This kind of thinking/mathematics makes zero sense to me.
If you take out the jackpots/royals/4 dueces from ANY
game the paytable worsens.
The casino WILL be paying them off and they ARE
part of your EV for sure.
Saying that playing an over 100% game with less than 5%
of your Ev being the big jackpots is like Megabucks, an
under 50% game with more than 5% of your Ev being
on the jackpots doesn't make sense.
Am I missing something, or does Miss Realtor just
not like Frank and Bob?
--- On Mon, 5/30/11, the7thwarrior <Judy@realtor.com> wrote:
From: the7thwarrior <Judy@realtor.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: The New Progressives At The M
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, May 30, 2011, 10:13 AM
As I said at the beginning, these games are for suckers.
Royal chasing suckers!
No matter what strategy you use, the paytables are set so low, if play for any length of time, and you don't hit the Royal, you lose. PERIOD!
Great Money maker for M. Great publicity creator for M. All bad for the average player.
The progressives are doing their job. Getting people to talk about and revisit the place. Most will not just walk in and walk out, but drop a few bucks along the way in OTHER machines. THe billboard is an outright lie. Even at 16,000 coins you don't reach 102%.But the UP TO is in front of that number. Maybe they are "set to hit" at that mark. Will be interesting to see. Why don't they just say, up to 200% payback? Royal up to one million coins? It could get there. Theorectically that is if no one hits for a very long time and people keep playing it. Not likely, but it could happen.
May as well play megabucks. At least then when you hit it, you win something worthwhile.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rob.singer1111" <rob.singer1111@...> wrote:
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> I'm sure lots of opinions and comments have been made about these interestingly different machines. I've sat and played at the 25c SDBP ($1650 RF) version for 45 minutes as a test (quitting with a meaningless profit when four J's were hit), I've gone over all the numbers, and I have my own view of what these new machines mean to the casino and the player.
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> As has been said, anyone who plays the lousy paytables when the royals are small is at a serious disadvantage, and some WILL play them at low royal levels. But since every credit bet on SDBP (or whatever game) contributes the exact same .5% to all 8 royals, the theory is the "experts" will only play the >100% games when they go that high, and in doing so, in conjunction with the unskilled players going at the lesser valued royals, they'll raise the royals on the other 7 or so games to "playable levels", thereby always having something positive to go after.
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> BTW the signs around the casino aren't true. "Up to 102.5%", if the machines are fair, is wrong. If the royals aren't hit by the time the games reach a theoretical 102.5%, obviously it goes higher. Unless I'm missing something. Am I?
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> It is very clear these machines will be just another money-maker for the casino and are a bad deal for the player. The optimal royal flush strategies for progressives of this type are a constantly moving target, and no expert, including yours truly, is capable of learning and then applying absolute expert strategy on so many different games on an as-required basis. As a result, even the best of players will continue to play at a sub 100% level no matter how high the royals go.
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> At the end of the day these machines simply become nothing more than a pot shot for players seeking the thrill of hitting large 25c/50c/$1 royals. I was surprised that when I was playing them last Saturday night around 9pm, there was only one other person playing. You can tell the meters run much faster than anything we've seen in years. But when people stopped by to look the games over they didn't really care what the royals were. All they commented on were the poor pay tables.
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