<<After you sign into your Mlife account, it comes up when you click on your
Holiday Gift Shoppe point balance.>>
Thanx so much!
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http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/
Re: [vpFREE] Re: Mlife Slot Club Calculator
Re: [vpFREE] rob singer
On 31 May 2011 at 5:06, jim_mason7 wrote:
> Who let this guy back on the main web site? He was banned period!
Rob Singer has never been banned on vpFREE.
Discussions of his system(s) and results have always been relegated
to FREEvpFREE, and he has usually been moderated when he has
periodically participated on vpFREE, but as long as he observes our
rules, he is welcome.
vpFREE Administrator
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See my Message #114844:
29 MAY 2011
Rob Singer has re-joined vpFREE and will be posting
a report on Casino Monte Lago.
Rob will not post anything about his system(s) or
video poker results on vpFREE. Any discussion of them
should be done on FREEvpFREE, where he can discuss
his methods in detail.
Anyone not familiar with Rob should read FAQ #50:
http://members.cox.net/vpfree/FAQ.htm#50
vpFREE Administrator
[vpFREE] rob singer
Who let this guy back on the main web site? He was banned period!
[vpFREE] Re: The New Progressives At The M
The IRS put the teams out of business. It's in Frank's book.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:
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> Since the Joker Poker is now at 102% plus freebies I wonder why these much heralded "teams" aren't banging away at all 20 machines 24/7?
> LOL.
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "the7thwarrior" <Judy@> wrote:
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> > I am NOT thinking EV. I am NOT talking long term, months, years.
> >
> > I am thinking if you want to lose $20, or $100, as most are doing at these progressives. May as well spend it at a game where it will be life changing, rather than a few thousand dollars.
> > Your money will last about the same amount of time, IF you don't hit the jackpot. (A variance of up to 300 vs. Jacks or Better at 19.)
> >
> > I must admit I am guilty of Royal chasing. But how long are you gonna play before you hit something? How many thousands are you willing to dump into the machine to hit it?
> >
> > With a 100% around $2750 for this machine, that means (without cashback and club benefits) you are willing to lose a over $2700 to hit that quarter Royal to make $50.
> >
> > That is if everything goes as planned. And you get that Royal within the 30 to 50 thousand hands as statistics shows. If you are unlucky and it goes beyond that, as this progressive has already done, then you lose even when you hit it.
> >
> > The progressive goes up about 1/2 of one cent every time someone plays. So it has risen over $1500. Or if my shaky math is correct been played, 300,000 times. Of course not everyone is playing that game of course. Some are playing more familiar ones, but even if it is being played only 1/8 the time, (8 games on the machine) it is still "overdue" for that elusive Royal.
> >
> > Most of us are not playing for days on end to hit that Royal, but taking pot shots at it. Someone will sit down with $5 and hit it.
> > Like the lottery, someone has to win.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Cohen <brucedcohen2002@> wrote:
> > >
> > > This kind of thinking/mathematics makes zero sense to me.
> > > Â
> > > If you take out the jackpots/royals/4 dueces from ANY
> > > game the paytable worsens.
> > > Â
> > > The casino WILL be paying them off and they ARE
> > > part of your EV for sure.
> > > Â
> > > Saying that playing an over 100% game with less than 5%
> > > of your Ev being the big jackpots is like Megabucks, an
> > > under 50% game with more than 5% of your Ev being
> > > on the jackpots doesn't make sense.
> > > Â
> > > Am I missing something, or does Miss Realtor just
> > > not like Frank and Bob?
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 5/30/11, the7thwarrior <Judy@> wrote:
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> > > From: the7thwarrior <Judy@>
> > > Subject: [vpFREE] Re: The New Progressives At The M
> > > To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Monday, May 30, 2011, 10:13 AM
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> > > As I said at the beginning, these games are for suckers.
> > > Royal chasing suckers!
> > >
> > > No matter what strategy you use, the paytables are set so low, if play for any length of time, and you don't hit the Royal, you lose. PERIOD!
> > >
> > > Great Money maker for M. Great publicity creator for M. All bad for the average player.
> > >
> > > The progressives are doing their job. Getting people to talk about and revisit the place. Most will not just walk in and walk out, but drop a few bucks along the way in OTHER machines. THe billboard is an outright lie. Even at 16,000 coins you don't reach 102%.But the UP TO is in front of that number. Maybe they are "set to hit" at that mark. Will be interesting to see. Why don't they just say, up to 200% payback? Royal up to one million coins? It could get there. Theorectically that is if no one hits for a very long time and people keep playing it. Not likely, but it could happen.
> > >
> > > May as well play megabucks. At least then when you hit it, you win something worthwhile.
> > >
> > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rob.singer1111" <rob.singer1111@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm sure lots of opinions and comments have been made about these interestingly different machines. I've sat and played at the 25c SDBP ($1650 RF) version for 45 minutes as a test (quitting with a meaningless profit when four J's were hit), I've gone over all the numbers, and I have my own view of what these new machines mean to the casino and the player.
> > > >
> > > > As has been said, anyone who plays the lousy paytables when the royals are small is at a serious disadvantage, and some WILL play them at low royal levels. But since every credit bet on SDBP (or whatever game) contributes the exact same .5% to all 8 royals, the theory is the "experts" will only play the >100% games when they go that high, and in doing so, in conjunction with the unskilled players going at the lesser valued royals, they'll raise the royals on the other 7 or so games to "playable levels", thereby always having something positive to go after.
> > > >
> > > > BTW the signs around the casino aren't true. "Up to 102.5%", if the machines are fair, is wrong. If the royals aren't hit by the time the games reach a theoretical 102.5%, obviously it goes higher. Unless I'm missing something. Am I?
> > > >
> > > > It is very clear these machines will be just another money-maker for the casino and are a bad deal for the player. The optimal royal flush strategies for progressives of this type are a constantly moving target, and no expert, including yours truly, is capable of learning and then applying absolute expert strategy on so many different games on an as-required basis. As a result, even the best of players will continue to play at a sub 100% level no matter how high the royals go.
> > > >
> > > > At the end of the day these machines simply become nothing more than a pot shot for players seeking the thrill of hitting large 25c/50c/$1 royals. I was surprised that when I was playing them last Saturday night around 9pm, there was only one other person playing. You can tell the meters run much faster than anything we've seen in years. But when people stopped by to look the games over they didn't really care what the royals were. All they commented on were the poor pay tables.
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[vpFREE] M progressives
I happen to be at the 'M' last Sat and Sun by chance. I tried the Joker poker but not knowing the game well I stopped at $20.00 loss. Almost nobody playing them. I thought that by the weekend there would be lines to play them. Not! The meter will not go up very much and if it does, the people in the know will delete it and there wil be very little play until it goes up again. (A bennie for M) Seems that Rob has the right thought on this play. (Did I just say that?) And I like the 'M'.
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Rob Singer wrote;
At the end of the day these machines simply become nothing more than a pot shot for players seeking the thrill of hitting large 25c/50c/$1 royals. I was surprised that when I was playing them last Saturday night around 9pm, there was only one other person playing. You can tell the meters run much faster than anything we've seen in years. But when people stopped by to look the games over they didn't really care what the royals were. All they commented on were the poor pay tables.
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[vpFREE] Re: Tips
It's not difficult to see the anxiety a casino tipping thread releases. After all, it's a practice driven by worry, embarrassment, and the all-important but readily-deniable "intimidation factor".
In casino/hotels I tip cocktail servers, bartenders, bell hops and valet attendants--and no one else. Over the years I've had countless handpays from $400 up to $100,000, I always only accept cash, and I have never tipped anyone involved in reporting it or paying it off. Likewise, whenever I go to the cashier for a transaction, all they get is my thank you. I've played in the same places and have hit jackpots in those places many times over in front of the same smiling friendly faces, and regardless of all the tip-talking that comes my way, it doesn't rattle me one bit into handing over my money to any of them.
Why? Because I'm disciplined into not being intimidated into doing something foolish. I'm in there gambling. Will I get a tip if I lose? Of course not. So why give them anything for free when the glove's on the other hand? It makes no sense. As for the cashier, I just think about if I tip my bank tellers and it's case closed.
That thing about counting out the last hundred in twenties is tacky but I kind of like it. I feel that much better when expecting hands end up with nothing but air. The casino jackpot tipping phenomenon all begins with and ends with intimidation and embarrassment. Learn to control those and depending on how many W2G's you get every year, you can be saving from hundreds to thousands of dollars that you had been needlessly giving away.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, RWHANNU@... wrote:
> >>$5 for a $10,000 score isn't thrifty, its more insulting. You are better off not giving anything.
[vpFREE] Re: Tips
>>$5 for a $10,000 score isn't thrifty, its more insulting. You are better
off not giving anything.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nicolasbello" <nbello@...> wrote:
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> i'm pretty thrifty . if they go above and beyond the call of duty then
i'll tip up to $5. even for my latest $10K hit.
>
> for me they have to offer a picture, freebies, and more for to merit a
tip
Since becoming sort of a "local/regular" at a couple of places in town,
it's tough to not want to "share the wealth" a little bit on a hand pay with
employees who have gotten to know who you are and treat you decently. (I
tip $5 on a $100 handpay on the old coin out machines.) That being said,
I've never been tempted to tip the people at the cage, would never tip the
bartender more that about $20 on a Royal hand pay, and understand with
"pooled" tips at a lot of places, it all seems a little unfair anyway. But, as to
the folks who get bent out of shape about being given the last $100 in
small change, I can only hope they don't worry themselves into an early grave
as a result something as minor as this.
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[vpFREE] Re: The New Progressives At The M
"gamb00ler" wrote:
> For more detailed information on alternative strategies
> (i.e. differing from the usual max EV strategy) search for
> posts from Steve Jacobs.
The vpFREE FAQ contains this link to information about alternative
strategies courtesy of Steve Jacobs:
http://members.cox.net/vpfree/FAQ_S.htm
<a href="http://members.cox.net/vpfree/FAQ_S.htm">
http://members.cox.net/vpfree/FAQ_S.htm</a>
Re: [vpFREE] Mlife Slot Club Calculator
Mlife.com
Roberta Krull
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-----Original message-----
From: Jean Scott <queenofcomps@cox.net>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, May 30, 2011 22:59:56 GMT+00:00
Subject: [vpFREE] Mlife Slot Club Calculator
Someone mentioned that there was one on the MGM Website but I can't seem to
find it. And I don't remember just what it calculated - worth of slot club
points or maybe holiday gift points? Anyone able to help me out with this,
especially an URL?
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http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/
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[vpFREE] Re: Mlife Slot Club Calculator
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <queenofcomps@...> wrote:
>
> Someone mentioned that there was one on the MGM Website but I can't seem to
> find it. And I don't remember just what it calculated - worth of slot club
> points or maybe holiday gift points? Anyone able to help me out with this,
> especially an URL?
>
After you sign into your Mlife account, it comes up when you click on your Holiday Gift Shoppe point balance.
[vpFREE] Re: The New Progressives At The M
My point egg-zactly.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rob.singer1111" <rob.singer1111@...> wrote:
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> These so-called "teams" have too many seats to fill to guarantee they'll hit it and even if they do, with all the seats and the lousy paytables they'll more than likely pound themselves into oblivion instead.
>
Re: [vpFREE] Re: NICE MAN QUESTIONABLE ANSWERS Borgata
Yes but my losses last year were 6000 dollars.....rg
-----Original Message-----
From: mike <melbedewy1226@hotmail.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, May 30, 2011 7:37 pm
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: NICE MAN QUESTIONABLE ANSWERS Borgata
Well if you're playing JOB even $250K coin is only worth $1200 bucks a year to them. Minus whatever comps, cashback, free rooms, promotions, etc. you were able to suck up. If you won, they like you even less than that!
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, BANDSTAND54@... wrote:
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> Greetings
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> I wanted to know why someone who in the past made at least 250 trips to the Borgata and put in between 250-500 thousands dollar every loosing year was now getting 5 dollar offers. He said it was present history not past history. I said do whales get treated the same..he said YES.
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> So gang I am supposed to believe if they take a whale away from another casino until they prove themselves they will receive the minimum promotions. Right!
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> The Third Eye
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