RE: RE: RE: [vpFREE] RE: Suncoast Purges More VP Players

 

Elliott scared me with his knowledge of obscure plays around town.  I had the privilege of having coffee with him in about 2002 I believe.  He asked me where I lived, and gave me a 102.5% play at one of the 7-11's near me.  A true consummate professional VP player.



---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

"Several years ago" ? Wasn't it more like 20 years ago?

Distant memories of Elliot Shapiro being told by Gold Coast he was barred from the progressives but was welcome to play the 25 cent FPDW. He was o.k. with that.


I was at Gold Coast when they 86'd an entire troop of players at a progressive bank. Was sitting next to someone watching the whole thing come down. Blamed it on a new employee making the rounds who knew all the pro's and was also a convicted felon. 



---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

vpKing77 wrote:   The Coast properties hate VP pros because several years ago jealous local regular customers complained to management they couldn't get on progressives or their favorite machines during promotions. These regular customers resented the fact that they lost money on machines while others seemingly won all the time.


 
While this may be true, recent barrings have been on $2 and $5 9/6 BPD which are plentiful and not progressives at all. These barrings have nothing to do with keeping other local players happy

Bob

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[vpFREE] RE: 4 Free Show Tickets for Tonight

 

i would definitly go! just 2 of us

my number - 954 607 7432 



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I have 4 tickets to Veronic Voices at Bally's at 7pm this evening.  First one to respond may have them - my gift.  I really wanted to go - but can't.

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[vpFREE] 4 Free Show Tickets for Tonight

 

I have 4 tickets to Veronic Voices at Bally's at 7pm this evening.  First one to respond may have them - my gift.  I really wanted to go - but can't.

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: "Greatest Gambler of All Time" Busted

 

Barry Glazer wrote:

>both cheats and card counters can end up in the black book. 

You might be confusing the Black Book with other books by detective
agencies, such as the Griffin book. I don't believe any card counter
is in the Black Book. People in the Black Book are thereby barred
from every casino in Nevada. One of them, a relative of an
acquaintance of mine, was a line producer for "The Cotton Club."

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RE: Re: [vpFREE] RE: Re: "Greatest Gambler of All Time" Busted

 

Hard to tell, some small businesses suck all the money out with good tax planning. After you get a car, 25% toward your pension first class health insurance, lunch and entertainment allowance you can get a modest W-2 and live well. The business can stay broke and does not pay big salaries, while the owners do OK.


Not saying that was the case here but if they were smart it was. Somewhere along the line they must have known that a lawsuit was coming that would hit paydirt.



---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

On 9/28/2013 1:11 PM, haaljo@... wrote:
>
> Black Book wiki:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Book_(gambling)
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Book_%28gambling%29>
>
>
> "...The /Las Vegas Sun
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_Vegas_Sun>/ reported on September
> 13, 2005, that Griffin Investigations had filed for Chapter 11
> bankruptcy protection
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapter_11_bankruptcy_protection> in
> light of legal costs and damages from a successful defamation
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation> lawsuit against the company.
> The lawsuit had been brought by two gamblers, Michael Russo and James
> Grosjean <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Grosjean>, claiming they
> had been improperly detained, labeled as cheaters and arrested, on the
> basis of information supplied by Griffin.^[
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffin_Investigations#cite_note-2>
> According to the judgement of a jury in Clark County District Court in
> June 2005, Griffin Investigations was ordered to pay Michael Russo
> $15,000 and $10,000 to James Grosjean in punitive damages. Each
> company (Griffin Investigations and Caesars Palace
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesars_Palace>) was ordered to pay
> Russo and Grosjean the actual damages of $25,000 each..."
>
Not even 100G's. Pretty small potatoes for a business wielding such
widespread and influential power.

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Re: [vpFREE] RE: Re: "Greatest Gambler of All Time" Busted

 

On 9/28/2013 1:11 PM, haaljo@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Black Book wiki:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Book_(gambling)
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Book_%28gambling%29>
>
>
> "...The /Las Vegas Sun
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_Vegas_Sun>/ reported on September
> 13, 2005, that Griffin Investigations had filed for Chapter 11
> bankruptcy protection
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapter_11_bankruptcy_protection> in
> light of legal costs and damages from a successful defamation
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation> lawsuit against the company.
> The lawsuit had been brought by two gamblers, Michael Russo and James
> Grosjean <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Grosjean>, claiming they
> had been improperly detained, labeled as cheaters and arrested, on the
> basis of information supplied by Griffin.^[
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffin_Investigations#cite_note-2>
> According to the judgement of a jury in Clark County District Court in
> June 2005, Griffin Investigations was ordered to pay Michael Russo
> $15,000 and $10,000 to James Grosjean in punitive damages. Each
> company (Griffin Investigations and Caesars Palace
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesars_Palace>) was ordered to pay
> Russo and Grosjean the actual damages of $25,000 each..."
>
Not even 100G's. Pretty small potatoes for a business wielding such
widespread and influential power.

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[vpFREE] RE: Re: "Greatest Gambler of All Time" Busted

 

Black Book wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Book_(gambling)


"...The Las Vegas Sun reported on September 13, 2005, that Griffin Investigations had filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in light of legal costs and damages from a successful defamation lawsuit against the company. The lawsuit had been brought by two gamblers, Michael Russo and James Grosjean, claiming they had been improperly detained, labeled as cheaters and arrested, on the basis of information supplied by Griffin.[According to the judgement of a jury in Clark County District Court in June 2005, Griffin Investigations was ordered to pay Michael Russo $15,000 and $10,000 to James Grosjean in punitive damages. Each company (Griffin Investigations and Caesars Palace) was ordered to pay Russo and Grosjean the actual damages of $25,000 each..."




---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Although those of us who are card counters and not cheats (and you are right, counting cards is legal, marking cards is not) feel it's not fair, both cheats and card counters can end up in the black book.  I used to know a little more about the book (who maintains it, etc.) but have forgotten.
 
From the casino's perspective, both are equally unacceptable activities, hence the tendency to put both in the black book, which is for subscribing casinos to use to identify people they don't want to play in their casino -- but of course, a cheat CAN be prosecuted if evidence is available, while a card counter can not, since no law is broken.
 
But don't get me started on that topic... :)
 
 
--BG
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> >For counting cards...
>
> I didn't see anything about that. It sounds like he belongs in the
> Black Book.
>

It was actually for marking cards, not counting cards. I sent out a
correction right after the initial email. Counting cards is legal.



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[vpFREE] Re: "Greatest Gambler of All Time" Busted

 

Although those of us who are card counters and not cheats (and you are right, counting cards is legal, marking cards is not) feel it's not fair, both cheats and card counters can end up in the black book.  I used to know a little more about the book (who maintains it, etc.) but have forgotten.
 
From the casino's perspective, both are equally unacceptable activities, hence the tendency to put both in the black book, which is for subscribing casinos to use to identify people they don't want to play in their casino -- but of course, a cheat CAN be prosecuted if evidence is available, while a card counter can not, since no law is broken.
 
But don't get me started on that topic... :)
 
 
--BG
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> >For counting cards...
>
> I didn't see anything about that. It sounds like he belongs in the
> Black Book.
>

It was actually for marking cards, not counting cards. I sent out a
correction right after the initial email. Counting cards is legal.



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[vpFREE] RE: Gaming Day Timings

 

You beat me to the punch on this one with the card issue.


It is not just the day but when the card gets pulled or maybe inserted at some places. Then apart from the playing some places like CZR in AC may credit the play but to get the multiplier make you swipe somewhere at restricted hours. Not sure about the reason except to knock certain groups out of the promo.



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Abe wrote:

>Misinformation about these times could prove costly.

Yes. And their policies can change. At a Station property, many
years ago, I had a point multiplier. I knew their policy was to
multiply all points earned until I pulled my card out if my card was
inserted on the day of the multiplier. I played many hours past
midnight after the day I was to get my points multiplied and all my
points earned, both before and after midnight, were multiplied. But
they changed this, I think when they combined points from all
properties and adjusted point balances upwards. After that, not only
were all points earned during a session which crossed midnight not
multiplied, even if I had a multiplier on both days, but they only
earned comp points, not points which were available for free play. It
has been a few years since I've played on a point multiplier from
before midnight to after, so this might have changed.

>Palms 3:30 am
>Harrahs 6 am
>M Casino 4 am
>Hooters 4 am
>Rampart 3 am
>Hard Rock 5 am
>Station Casino 4 am

It has been a few years since I've played around these times at a
Coast property, but I believe it was kind of a hybrid as to how points
for multipliers and drawing tickets were treated.

I've had many problems with points not getting properly credited.
I've gone to the Gaming Commission more than once and they've always
ruled in my favor because I had details about when and how much I
played and how many points weren't credited. It can pay to make sure.

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Re: [vpFREE] Gaming Day Timings

 

Abe wrote:

>Misinformation about these times could prove costly.

Yes. And their policies can change. At a Station property, many
years ago, I had a point multiplier. I knew their policy was to
multiply all points earned until I pulled my card out if my card was
inserted on the day of the multiplier. I played many hours past
midnight after the day I was to get my points multiplied and all my
points earned, both before and after midnight, were multiplied. But
they changed this, I think when they combined points from all
properties and adjusted point balances upwards. After that, not only
were all points earned during a session which crossed midnight not
multiplied, even if I had a multiplier on both days, but they only
earned comp points, not points which were available for free play. It
has been a few years since I've played on a point multiplier from
before midnight to after, so this might have changed.

>Palms 3:30 am
>Harrahs 6 am
>M Casino 4 am
>Hooters 4 am
>Rampart 3 am
>Hard Rock 5 am
>Station Casino 4 am

It has been a few years since I've played around these times at a
Coast property, but I believe it was kind of a hybrid as to how points
for multipliers and drawing tickets were treated.

I've had many problems with points not getting properly credited.
I've gone to the Gaming Commission more than once and they've always
ruled in my favor because I had details about when and how much I
played and how many points weren't credited. It can pay to make sure.

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[vpFREE] Gaming Day Timings

 

I'm new to Vegas and thought it would be useful to have a thread that collaborates all information about casino gaming day times. For those unfamiliar, gaming days are often different than a standard calendar day (12am-11:59pm). At many casinos it is important to keep play within one gaming day to maintain a good playing average for mailers, comps, etc.. (AKA ADT average daily theoretical loss) An example of this is Harrahs properties in which the gaming day runs from 6:00 AM - 5:59AM the next day. Please feel free to share what you know but only post what you are sure of, or if you not sure at least indicate your confidence level. Misinformation about these times could prove costly.


Palms 3:30 am
Harrahs 6 am
M Casino 4 am
Hooters 4 am
Rampart 3 am
Hard Rock 5 am
Station Casino 4 am

Abe

 

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