[vpFREE] Re: RNG question

 

What you have here is a possible maybe. The problem is you are only one person and what your are noticing is well know urban "legend?".

People are suggestible, so if you heard this somewhere, you could be predisposed to notice it. You would not be predisposed to notice other patterns that you weren't looking for.

In order to prove or disprove this theory, we'd have to take a random sampling from all the people playing in the casino, not merely the ones that have experienced this pattern and noticed it.

It could turn out that just as many people are winning during the week and losing on the weekend, they simple aren't noticing it because they aren't looking for it.

It is entirely possible that what you suspect is true, however the only way you'll ever know for sure is a methodical unbiased and dispassionate application of the scientific method.

Good luck, and let us all know what you find out if you get more hard data.

~FK

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "cheryl10jqka" <cheryl.mohme@...> wrote:I often have wondered this too. I would swear they "tighten" things up on Fri and Sat nights at the Indian casino I frequent. No problem hitting the expected decent wins middle of the week, but the weekend rolls around and I can't play half the time on my usual session $ amount.

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[vpFREE] Re: More on Bill Zender

 

Indeed, will be a great show--he's been on Vegas Gang and Dr. Dave's pocasts--IIRC, he specifically instructed his blackjack dealers at the old Aladdin to cut off only half a deck off of a six-deck shoe--his rationale goes along with what you've already said

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@...> wrote:
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> Don't miss this week's Bob & Frank Show, because this guy Bill Zender is really interesting. Here are a few of his ideas on blackjack.
>
> For one thing, he seems to think the "danger" to the casinos' bottom line, from card counters, is HIGHLY over-rated. Essentially, if a player isn't wagering big money, it's hardly worth even worrying about. I don't think I am misrepresenting his view by saying that green chip players should practically be ignored as far as card counting is concerned.
>
> Also, I believe he thinks the "no mid-shoe entry" rule is counter productive. Not only is it rare that a player is competent enough to be of concern, but even if he is competent and trying to jump into the middle of a positive shoe the mathematical "cost" is minimal. At most, the player should be observed later. And besides, it just sends the wrong message saying that "We do not want you playing."
>
> And here's something I found especially interesting. In regard to shoe penetration, Zender apparently thinks there should be DEEPER penetration, not less. Again, he feels that the number of competent counters is over-rated, but even so, the threat from counters is dwarfed by the fact that less penetration means less hands dealt out, or less decisions rendered, and thus it costs the casinos in the long run.
>
> Fascinating! I am so looking forward to this week's show.
>

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Re: [vpFREE] Red Rock comp rate for tourists

 

At 02:51 AM 7/17/2011, you wrote:

>
>
>Interested in tomflush news here.
>
>I emailed a Red Rock host, spelled out what Sam's Town offers us so
>we could switch to RR, and never heard from the host. Would have
>assumed they would match another casino's offer if they were looking
>for business from tourists.
>
>Or maybe business is just too good mid-week in July.

I am interested in what the host said if you called.

I am also a tourist and have stayed twice at Red Rock in the past 2
months. I am just using my regular Station casinos comps, (that are
good at any Station casino.) This limits me to only 3 nights a trip
though and I would rather stay 4 nights.

Before I take a trip with hubby, I also need to contact the a Red
Rock host to get the 4th night. I have a regular host at Sunset
station and can get a suite there with all food - but I sort of doubt
I would be comped at this caliber at Red Rock.

I don't think business is all that good mid-week in July. There
seemed to be many empty rooms on both my visits. They weren't even
full on July 4, no Station casino was completely booked up.

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RE: [vpFREE] RNG question

 

For major brands - IGT, Bally, WMS Gaming, Sigma etc. no. (IGT has an "Class
2" game that has a "genie" bonus feature. Class 2 is a term applied to
Indian casinos in a few states that are not allowed to have true video
poker. It is really a slot machine based on bingo or a lottery and is for
all practical purposes is a slot machine. On these it also does not matter
what cards you hold. The machine will use the genie (Other brands use a
"match card bonus") to obtain the intended result if you mis-hold. If there
is no genie or match card then you are playing normal video poker. Normally
the pay tables shown on these fakes are a lot better.) Not getting a 4 of a
kind from 30 dealt trips is hardly unusual and on a given 30 tries will miss
completely about 1/4 of the time. I doubt you were playing a gaffed machine.
6-5 DDB is such a bad game that they do not need to cheat you.

From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpFREE@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
uofmsucks1@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 9:49 PM
To: vpfree@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] RNG question

Hi all. I am a novice, recreational player. I stayed and played (if you
could call it that) at the Westin in St. Maarten. I lost playing at
Double Double Bonus machine's 6/5 payout (yes, that is correct). I realize
that
the odds are embarrassing, but my question is, can a casino (that is non
regulated), work the RNG to deal limited four of a kinds? Besides getting
spanked by the poor payouts, I felt cheated by the number of four of a kinds

that I received. Without embelishing, I would guesstimate, that I was
dealt three of a kind in over 30 situations, to NEVER land a four of a kind
on
the draw! Can casino's that are non regulated, tamper or set payout
limits? Thank you.

Regards,
Steve

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[vpFREE] Re: RNG question

 

I often have wondered this too. I would swear they "tighten" things up on Fri and Sat nights at the Indian casino I frequent. No problem hitting the expected decent wins middle of the week, but the weekend rolls around and I can't play half the time on my usual session $ amount.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, uofmsucks1@... wrote:
>
> Hi all. I am a novice, recreational player. I stayed and played (if you
> could call it that) at the Westin in St. Maarten. I lost playing at
> Double Double Bonus machine's 6/5 payout (yes, that is correct). I realize that
> the odds are embarrassing, but my question is, can a casino (that is non
> regulated), work the RNG to deal limited four of a kinds? Besides getting
> spanked by the poor payouts, I felt cheated by the number of four of a kinds
> that I received. Without embelishing, I would guesstimate, that I was
> dealt three of a kind in over 30 situations, to NEVER land a four of a kind on
> the draw! Can casino's that are non regulated, tamper or set payout
> limits? Thank you.
>
> Regards,
> Steve
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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[vpFREE] RNG question

 

Hi all. I am a novice, recreational player. I stayed and played (if you
could call it that) at the Westin in St. Maarten. I lost playing at
Double Double Bonus machine's 6/5 payout (yes, that is correct). I realize that
the odds are embarrassing, but my question is, can a casino (that is non
regulated), work the RNG to deal limited four of a kinds? Besides getting
spanked by the poor payouts, I felt cheated by the number of four of a kinds
that I received. Without embelishing, I would guesstimate, that I was
dealt three of a kind in over 30 situations, to NEVER land a four of a kind on
the draw! Can casino's that are non regulated, tamper or set payout
limits? Thank you.

Regards,
Steve

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[vpFREE] Steve Wynn speaking about Obama

 
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[vpFREE] Re: SP vs. The M. Was: New Game Suggestion for FrankNBobs

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Sai Sai" <gofastnismo@...> wrote:
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> I think your comprehension is lacking. I would think anyone would know I was talking VP. What Im trying to spit out in a nice way is that your full of bs.

Therein lies the confusion, or part of it anyway. Y'see, when you said that some of your friends keep notes on their poker sessions, I actually thought you meant that literally. You know, like in, POKER.

Silly me, I should have read your mind and realized you meant video poker. Of course, you are the only long time professional video poker player I know of who calls it "poker" instead of "video poker", but I will be ready for you next time and hopefully it should not confuse me. Thanks for your patience.

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[vpFREE] Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 19 JUL 2011

 

Jean Scott's Frugal Vegas LVA BLOG - 19 JUL 2011

"Frugal Plum to Frugal Breeze"

http://jscott.lvablog.com/?p=1446

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[vpFREE] Re: SP vs. The M. Was: New Game Suggestion for FrankNBobs

 

I think your comprehension is lacking. I would think anyone would know I was talking VP. What Im trying to spit out in a nice way is that your full of bs. You sound like someone with a lot to say with nothing to back it up except with what others have to say on the subject like Frank. Hes lived the lifestyle. Mickey is a seasoned vet and I respect his comments. Ive done my fair share of living on gambling. This is leading no where so Im going to leave it alone now. Grumpy old men will be grumpy old men.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@...> wrote:
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Sai Sai" <gofastnismo@> wrote:
> >
> > Not different at all just a different level of accuracy to make sure the casino is honest or for personal reference. Ive seen people keep accurate records of flushes and full houses. To each his own but it is no different. Ive seen quite a few oddities in poker over the years and took records on a few of them in the 100s of thousands of hands. How much do you actually play Bob? Id like to know that someone talking about poker and math actually has put some time in. I probably average 1.5-2 million hands a year at the least.
> >
>
>
> Although I typically find it difficult to distinguish what your point is, Sai, I thought I was doing pretty good with my reading comprehension when reading your paragraph above. That is, until I came to the last part, the part where you play a million hands a year, and then I got lost again. That's some pretty fast poker dealers where you play, Sai. I mean, are you talking about poker, or video poker? You said "poker" more than once. What are you trying to say, Sai? Spit it out. lol
>

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[vpFREE] Re: Progressive Play Disclaimer

 

Sorry Peter, there may be a misunderstanding. RoR (at least the one I used) assumes infinite hands. Therefore, for negative games the RoR is always 100% with infinite bankroll.

I think you are looking at the bankroll calculator in VPW. The RoR feature is in the bottom right of that screen. It is a different equation.

I'm not familiar with Dunbar's software.

~FK

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Peter" <bornloser1537@...> wrote:
A $4,000 bankroll will let you play about 10,000 hands of 9/6 JOB at the $1.00 level with less than a 1% ROR.

Thus, at the $0.25 level, $1,000 should suffice for 10,000 hands.

At least according to Dunbar's and Dancer's software.

..... bl

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@> wrote:

I can't list a recommended bankroll for 9/6 JoB because as it is a negative expectancy game

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[vpFREE] Re: Free Play Frenzy at Eastide Cannery

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bo Farrwood" <bfarrwood@...> wrote:
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> I played 50K at the Eastside Cannery on Sunday on 2$ Bonus
> Poker from 12-5. I've never played here, and assumed it was
> their best promotion. I didnt win a single 50$ freeplay.
> Unless I just was really unlucky, It must not be based on
> coin in?

According to their website, this promo awards $50 every minute from 12-5 on Sundays. It seems very unlikely that you didn't win even one $50 during the five hours. I would have read the complete rules to make sure I was in compliance, then inquired about not winning. But of course they aren't likely to admit something went wrong.

I don't play at this casino (and I don't know anyone who does since they slashed paytables and slot club benefits) but at other casinos who have had something similar, total coin-in doesn't matter. Anyone playing has an equal chance at winning whether they're playing $2 or 1c.

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[vpFREE] Re: SP vs. The M. Was: New Game Suggestion for FrankNBobs

 

Well don't confuse a humorous turn of phrase with a serious scientific theory. I was going for cute, not accurate. Yes we will have a lot to talk about in the coming weeks.

To give you something to think about, my definition of "math" appears to include and overlap your definition of "luck"...and your definition of "luck" has little to no overlap with my definition of "luck".

In the last few weeks I've been trying to highlight some of the more extreme differences in how people can perceive and interpret identical information. Between this forum and the others I've now received 12 distinct definitions for the word "today".

With a word like "luck" or "lucky" you'll find even more variation.

The path to mutual understanding is not going to be an easy one, but I'm committed to walking it regardless of the destination.

~FK

~Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore. ~Andre Gide

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rob.singer1111" <rob.singer1111@...> wrote:Cute theory, that is, until reality comes into play (and Frank, I'm sure we'll be discussing this in the weeks ahead). Reality? The math is there allright--but it's always on the side of the casinos. Without a doubt. Just take a look up at all the buildings in & around LV, then try and keep up with all the promotions and giveaways going on non-stop around town.

Yes, when you go up against the math, you are not going to win without a whole lot of luck.

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RE: [vpFREE] Coast Connection still published?

 

I am told it will be "Quarterly."

Scot

-----Original Message-----
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpFREE@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
gamb00ler
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 9:04 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Coast Connection still published?

I haven't seen recent mention of the Coast Connection.

Is there a regular or somewhat regular publishing schedule for it?

Thanks,
Gamb00ler

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[vpFREE] Coast Connection still published?

 

I haven't seen recent mention of the Coast Connection.

Is there a regular or somewhat regular publishing schedule for it?

Thanks,
Gamb00ler

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