Re: [vpFREE] LVSun: Hard Rock is low on chips with debt payment due

 

Have to agree. Here is my monthly average coin in for the past 9 months:

 

Sept-Dec 2013 = $88.6K

Jan-Feb 2014 = $42.8K

Mar 2014 = $22.5K
Apr-May 2014 = $0

 

No promotions = no play...really simple

 

Don the Dentist

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Re: [vpFREE] Card pulling

 

1) Some casino networks are so slow that the last $100 coin-in might not register after a card pull (if you play fast).  I first noticed this on a 5x pts day when I seemed a few thousand pts short.

This can be a reason to do the reverse of a card pull.  Just before you quit a game, make sure your pts have updated on the screen before leaving the game.

2) If a casino bases its offers primarily on win/loss rather than theo, you may want to play with no card whenever your edge is 102%, 105%, or ....

Some people play ultimate X with no card on good multipliers, but playing with & without a card may get you in trouble with some casinos (especially if a loss rebate is involved).

Casino software can be set to merge sessions (card for 10 min, no card for 1 min, card for 10 min).  Harrah's did this when I checked in 2009.  Another casino told me they could do this with their software, but considered it not worth the risk of combining play from 2 players improperly.

3) Some casinos correctly register card pulls on most (but not all) machines - e.g. They will use the cash balance at the end of your hand.

3a) Older machines might not communicate 100% effectively with the new software, so errors may occur.

3b) The algorithm used may be different during 1x pts & multiplier days.  One casino had correct calculations during multiplier periods, but card pulls worked on other times (older algorithm I was told).

4) Some systems can lose the first few hands you play after inserting a card.  Usually a machine will record activity & credit your account, but sometimes you need to wait until your name appears on the screen.

5) Your session might be held open after you take out your card (for 10 min or all day) - might be to the advantage of a point hustler, but could be bad to your win/loss record if the next person wins big.

So when starting to play I make sure my name appears on the machine.  sometimes a slot tech must reset something to erase the previous card.

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Summary: it's software. With all the bugs you might expect.  Just think of all the possible database errors & network errors...some casino out there probably has that error.

6) Win/Loss statements also have this issue. Many of my win/loss statements are missing some of my W-2s. Accounting & players club software might not integrate properly so info is lost/altered.

Mitchell

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Re: [vpFREE] LVSun: Hard Rock is low on chips with debt payment due

 

The new Promotions Manager has saved them a lot of money in the short term by reducing  locals mailers and eliminating any worthwhile promotions.  I wonder how much business they've driven away in the process.  In his defense, he may have been forced to make these cuts from above.


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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Jeans column on casino mistakes

 

Don the Dentist wrote:

>I was barred from the El Cortez a number of years ago for doing exactly what Misscraps did.

Before there were cashout tickets, I was checking out pay tables on
many machines there and they thought I was collecting coins from
credits that had been left, so they took me to the back room. They
relented when they found no coins on me.

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Re: [vpFREE] Card pulling

 

I have found that a number of casinos have come up with a solution to card pullers. If you try pulling your card the system retains the information and your win is recorded anyway. I have come to this conclusion by trying to put my card into a machine during a hand, and get the message that "A carded session is in progress" and the system will not accept the card until the hand is over.

I could be wrong, but that's my thoughts on the matter.

Regards
A.P.  

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Subject: [vpFREE] Card pulling

 
Card pulling is if you see you might have a big win (like u are dealt a quad or 4 to the royal) and then pull the card and keep it out while the win registers so your account shows lower win.

That is different from what I did to ensure points are registering. I just randomly pulled out my card, put it back in, so my card does show all the wins and losses (I didn't skip a win). So no attempt on my part to "falsify" my actual play or win totals.

Would card pulling actually help someone? Maybe, a little, but obviously if u do this all the time u would also skip putting in the money on the next hand, so your coin in totals would be lower, and if u did this a lot, your play would slow down. So I'm of the opinion this tactic is of dubious help in upping any comps you might get.

A better technique might be to "play" two machines at once. On the second machine just play slowly, even hardly at all, just to increase your total time playing on machines. This is because some casinos like you to play for longer amount of time, so your offers might increase if you show "four" hours of play, when actually you are playing two hours on one machine, while your card is also in the second machine with extremely little play. I've done that on rare occasions, just leaving a hand in mid-play for several minutes. You have to be careful that no robber comes by while you are concentrating on machine number one and removes your money from machine number two, and leaving a hand in mid play helps reduce the likelihood of someone cashing out when u weren't looking, because they can't in mid hand.


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[vpFREE] Card pulling

 

Card pulling is if you see you might have a big win (like u are dealt a quad or 4 to the royal) and then pull the card and keep it out while the win registers so your account shows lower win.

That is different from what I did to ensure points are registering. I just randomly pulled out my card, put it back in, so my card does show all the wins and losses (I didn't skip a win). So no attempt on my part to "falsify" my actual play or win totals.

Would card pulling actually help someone? Maybe, a little, but obviously if u do this all the time u would also skip putting in the money on the next hand, so your coin in totals would be lower, and if u did this a lot, your play would slow down. So I'm of the opinion this tactic is of dubious help in upping any comps you might get.

A better technique might be to "play" two machines at once. On the second machine just play slowly, even hardly at all, just to increase your total time playing on machines. This is because some casinos like you to play for longer amount of time, so your offers might increase if you show "four" hours of play, when actually you are playing two hours on one machine, while your card is also in the second machine with extremely little play. I've done that on rare occasions, just leaving a hand in mid-play for several minutes. You have to be careful that no robber comes by while you are concentrating on machine number one and removes your money from machine number two, and leaving a hand in mid play helps reduce the likelihood of someone cashing out when u weren't looking, because they can't in mid hand.

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RE: [vpFREE] Re: Jeans column on casino mistakes

 

DDS wrote:  I have to disagree with you Bob. I was barred from the El Cortez a number of years ago for doing exactly what Misscraps did. . .

 
Some casinos have strange procedures. (The El Cortez for a while was extra vigilant on all the 100% machines. Maybe they still are although I don't even know how many if any of those games they still have. f I suspect the reason they gave for your barring was just an excuse to get rid of somebody who "abused" the system, in their opinion, by getting so many jackpots in the $300+ range on a game that was already positive. In addition you wanted a point multiplier. They were suspecting such a person of being an angle-shooter and when they saw the card pulls they put two and two together and came up with five.) My post included being able to talk to somebody relevant. At some casinos you aren't allowed to have a conversation with a decision maker. Some players aren't proficient at making their case.

That said, I still believe I could explain what I was doing and why to any casino decision maker --- if they will listen. And as I wrote a few months ago about the Suncoast, I know that sometimes someone makes a decision and sends underlings to enforce it. When that happens, you are SOL.

And I'm also sure that even when you get to talk to somebody --- if they are angry or stressed and they've already made their decision, arguing with them is fruitless. You might as well try to argue with a dog!

But I'm still going to remove my card, between hands, every 3000 points at all Harrah's properties. it is by far the lesser of evils.

Bob

 

 
 

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RE: [vpFREE] Re: Jeans column on casino mistakes

 

Misscraps wrote: "After these incidents I always pull my card every so often and reinsert to make sure points are registering. Problem seems to happen after several thousand accumulated points."


NOTI responded But then they accuse you of card pulling. The card readers are notoriously unreliable and inaccurate. This is probably the biggest problem with slots today. Eventually it will get fixed, but it will probably be awhile. These card reader problems have been around for decades and may have decades to go before they get fixed. The problems are complicated and it's easier for the casinos to just blame the customers, especially the video poker players.
 
Bob Dancer responded: I disagree. What she's talking about is removing her card between hands when nothing else is going on. Card pulling is done in the middle of a hand.
At Harrah's (CET) properties, I always remove and re-insert my card every 3000 or so points. I always assume I'm on surveillance and so I would not pull my card in the middle of a hand --- but I've never had a problem with pulling a card between hands.  Should I ever be confronted by casino employees who don't understand the distinction between card pulling and what I'm doing, I'm convinced that I'll be able to explain what and why I'm doing it.
 
 
I have to disagree with you Bob. I was barred from the El Cortez a number of years ago for doing exactly what Misscraps did. I played there on a double or triple point day and the points were not being multiplied. I was pulling the card every few hands to check. Went to the club booth and they acknowledged the multiplier was not activated but would be once a certain employee, who had the authorization and knowledge to do so, came to work. Eventually the multiplier did take effect. That day they also had a promotion for winning a "jackpot" of $300 or more. I was playing $1 10/7 DB and hit a few low 4ofK. The slot tech pulled the card to record the necessary info (name, club #, etc.).
 
The next time I played there, I was confronted by a suit and two security guards. The suit told me I was barred and they read me the trepass act. I was walked to the club where they gave me a voucher for whatever cash I had from the points, walked to the cage to cash the voucher and then escorted to my car, all the time with both security guards very close at hand. Guess I was such a threat they needed two armed security guards. When I asked, the suit refused to tell me why I was being barred.
 
As I told the story to other players in my circle, one of them was friendly with the El Cortez slot staff and said he/she would try and find out why I was barred. After a few weeks, I was told that it was because I pulled my card over 50 times in a three hour period. They thought I was pulling the card on good hands and therefore understating wins and/or overstating losses in their system. If the card was not in the reader when the win was registered, it didn't show up in the system.
 
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[vpFREE] Re: Jeans column on casino mistakes

 

Some casinos base offers (and additional free play as a loss rebate) on actual win/loss, not just theo.


Card pulling does not work in some casinos.
I occasionally check with a host to see if their win/loss is close to my records.

Mitchell

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