[vpFREE] Station's Tiers

Three questions about Station tiers:

1) Do multiplied points count towards earning higher levels in the Boarding
Pass program? Or, is your tier only earned from base coin-in points?

2) If the level you are at is based on your play during the past 90 days,
then why is there a discrepancy between the number of points I've earned in
the last 90 days vs the number of points I need to earn to achieve the next
level? For example, my online account says, "You have earned 218,575 points
in the last 90 days. As of today, earn 46,559 points to become a PRESIDENT
card holder." If PRESIDENT level requires 225,000 points in a 90 day
period, then shouldn't I only need to earn another 6,425 points?

3) What's the difference between mailer offers for Platinum vs President
level players?

On a side note: Why do Stations send out food offers with an expiration date
that falls on a SUNDAY when the offers are only valid MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY?
Seems like the real expiration date should be a Friday, then.

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[vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's CasinoGaming Column - 5 FEB 2008

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jeffcole2003oct" <jeff-cole@...> wrote:
>
> mroejacks wrote:
> 20-12-5-3-2-2-1 ?????????
> =============================
> Dick,
> I think the "09" is just missing or maybe left out by a default
> convention. From
>
> http://members.cox.net/vpfree/PayV.htm
>
> we have this paytable:
>
> 1-2-2-3-5-09-12-20-200-800 ... 98.94%

Yes, I know that. I was just bringing it to Bob's attention so he could
correct it.

Dick

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[vpFREE] Re: Death of the Optimums? Fiesta's separate identity

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tralfamidorgooglycrackers"
<tralfamidorgooglycrackers@...> wrote:
>
> > Some things can be predicted with enough certainty that they can be
> > considered FACTs. Personally, if something is
99.999999999999999999%
> > certain I will call it a fact. You can do as you please.
>
> Or, some people can be so really really really really really really
> sure that something will happen, that they consider it a certainty--
> even to the point of bridging the gap, mentally, between NOW and the
> FUTURE.

That's right. I guess I get this from theoretical physics, and other
working sciences. Once a "theory" becomes accepted it is treated as
FACT. This occurs when overwhelming evidence supports that theory.

> Obviously, we have different opinions about this possibility--

I don't see how any reasonably intelligent person could think ALL the
full pay VP machines would disappear in less than a year.

Dick

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[vpFREE] Re: Good VP games are fading fast

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tralfamidorgooglycrackers"
<tralfamidorgooglycrackers@...> wrote:
>
> The mistake that Vegas casinos are making is to think that Las
Vegas
> is such an attractive destination in itself that people will put up
> with lousy gambling and price gouging just to BE there. Well, in
the
> first place, as you note, it's a certain amount of hassle to get
> there: a long drive from just about anywhere, or the alternative of
> enduring airline travel into and out of one of the worst-congested
> airports in the country. In the second place, they no longer have
> exclusivity as a gambling destination--many of the people they
> consider their "market" have closer-to-home options.
>
> In light of the above, you would think that Vegas casinos would try
> to retain a competitive edge in terms of offering the best gambling
> value available, but they've done just the opposite--because they
> have been temporarily able to sustain a hype-based marketing
> campaign that focused on gouging the new crop of equity-refugee
baby
> boomers flush with cash. This strategy has worked in the short
term,
> but it cannot be sustained. Once the casino's new class of victims
> has spent a couple of trips paying $300/night for rooms,
$200/ticket
> for shows, $100/meal for food, and on top of that, being nickel-and-
> dimed to death at every turn, from the cab ride to the minibar to
> the "resort fee" or "energy fee"; once the gambler finds that the
> price of his enjoyment is sky-high table minimums at games that
have
> a higher house percentage than at any time in human history; once
> they've been rode hard and put up wet by the casinos, and they take
> a sober look at what their fabulous Vegas vacation has COST
> them....they won't come back. Ever.

This has been the recent history and I agree it is not sustainable.
This is one of the reasons I see the current recession digging deep
into the casinos revenues. What will follow is more competitive
offerings. I don't think this will lead to hordes of new positive VP
machines, but I think the incentives will increase making current
machines more lucrative. The people WILL come back if the offers are
reasonable.

Dick

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RE: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's CasinoGaming Column - 5 FEB 2008

mroejacks wrote:
20-12-5-3-2-2-1 ?????????

Dick is correct that pay schedule doesn't mean anything unless there's a
9 between the 12 and the 5. It was a typo.

Bob Dancer

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[vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's CasinoGaming Column - 5 FEB 2008

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tralfamidorgooglycrackers"
<tralfamidorgooglycrackers@...> wrote:
> > 20-12-5-3-2-2-1 ?????????
> A short-pay version of DW that rather that cutting down the 4 of a
> kind pay from 5 to 4 (and raising other pays to make up for it, to an
> insufficient degree to compensate for that loss, in most cases), cuts
> the wild royal from 25 to 20, and the five of a kind from 15 to 12. I
> believe it is right about at a 99% return. You see this paytable on
> dollar denom games occasionally.

Used to be called "Fooler Deuces". I wonder how many played it
thinking it was full pay?

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[vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's CasinoGaming Column - 5 FEB 2008

mroejacks wrote:
20-12-5-3-2-2-1 ?????????
=============================
Dick,
I think the "09" is just missing or maybe left out by a default
convention. From

http://members.cox.net/vpfree/PayV.htm

we have this paytable:

1-2-2-3-5-09-12-20-200-800 ... 98.94%

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[vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's CasinoGaming Column - 5 FEB 2008

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mroejacks" <rgmustain@...> wrote:
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFae" <vpFae@> wrote:
> >
> > Unpenalized Straight Potential in Deuces Wild
> >
> > http://www.casinogaming.com/columnists/dancer/2008/0205.html
>
> 20-12-5-3-2-2-1 ?????????
>
A short-pay version of DW that rather that cutting down the 4 of a
kind pay from 5 to 4 (and raising other pays to make up for it, to an
insufficient degree to compensate for that loss, in most cases), cuts
the wild royal from 25 to 20, and the five of a kind from 15 to 12. I
believe it is right about at a 99% return. You see this paytable on
dollar denom games occasionally.

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[vpFREE] Re: Check out Atlantic City casino revenue down 10 percent in January

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, The Wild Joker <jokerswild1203@...>
wrote:
>
> And where did you get your medical degree? If you know something
that goes against what every Surgen General since 1964 has been
saying, I assume your a doctor with a couple more doctorate's on the
side.
>
> Ned C.
> The Wild Joker
>
> tralfamidorgooglycrackers <tralfamidorgooglycrackers@...> wrote:
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Susan Zelisko" <szelisk@>
wrote:
> >
> > Illinois casinos lost 17% since Jan. No smoking ban is really
> kicking in.
> >
> Correllation does not equal causation. There is no more reason to
> believe that these events are related than that the loss in casino
> revenue was caused by my recent purchase of an IPod (EVEN
> THOUGH...THEY HAPPENED at THE EXACT SAME TIME!!!!).

I think his post agreed more with you than the first poster

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[vpFREE] Re: Death of the Optimums? Fiesta's separate identity

> Some things can be predicted with enough certainty that they can be
> considered FACTs. Personally, if something is 99.999999999999999999%
> certain I will call it a fact. You can do as you please.

Or, some people can be so really really really really really really
sure that something will happen, that they consider it a certainty--
even to the point of bridging the gap, mentally, between NOW and the
FUTURE. Obviously, we have different opinions about this possibility--
but just as obviously, we have different dictionaries in our houses as
well. Therefore, this is a futile argument ("futile", I'm hoping,
means at least roughly the same thing in your dictionary as in the one
the rest of us use, so you'll understand what I mean).

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[vpFREE] Re: Good VP games are fading fast

The mistake that Vegas casinos are making is to think that Las Vegas
is such an attractive destination in itself that people will put up
with lousy gambling and price gouging just to BE there. Well, in the
first place, as you note, it's a certain amount of hassle to get
there: a long drive from just about anywhere, or the alternative of
enduring airline travel into and out of one of the worst-congested
airports in the country. In the second place, they no longer have
exclusivity as a gambling destination--many of the people they
consider their "market" have closer-to-home options.

In light of the above, you would think that Vegas casinos would try
to retain a competitive edge in terms of offering the best gambling
value available, but they've done just the opposite--because they
have been temporarily able to sustain a hype-based marketing
campaign that focused on gouging the new crop of equity-refugee baby
boomers flush with cash. This strategy has worked in the short term,
but it cannot be sustained. Once the casino's new class of victims
has spent a couple of trips paying $300/night for rooms, $200/ticket
for shows, $100/meal for food, and on top of that, being nickel-and-
dimed to death at every turn, from the cab ride to the minibar to
the "resort fee" or "energy fee"; once the gambler finds that the
price of his enjoyment is sky-high table minimums at games that have
a higher house percentage than at any time in human history; once
they've been rode hard and put up wet by the casinos, and they take
a sober look at what their fabulous Vegas vacation has COST
them....they won't come back. Ever.

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[vpFREE] Re: Death of the Optimums? Fiesta's separate identity

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tralfamidorgooglycrackers"
<tralfamidorgooglycrackers@...> wrote:
>
> > See me in Dec. and I will point out it was CLEARLY a FACT. No one
> > needs to have a crystal ball to realize the hundreds of full pay
> > machines won't disappear by that time. If you think I'm wrong,
> name
> > the amount you wish to bet.
>
> >>>Let me see if I can point this out even MORE simply.
>
> Something that MAY happen in the future is a POSSIBILITY.
>
> If it does in fact happen, it is then, and only then, a factual
> occurence.

Some things can be predicted with enough certainty that they can be
considered FACTs. Personally, if something is 99.999999999999999999%
certain I will call it a fact. You can do as you please.

>
> A prediction that it WILL happen, even though the predictor is
> REALLY REALLY SURE, is still not a fact.....merely a prediction.
>
> In any case, it isn't much of an extrapolation, given the history
of
> the last ten or so years, to say that VP by this magical marker of
> next December will be considerably worse than it is now. There may
> indeed be two or three fullpay machines left by then. So you might
> win such a bet, which you can feel free to make with yourself.

I bet there are still hundreds of full pay machines available. How
much do you wish to bet now?

Dick

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[vpFREE] Re: Check out Atlantic City casino revenue down 10 percent in January

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Susan Zelisko" <szelisk@...> wrote:
>
> Illinois casinos lost 17% since Jan. No smoking ban is really
kicking in.

How about the recession or the weather. At one time there was almost
perfect correlation between chewing tobaco sales and junvenile
delinquency.

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[vpFREE] Re: Death of the Optimums? Fiesta's separate identity

> See me in Dec. and I will point out it was CLEARLY a FACT. No one
> needs to have a crystal ball to realize the hundreds of full pay
> machines won't disappear by that time. If you think I'm wrong,
name
> the amount you wish to bet.

>>>Let me see if I can point this out even MORE simply.

Something that MAY happen in the future is a POSSIBILITY.

If it does in fact happen, it is then, and only then, a factual
occurence.

A prediction that it WILL happen, even though the predictor is
REALLY REALLY SURE, is still not a fact.....merely a prediction.

In any case, it isn't much of an extrapolation, given the history of
the last ten or so years, to say that VP by this magical marker of
next December will be considerably worse than it is now. There may
indeed be two or three fullpay machines left by then. So you might
win such a bet, which you can feel free to make with yourself.

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