RE: [vpFREE] Scot Krause's LVA Players Club Bonus Points Update - 1 MAR 2016

 

Confirmed. You are correct. AND by invitation (mailer) only! I had to
delete the listing for them now that's no longer available to general
public. Thanks for the heads up!

Scot

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MAR 2016

I don't think Silver Sevens is accurate. I think they are 100% mystery
multiplier now.

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[vpFREE] Royal Fire Monkeys Invade Clark County!!!!

 

Hey Now!
enjoy....
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[vpFREE] Re: Somewhere in Las Vegas....

 

I believe I know where this progressive is, but I have no interest in outing anyone's play.

From: mickeycrimm@yahoo.com

I caught this picture in another forum. The location of the poster is Las Vegas. He put the picture up on 2/23/2016, about a week ago. It's $1 8/6 Bonus Poker Deluxe with a 7992 coin royal. He said the meter movement was 1%. He didn't say whether it was stand alone or linked bank.

I'm quite happy in my Montana home. I'm not going to run down to Las Vegas over a play like this. I'm putting this thread up for entertainment purposes....and also to let vpFREE'ers know that this progressive exists somewhere in Las Vegas. With a 1% meter there are going to be plays that develop.

There is only one small clue as to where it might be. The guy said he was getting .3% cashback. He didn't say anything about multiplier days.

Do any of you have any wild guesses as to where this progressive might be located?

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Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LVA

 

Sure enough, Nordo! Thanks, and apologies to Harry for my not understanding when he said it!

For those as dense as I was, let me expand the explanation a bit.


1. By starting with DDB and then changing the pays so all quads are 25 and two-pair pays 2, you turned it into exactly JOB.


2. You can verify it's JOB by clicking "Analyze Game". The "Total Return" will be JOB's 99.54%.


3. But now that you did the "Analyze Game", you get to see the frequency of each of the different kinds of quad hands as they'd occur while playing JOB. That is, if you play JOB strategy, you now know how often you'll get quad Aces with 2,3,4, how often you'll get quad Aces with 5-K, how often you'll get quad 2,3,4 with 2-4, etc. even though they all pay the same in JOB.


4. So, you take those frequencies and multiply them by actual DDB payoffs. I don't think you can do this within WinPoker. You have to use the "Copy to Clipboard" feature of WinPoker, and then do the multiplication on a spreadsheet after you've changed the payoffs back to DDB's pays. Add 'em up and you should get 98.44%, meaning playing DDB with JOB strategy costs 0.54%.


--Dunbar


---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <Nordo123@...> wrote :

Dunbar - Harry is right. By going to DDB and putting 25 for all quads and 2 for 2 pair you get the frequency of all the quads with kickers using JorB strategy, then go put in 1 for 2 pair and 50,80,160,160,400 for the various quads multiply by the various probabilities add up and you get the EV of DDB using JorB just as Harry stated.

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Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LVA

 

Dunbar - Harry is right. By going to DDB and putting 25 for all quads and 2 for 2 pair you get the frequency of all the quads with kickers using JorB strategy, then go put in 1 for 2 pair and 50,80,160,160,400 for the various quads multiply by the various probabilities add up and you get the EV of DDB using JorB just as Harry stated.

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Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LVA

 

Harry, what you're suggesting will give you the cost of playing JOB with DDB strategy, but not the cost of playing DDB with JOB strategy, which is the example I was using.

One might intuitively think that there would be some symmetry in the cost, but that's not the case. I just now used DRA-VP to see the effect of using 100.76% DW strategy to play 99.73% NSUD and vice versa.


If you play 100.76% DW using NSUD strategy, it costs 0.44%. (payback becomes 100.32%)
If you play 99.73% NSUD using full-pay DW strategy, it costs 0.92%. (payback becomes 98.81%)


So, you clearly can't use the cost in one direction to estimate the cost in the opposite direction.


--Dunbar

---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <harry.porter@...> wrote :

Don't sell yourself short, Dunbar ;)

You can get the respective "JB strategy" hand frequencies for DDB simply using a program like WinPoker: Pull up DDB and load the paytable with the corresponding values for JB (all quads are 25, etc). Then simply proceed as you suggest in your first post.

---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com mailto:vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <h_dunbar@...> wrote :

I should have noted that the "easy" calc I outlined can only be done when the 2 games have the same payout categories, which is the case for JOB and BPD. You could not, however, use this method to find the cost of using JOB strategy while playing a DDB game, because DDB has separate payouts for different quad ranks. For a calc like getting the cost of using JOB strategy to play DDB, a dedicated feature like DanP described in OpVP is especially useful.

--Dunbar
---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com mailto:vpFREE@yahoogroups.com mailto:vpFREE@yahoogroups.com mailto:vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <h_dunbar@...> wrote :

...These kind of calcs are easy to do. You just need a pay table with hand frequencies accurate to 5 significant figures. These kinds of tables can be found in VPW, DRA-VP, and WinPoker, among others. To analyze the question in Bob's column, you'd just start with a table of 9/6 JOB frequencies and change the Quad pay from 25 to 80 and the 2-pair pay from 2 to 1. Then multiply each pay times its corresponding frequency and add up the 10 terms. Your answer should be 99.61%.


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[vpFREE] Somewhere in Las Vegas....

 

I caught this picture in another forum. The location of the poster is Las Vegas. He put the picture up on 2/23/2016, about a week ago. It's $1 8/6 Bonus Poker Deluxe with a 7992 coin royal. He said the meter movement was 1%. He didn't say whether it was stand alone or linked bank.

I'm quite happy in my Montana home. I'm not going to run down to Las Vegas over a play like this. I'm putting this thread up for entertainment purposes....and also to let vpFREE'ers know that this progressive exists somewhere in Las Vegas. With a 1% meter there are going to be plays that develop.

There is only one small clue as to where it might be. The guy said he was getting .3% cashback. He didn't say anything about multiplier days.

Do any of you have any wild guesses as to where this progressive might be located?

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Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LVA

 


Don't sell yourself short, Dunbar ;)

You can get the respective "JB strategy" hand frequencies for DDB simply using a program like WinPoker: Pull up DDB and load the paytable with the corresponding values for JB (all quads are 25, etc). Then simply proceed as you suggest in your first post.

---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <h_dunbar@...> wrote :

I should have noted that the "easy" calc I outlined can only be done when the 2 games have the same payout categories, which is the case for JOB and BPD. You could not, however, use this method to find the cost of using JOB strategy while playing a DDB game, because DDB has separate payouts for different quad ranks. For a calc like getting the cost of using JOB strategy to play DDB, a dedicated feature like DanP described in OpVP is especially useful.

--Dunbar
---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com mailto:vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <h_dunbar@...> wrote :

...These kind of calcs are easy to do. You just need a pay table with hand frequencies accurate to 5 significant figures. These kinds of tables can be found in VPW, DRA-VP, and WinPoker, among others. To analyze the question in Bob's column, you'd just start with a table of 9/6 JOB frequencies and change the Quad pay from 25 to 80 and the 2-pair pay from 2 to 1. Then multiply each pay times its corresponding frequency and add up the 10 terms. Your answer should be 99.61%.


--Dunbar





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[vpFREE] unbelievable

 

Yesterday playing 5-line Ultimate X had a remarkable experience ... Within an hour hit three royals on same machine, one for 3k ... Have had a couple in a short period of time over the years but never three.
Was over due for royal ... had been about 100,000 hands since last one

In addition was dealt 3oak 35+ times and hit quads just twice ... but ... within 10 mins hit aces 3 times drawing two twice and three the other time.
Saturday my wife filled in a one-card draw royal for 12k and another for 2k. It is nice to have a spectacular day or two once in a while.
Ultimate X is not for the faint of heart. You better have a decent size bank roll if you are going to play this. A thousand bucks won't even get you warmed up, even playing quarters. The losses can be devastating but the wins most fulfilling.

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Re: [vpFREE] Bob Dancer's LVA

 

I should have noted that the "easy" calc I outlined can only be done when the 2 games have the same payout categories, which is the case for JOB and BPD. You could not, however, use this method to find the cost of using JOB strategy while playing a DDB game, because DDB has separate payouts for different quad ranks. For a calc like getting the cost of using JOB strategy to play DDB, a dedicated feature like DanP described in OpVP is especially useful.

--Dunbar
---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <h_dunbar@...> wrote :

...These kind of calcs are easy to do. You just need a pay table with hand frequencies accurate to 5 significant figures. These kinds of tables can be found in VPW, DRA-VP, and WinPoker, among others. To analyze the question in Bob's column, you'd just start with a table of 9/6 JOB frequencies and change the Quad pay from 25 to 80 and the 2-pair pay from 2 to 1. Then multiply each pay times its corresponding frequency and add up the 10 terms. Your answer should be 99.61%.


--Dunbar

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Million dollar video poker hit

 

I doubt he was "staging" it, or using a test mode, he was probably
just playing on his buddy's machine for fun and happened to hit a
royal. If you're playing for fake money, why not play for BIG fake
money, right? :)

Cheers,

Five

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