with royals. To calculate the return using your current strategy, look up the frequency distribution per hand using WoO VP Calculator. To get a more accurate frequency distribution, divide payoff by return (since only 2 decimals are shown in frequency distribution on WoO chart). The return is payoff divided by frequency. So now all you have to do, is change the payoffs accordingly (2000, 50, 80, 40, 25, 7, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1), divide each of those numbers by their frequency to get the return per hand, then add up all the returns, and that'll be the total return on the game using that strategy. To approximate the variance, do (payoff ^ 2 ) / frequency for the new royal payoff. Subtract the normal RF variance (15.87) from the total variance (20.90), then add the new RF variance (~99.42), to get the total variance of the play. The difference in variance between 8 credit FH and 7 credit FH is negligible. I did not take into effect the meter rate and how that effects edge.

I did the calculation quickly (check my work?), but if you use optimal 8/5 BP strategy on this game (2000 credit royal, 7 credit FH, 5 credit flush), your edge is 0.997175%. The return is 1.00997175.

Remember, variance can be a monster! The play only succeeds if you hit the royal (1 in 40,233 hands), and can take 2 or even 3 royal cycles (~80,000 to 120,000 hands) before hitting the royal. Be careful!

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[vpFREE] Re: BP Progressive Question

 

DDS wrote ..
 
Larry,
According to WinPoker, the return on 7/5 BP, with the royal at $5K, is 98.5%.
The royal need to be at $7,525 for it to be breakeven.

Don the Dentist

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The game is 50 cent 7/5 BP.
The Royal is now a little over $5K. What is the % EV for this game? At what number for the Royal does it become positive ?
Thanks,
Larry Feldman
 
 
Don, If the royal is 5K, that is 3% above reset so the game should be at least 1% positive. Were you thinking $1 BP instead of $0.50?

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[vpFREE] Re: BP Progressive Question

 

Sorry Don with the Royal at $5000 on 50 cent bonus poker (10000 coins) the player has a 1.5% edge. You were analyzing a $5000 Royal (5000 coins) on a dollar game. Go play Larry with your 1.5% edge.

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[vpFREE] Re: BP Progressive Question

 

lfcmja@verizon.net wrote:

<< The game is 50 cent 7/5 BP. The Royal is now a little over $5K. What
is the % EV for this game? At what number for the Royal does it become
positive? >>

In replying, I think that Don the Dentist was confused about some
things. The base game with a 4000 coin RF payout has a $2000 jackpot. A
rough rule of thumb for JOB-like games is that each 5% increase in the
RF payout adds about .11% to the game's expectation. The 7/5 BP base
game has an expected payback of 98.01%. The estimated jackpot breakeven
point on your game would thus be $3809. With a $5000 jackpot, the
estimated payback is 101.31%. The Wizard of Odds' calculator says the
exact number is 101.53%. So that's a good one. With a jackpot of this
size, a few strategy adjustments would be in order. Again, the Wizard
of Odds has a calculator that can give you a full adjusted strategy,
which shouldn't be too hard to interpret for a game with a simple
strategy like bonus poker.

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