RE: [vpFREE] CONUNDRUM

 

 

On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 4:35 PM, C <clementiyn@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

 

If cards are never deactivated, that guy can run his scam for months and months at a time. 


---Maybe a month or two. If he’s not adding any new play the offers will dry up quickly.

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Re: [vpFREE] CONUNDRUM

 

Richard Gordon wrote:

>C::
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>The casino is Arizona Charlie's. I don't believe they are that
>sophisticated, nor is there any reason for anyone to play on multi cards

Yes, just the opposite is true due to their tier arrangement. My wife
was playing next to me on my card and, after quite a while, I was
asked to have her play on her own card, but that was the extent of the
"crackdown."

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Re: [vpFREE] CONUNDRUM

 

C::

The casino is Arizona Charlie's. I don't believe they are that sophisticated, nor is there any reason for anyone to play on multi cards


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 4:35 PM, C <clementiyn@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Are the machines you play equipped with photo recognition that verifies your identity before letting you play on that card? Photo on the card is irrelevant.

What they are trying to prevent is the guy who shows up with 20 different players cards and cycles through all of them without ever visiting the players club. Those cards could have photos of the Muppets on them and the Game King machines won't care.

If cards are never deactivated, that guy can run his scam for months and months at a time. 

On Feb 18, 2014, at 3:30 PM, Richard Gordon <theolflash@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Clementiyn, your concept of fraud prevention is interesting, but my photo is on their cards


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:04 PM, C <clementiyn@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Sounds like fraud prevention by the casino. Easiest way to defeat the people using multiple cards is to deactivate them all and make you show up at the players club with an ID to get new ones. 

And I'm not surprised they wouldn't tell you why.


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RE: [vpFREE] Las Vegas Trip Report

 

Thanks for the report!


To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: bayfieldkent@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 12:22:06 -0800
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Las Vegas Trip Report

 

Nice!  Great report - thanks for sharing!

Jigger


From: Robert Berger <bob.berger1@verizon.net>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 12:20 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Las Vegas Trip Report



This was our first trip to Las Vegas in five years.  What prompted us to go was a nice offer from Wynn for 3 free nights plus several hundred dollars in free play.  We are definitely not high rollers & never played much at Wynn during our previous visits to Las Vegas, so we don't know why we got the offer.  Sue's Diamond status at Caesars properties gave us another 4 free nights in Las Vegas which we were able to schedule back to back with the Wynn stay.  Since we live in New Jersey & have casinos, the main attraction of Las Vegas for us is the variety of shows available & the winter weather.
For the Caesars part of the trip we chose to stay at the Rio Resort because it is off the Las Vegas Strip which tends to be less crowded & every room is a mini-suite with floor to ceiling windows.  We found the Rio to Harrah's free shuttle convenient when going to & from a Harrah's show.  We enjoyed the Rio with its very nice rooms & friendly staff.  Sue's Diamond card allowed us to use VIP Check-in (& free bottled water).
Wynn was beautiful.  The room was spacious with a view of the golf course & waterfall from the 23rd floor.  The room had nice central electronic controls: to open/close the curtains, turn on / dim / turn off the lights & control the nightlight under the bathroom sinks.  The 2 large vases of red tulips at the bottom of the elevators were replaced daily; a nice touch.  We enjoyed the Wynn with its very nice rooms & friendly staff.
Our son joined us from Denver for the middle part of this trip.  He got free rooms at the Rio & then Flamingo.
Food is not a big item with us, but we did have a dinner at the Voodoo Steakhouse at the Rio.  The steak was very good & the nighttime view from the 50th floor is very nice.  We were able to use Sue's $100 Diamond Renewal coupon to make the cost reasonable.
We saw four shows on this trip.  We attended Le Reve at Wynn, but made it even better by taking the Backstage Tour.  The tour was held at 4 PM & took about an hour.  We had two guides who took us from below the pool level all the way up to the Low Grid level, about 60 feet above the pool.  We met & talked to several of the backstage staff about their work and saw many of the props used in the show.  The show started at 7 PM.  We have seen several of the Cirque shows & this show was on a par with those; Le Reve most closely resembles "O" since it is water based.  We enjoyed the show & having the Backstage Tour prior to the show added to the enjoyment.
Sue's Caesars Diamond card entitled her to two free show tickets per month from a list provided at the Total Rewards Center.  My Platinum card entitled me to Buy One Get One Free tickets from the same list.  The Total Rewards Center issues you a voucher for the show you choose & you go to the corresponding casino to actually book the show & get the tickets.
The list of shows included Flamingo: Vinnie Favorito & Legends in Concert,
Harrah's: Defending the Caveman, Improv, Mac King & Million Dollar Quartet
Paris: Eiffel Tower Experience
Quad: Jeff Civillico & Frank Marino's Divas
Rio: Penn & Teller, XRock & MJ Live
With the two free tickets we saw Defending the Caveman at Harrah's.  It is a one man monologue about male/female relationships.  Females in the audience reacted to some of the lines while males enjoyed other lines, but it was too slow for our tastes.
We also saw Jeff Civillico at the Quad using our Buy One Get One Free tickets.  Jeff is a humorous juggler who gets the audience involved in his act.  We thoroughly enjoyed this show.
The last show we saw was Terry Fator at the Mirage.  We booked great seats online about a month before the trip.  We both thoroughly enjoyed this show.
The highlight of the trip was a Segway tour of the Las Vegas Strip.  We booked the tour with Segway of Las Vegas (segwaylasvegas.com).  Bob Stevens (Segway Bob) met us at our hotel.  He brought the Segways in his van.  Sue & I had ridden a Segway once before in the Bahamas, but our adult son had not.  After 5 to 10 minutes of training we were off.  We started at 10 AM so the sidewalks weren't overly crowded.  We started at Wynn & went down the Strip to MGM where we crossed over to NY NY & proceeded to the Fashion Show Mall & back to Wynn.  We stopped periodically for Segway Bob to give us some history or interesting facts about the area.  The tour took about 2 hours.  We were amazed that we went into elevators, on pedestrian overpasses, into shopping malls and even through one casino while on the Segways.
On the gambling side, we played mostly at the hotels we stayed in & the ones we visited for shows.  That included Wynn, Rio, Flamingo, Harrah's & Mirage.  As expected, the video poker selection was limited with generally poor pay tables.  On the last morning we played 2 hours at Palms & found the VP more to our liking.
Sue hit three Royal Flushes at Rio & came out well ahead.  I did not.  My best run was on a short pay Quick Quads Triple Play quarters at Rio.  I hit 12 Quick Quads in about 2 hours, 2 of them dealt.  But the law of averages caught up to me.  I wish Four of a Royal paid something.
The biggest expense on the trip was the non-free shows.  We could have gotten away a lot cheaper, but we were willing to splurge for the associated tours & great show seats.  We used frequent flyer miles for our first class airfare & Total Reward credits for several meals & internet access, etc. at Caesars properties as well as Sue's Diamond Renewal Coupon.
It was a very enjoyable trip & inexpensive trip.
From Bob B.
 





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Re: [vpFREE] CONUNDRUM

 

Are the machines you play equipped with photo recognition that verifies your identity before letting you play on that card? Photo on the card is irrelevant.

What they are trying to prevent is the guy who shows up with 20 different players cards and cycles through all of them without ever visiting the players club. Those cards could have photos of the Muppets on them and the Game King machines won't care.

If cards are never deactivated, that guy can run his scam for months and months at a time. 

On Feb 18, 2014, at 3:30 PM, Richard Gordon <theolflash@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Clementiyn, your concept of fraud prevention is interesting, but my photo is on their cards


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:04 PM, C <clementiyn@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Sounds like fraud prevention by the casino. Easiest way to defeat the people using multiple cards is to deactivate them all and make you show up at the players club with an ID to get new ones. 

And I'm not surprised they wouldn't tell you why.

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Re: [vpFREE] CONUNDRUM

 

Clementiyn, your concept of fraud prevention is interesting, but my photo is on their cards


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:04 PM, C <clementiyn@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Sounds like fraud prevention by the casino. Easiest way to defeat the people using multiple cards is to deactivate them all and make you show up at the players club with an ID to get new ones. 

And I'm not surprised they wouldn't tell you why.

On Feb 18, 2014, at 12:51 PM, Richard Gordon <theolflash@gmail.com> wrote:

 

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Apparently, at some point,  someone or something had deactivated all the existing cards I had from that casino, no matter where they were located, while leaving my account intact

I wonder whether anyone has encountered this situation, and/ or has the technical expertise (or perhaps imagination) to come up with an explanation. The casino couldn't (or wouldn't)


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Re: [vpFREE] CONUNDRUM

 

I think when something like this happened to me it was due to the magnetic catch on my cell phone case.
I put the players card in same pocket with the cell phone case and it stopped working.

Dennis
vp-connoisseur

Richard Gordon wrote:



When I leave home, I carry a stack of player's cards, which includes 2 from each of the casinos I play regularly

The other morning, I arrived at a casino and the first card I inserted in a machine didn't work, so I inserted the second, with the same result. I asked a floor person if the system was down, and she said it wasn't. We went to a kiosk, where I swiped both cards. but could not access my account. She suggested they had been demagnetized.. Went to my car where I keep spares, and returned with another card, which also failed to work  I decided that their system must be down, and went elsewhere

That evening, I tried to use one of my cards at their steakhouse, and was told it wasn't valid. I had 2 new cards made, which worked perfectly, and there was no problem with any aspect of my account.

The next day, just out of curiosity, I brought a different card from home, and found it did not work, although the new cards did.

Apparently, at some point,  someone or something had deactivated all the existing cards I had from that casino, no matter where they were located, while leaving my account intact

I wonder whether anyone has encountered this situation, and/ or has the technical expertise (or perhaps imagination) to come up with an explanation. The casino couldn't (or wouldn't)


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Re: [vpFREE] CONUNDRUM

 

Sounds like fraud prevention by the casino. Easiest way to defeat the people using multiple cards is to deactivate them all and make you show up at the players club with an ID to get new ones. 

And I'm not surprised they wouldn't tell you why.

On Feb 18, 2014, at 12:51 PM, Richard Gordon <theolflash@gmail.com> wrote:

 

....

Apparently, at some point,  someone or something had deactivated all the existing cards I had from that casino, no matter where they were located, while leaving my account intact

I wonder whether anyone has encountered this situation, and/ or has the technical expertise (or perhaps imagination) to come up with an explanation. The casino couldn't (or wouldn't)

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[vpFREE] CONUNDRUM

 



When I leave home, I carry a stack of player's cards, which includes 2 from each of the casinos I play regularly

The other morning, I arrived at a casino and the first card I inserted in a machine didn't work, so I inserted the second, with the same result. I asked a floor person if the system was down, and she said it wasn't. We went to a kiosk, where I swiped both cards. but could not access my account. She suggested they had been demagnetized.. Went to my car where I keep spares, and returned with another card, which also failed to work  I decided that their system must be down, and went elsewhere

That evening, I tried to use one of my cards at their steakhouse, and was told it wasn't valid. I had 2 new cards made, which worked perfectly, and there was no problem with any aspect of my account.

The next day, just out of curiosity, I brought a different card from home, and found it did not work, although the new cards did.

Apparently, at some point,  someone or something had deactivated all the existing cards I had from that casino, no matter where they were located, while leaving my account intact

I wonder whether anyone has encountered this situation, and/ or has the technical expertise (or perhaps imagination) to come up with an explanation. The casino couldn't (or wouldn't)


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Re: [vpFREE] Las Vegas Trip Report

 

Nice!  Great report - thanks for sharing!

Jigger


From: Robert Berger <bob.berger1@verizon.net>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 12:20 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Las Vegas Trip Report



This was our first trip to Las Vegas in five years.  What prompted us to go was a nice offer from Wynn for 3 free nights plus several hundred dollars in free play.  We are definitely not high rollers & never played much at Wynn during our previous visits to Las Vegas, so we don't know why we got the offer.  Sue's Diamond status at Caesars properties gave us another 4 free nights in Las Vegas which we were able to schedule back to back with the Wynn stay.  Since we live in New Jersey & have casinos, the main attraction of Las Vegas for us is the variety of shows available & the winter weather.
For the Caesars part of the trip we chose to stay at the Rio Resort because it is off the Las Vegas Strip which tends to be less crowded & every room is a mini-suite with floor to ceiling windows.  We found the Rio to Harrah's free shuttle convenient when going to & from a Harrah's show.  We enjoyed the Rio with its very nice rooms & friendly staff.  Sue's Diamond card allowed us to use VIP Check-in (& free bottled water).
Wynn was beautiful.  The room was spacious with a view of the golf course & waterfall from the 23rd floor.  The room had nice central electronic controls: to open/close the curtains, turn on / dim / turn off the lights & control the nightlight under the bathroom sinks.  The 2 large vases of red tulips at the bottom of the elevators were replaced daily; a nice touch.  We enjoyed the Wynn with its very nice rooms & friendly staff.
Our son joined us from Denver for the middle part of this trip.  He got free rooms at the Rio & then Flamingo.
Food is not a big item with us, but we did have a dinner at the Voodoo Steakhouse at the Rio.  The steak was very good & the nighttime view from the 50th floor is very nice.  We were able to use Sue's $100 Diamond Renewal coupon to make the cost reasonable.
We saw four shows on this trip.  We attended Le Reve at Wynn, but made it even better by taking the Backstage Tour.  The tour was held at 4 PM & took about an hour.  We had two guides who took us from below the pool level all the way up to the Low Grid level, about 60 feet above the pool.  We met & talked to several of the backstage staff about their work and saw many of the props used in the show.  The show started at 7 PM.  We have seen several of the Cirque shows & this show was on a par with those; Le Reve most closely resembles "O" since it is water based.  We enjoyed the show & having the Backstage Tour prior to the show added to the enjoyment.
Sue's Caesars Diamond card entitled her to two free show tickets per month from a list provided at the Total Rewards Center.  My Platinum card entitled me to Buy One Get One Free tickets from the same list.  The Total Rewards Center issues you a voucher for the show you choose & you go to the corresponding casino to actually book the show & get the tickets.
The list of shows included Flamingo: Vinnie Favorito & Legends in Concert,
Harrah's: Defending the Caveman, Improv, Mac King & Million Dollar Quartet
Paris: Eiffel Tower Experience
Quad: Jeff Civillico & Frank Marino's Divas
Rio: Penn & Teller, XRock & MJ Live
With the two free tickets we saw Defending the Caveman at Harrah's.  It is a one man monologue about male/female relationships.  Females in the audience reacted to some of the lines while males enjoyed other lines, but it was too slow for our tastes.
We also saw Jeff Civillico at the Quad using our Buy One Get One Free tickets.  Jeff is a humorous juggler who gets the audience involved in his act.  We thoroughly enjoyed this show.
The last show we saw was Terry Fator at the Mirage.  We booked great seats online about a month before the trip.  We both thoroughly enjoyed this show.
The highlight of the trip was a Segway tour of the Las Vegas Strip.  We booked the tour with Segway of Las Vegas (segwaylasvegas.com).  Bob Stevens (Segway Bob) met us at our hotel.  He brought the Segways in his van.  Sue & I had ridden a Segway once before in the Bahamas, but our adult son had not.  After 5 to 10 minutes of training we were off.  We started at 10 AM so the sidewalks weren't overly crowded.  We started at Wynn & went down the Strip to MGM where we crossed over to NY NY & proceeded to the Fashion Show Mall & back to Wynn.  We stopped periodically for Segway Bob to give us some history or interesting facts about the area.  The tour took about 2 hours.  We were amazed that we went into elevators, on pedestrian overpasses, into shopping malls and even through one casino while on the Segways.
On the gambling side, we played mostly at the hotels we stayed in & the ones we visited for shows.  That included Wynn, Rio, Flamingo, Harrah's & Mirage.  As expected, the video poker selection was limited with generally poor pay tables.  On the last morning we played 2 hours at Palms & found the VP more to our liking.
Sue hit three Royal Flushes at Rio & came out well ahead.  I did not.  My best run was on a short pay Quick Quads Triple Play quarters at Rio.  I hit 12 Quick Quads in about 2 hours, 2 of them dealt.  But the law of averages caught up to me.  I wish Four of a Royal paid something.
The biggest expense on the trip was the non-free shows.  We could have gotten away a lot cheaper, but we were willing to splurge for the associated tours & great show seats.  We used frequent flyer miles for our first class airfare & Total Reward credits for several meals & internet access, etc. at Caesars properties as well as Sue's Diamond Renewal Coupon.
It was a very enjoyable trip & inexpensive trip.
From Bob B.
 




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