--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Dancer" <bdancer@...> wrote:
>
> Npf wrote: I accept that not everyone views life as abundant and don't
> expect to change that.
>
>
> It's good that you have modest expectations.
>
> There is a HUGE difference between how many 25¢ opportunities there are
> and how many $5 opportunities there are. It is fair to assume that any
> casino opportunity that returns more than $50 per hour in expectation is
> a mistake. Since that virtually never happens on a 25¢ machine, players
> who normally play these games have no experience with these dynamics.
> Players who play advantage $5 machines know this well. The rules on
> vpFREE work for 25¢ plays. They do NOT work on $5 and higher plays. When
> the rules "graciously" allow that players are not required to report
> plays that they believe are a mistake, that actually takes in ALL decent
> $5 plays. I believe there are no slot directors anywhere who wake up and
> say, "I'll think I go provide some $100 per hour opportunities for my
> high limit A.P. They deserve abundance. The casino's bottom line is
> overrated anyway."
>
> Many current high limit players were 25¢ players not so long ago --- for
> me it was 1994 through 1996. At that time I didn't expect the then-$5
> players to listen to my advice on how they should run their business.
> But with today's Internet, you get all sorts of 25¢ players who start
> loudly proclaiming, IN CAPITAL LETTERS, what $5 players "should" do ---
> and they really don't understand the dynamics of these games.
>
> Would you expect NFL coaches to actively seek the advice of high school
> football players on how to win? The difference between 25¢ and $10 games
> is almost that large.
Well said....my Bob, we're on a roll this week, aren't we?
I don't know about the $50 benchmark analogy, because the smarter
casinos know that some people who walk through their doors will be
smarter than others. It doesn't make any sense at all to hurt
probability because maybe a dozen players actually could make money on
a particular promotion. It's the "how much" that may impact whether or
not a certain game gets offered.
What bothered me the most about this discussion is that there are
still plenty of $40+/hr plays in Vegas for the dollar player. It is
for the player to ascertain where those plays are and how much they're
worth. Yes, some of it the calculus is complicated, but that's part of
the learning process. I realize it's human nature to want something
for nothing, but what bothers me the most is that a lot of those
information hungry readers have no respect for what you, or for that
matter, I, have gone through to get to where we are today. I don't
want to be harsh, but it's kind of insulting. The previous discussion
about the GVR game was just ridiculous, because very few members here
would play the dollar denom, and almost no one would play it higher.
Finally, the irony of you discussing the flow of professional level
information on a pubic forum is, well, amusing. Maybe after all these
years you're seeing the light a little bit. Or maybe there really is
nothing to play in Vegas anymore for a $5 player (I wonder how that
happened?).
