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[vpFREE] Re: IGT Video Blackjack Scam?
Don't know much about IGT blackjack but remember the piggy bankin as well as the cherry pie and several other wongable slot machines. Started and ended most VP sessions with a tour of the casino for opps.
I remember Eliot Shapiro showing me a bank of blazing 7's to keep my eye on. How you could look down into some slot machines and read the counters.
Back in the day.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vegasvpplayer" <vegasvpplayer@...> wrote:
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> I have been spending a good deal of time in California casinos recently and there is something that is driving me crazy. Most of the IGT multigames have video BJ as one of the options, the bad version of course that pays even money for a blackjack. When I am playing VP on one, there is usually a constant stream of Asians passing by checking the last hand of BJ played on every open machine in the bank. Only occasionally will they select a machine based on their examination and play a single hand before cashing out and moving on. Since the cards are shuffled every round, I can't see what advantage they seem to be looking for. They are usually kind of shabbily dressed and have that exhausted look like they are on a never ending mission. It kind of reminds me of the slot huslers back in the late 90's that walked around Las Vegas pushing the button on Piggy Bankin slots looking for a ripe jackpot. Am I missing something or is it just Asian superstition in action?
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[vpFREE] IGT Video Blackjack Scam?
I have been spending a good deal of time in California casinos recently and there is something that is driving me crazy. Most of the IGT multigames have video BJ as one of the options, the bad version of course that pays even money for a blackjack. When I am playing VP on one, there is usually a constant stream of Asians passing by checking the last hand of BJ played on every open machine in the bank. Only occasionally will they select a machine based on their examination and play a single hand before cashing out and moving on. Since the cards are shuffled every round, I can't see what advantage they seem to be looking for. They are usually kind of shabbily dressed and have that exhausted look like they are on a never ending mission. It kind of reminds me of the slot huslers back in the late 90's that walked around Las Vegas pushing the button on Piggy Bankin slots looking for a ripe jackpot. Am I missing something or is it just Asian superstition in action?
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[vpFREE] Re: Need help finding video poker software
Bob,
Ahhh ok, I see what you're saying now with the 0.5%. Thanks for taking the time to explain....I'm still new at all this.
Any clues on the SD for each STP game? The math involved on wizardofodds for multi-line alone has already tested my fading math skills.
Thanks!
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bob Dancer <bobdancervp@...> wrote:
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[vpFREE] Re: Old Points at Silverton
Thanks for the information - too bad us non-locals were not informed of this change. An email or heads up from our host sure would have been appreciated. Oh well....time to move on. They also cut way back on the "free play" offers - which used to get us to visit there! I think they are trying to tell us something..............
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, savorvpx <savorvpx@...> wrote:
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Yes, you can use new points (earned 4/1/11 or later) for gift cards, but as of tomorrow 10/17, they will cost 667 points per dollar. Too bad because they offer some good cards
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RE: [vpFREE] Re: Need help finding video poker software
Casinogeek wrote: My understanding is that the expected return on the normal Super Times
Pay is plus .5 as you mentioned. So 9/6 JoB would be 0.998204 however
Double Super Times Pay is 100.05%. 100.05% DOES represent a 0.5% increase over 99.54%. The STP 99.82% represents a 0.28% increase over 99.54%. In both games, these are typical (though not universal) increases. The wizardofodds.com citation in the original post gives the returns for all pay schedules for both games. Bob
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[vpFREE] Viejas Database Update
<99.92% JW2 1-2-5-6-10-20-50-50-100-1000 JW2 (FP)
$5 1 Play TITO Slant $5 - location and game details are unknown>>
MIA
<<<99.80% TB+ 1-1-3-4-5-9-50-120-240-100-800 TB+ (FP)
$1 1 Play TITO Up near VIP
$2 1 Play TITO Slant in the new wing >>>>
MIA
<<<99.73% DW44 1-2-3-4-4-10-16-25-200-800 NSUD
(2) $1, $2, $5 3/5 Play MG TITO Bar @ the bar in the new V-Bar/lounge area
(2) $5, $10, $25 1 Play MG TITO Bar @ the bar in the new V-Bar/lounge area >>>>
MIA
<<<99.69% SDB 1-1-3-4-5-9-50-80-120-160-80-800 SDB (FP)
(4) $1 3/5 Play TITO Up outside of VIP room >>>>
MIA
<<<99.54% JoB 1-2-3-4-6-9-25-50-800 JoB (FP)
(2) $1, $2, $5 3/5 Play MG TITO Bar @ the bar in the new V-Bar/lounge area
(4) $1 3/5 Play TITO Up outside of VIP room)
(2) $5, $10, $25 1 Play MG TITO Bar @ the bar in the new V-Bar/lounge area >>>>>
MIA
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[vpFREE] Re: Old Points at Silverton
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Wendy" <wpbacker@...> wrote:
> Silverton questions. Can anyone tell me if you are able
> to use your NEW points for gift cards? How many points =
> dollars & what kind of gift cards. We will be visiting
> Vegas soon & would like to use some of our new points. Or
> can you use new points for cash back? Any suggestions on
> the best way to use new points would be appreciated.
Yes, you can use new points (earned 4/1/11 or later) for gift cards, but as of tomorrow 10/17, they will cost 667 points per dollar. Too bad because they offer some good cards - Southwest Airlines, Starbucks, Bass Pro Shops and several restaurants like Outback and Red Lobster.
You can also redeem new points for free play and food. 333 points = $1. They don't have any cashback.
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[vpFREE] Re: Silverton Oct 17th devaluation ; Your response
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> How then, does any pro-active action start? If not for Bob Dancer's post, the "notice" only if you went to the slot club desk
> was very small. Their e-mail system was not used?
I would like to give a thumbs up to Sam's Town. Recently,it decided to pull a good promotion. Although disappointing, it states in the fine print of most any casino promo that managagement reserves the right to change- anything!
In the Sam's Town instance, prominent signs were posted at the entrances and at the players club. These were posted far enough in advance for me to change my plans.
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[vpFREE] Re: Home Video of Las Vegas during 1962
Fabulous quality film - thanks so much for sharing.
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[vpFREE] Re: LVA Question of the Day - 15 OCT 2011
I wanted to know the answer to this, but when I click on the link, all I get is the Oct 16 question & answer; I have to have some premium membership to go back and read yesterdays q&a. For anyone with access, what was the answer? I have a lot of miscellaneous chips myself.
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> LVA Question of the Day - 15 OCT 2011
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> Q: Over many years of visiting Las Vegas I always seem to
> come home with several chips from different casinos, some
> still open some closed. I have a couple hundred in casino
> chips sitting around. Is there a place I could take them all
> to cash in, or would I have to go to each casino that are
> still open? And how bout the closed ones?
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> Read the answer here:
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> http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/qod.cfm
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> <a href="http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/qod.cfm">
> http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/qod.cfm</a>
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> NOTE: vpFREE access to the Question of the Day link has
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[vpFREE] Re: Need help finding video poker software
Bob,
Thanks for info. Sad to hear about Mike. Hopefully someone (Ernie) still
has access to the source code? I am sure that someone in the future will
be able to update it when the time/money is right.
My understanding is that the expected return on the normal Super Times
Pay is plus .5 as you mentioned. So 9/6 JoB would be 0.998204 however
Double Super Times Pay is 100.05%.
(http://wizardofodds.com/videopoker/tables/double-super-times-pay.html
<http://wizardofodds.com/videopoker/tables/double-super-times-pay.html>
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As Rick wrote, I too understand that the strategy does not change but
what's not clear to me is the standard deviation number for STP or DSTP.
I understand stand normal 9/6 Jacks or Better to have a SD of 4.43.
The same link above sheds some light...it states:Volatility- Based on
the actual multiplier probabilities, the Super Times Pay feature
increases the standard deviation by 51%, compared to not paying for it.
Can someone translate that for me into an actual number?
Even then it's only for STP and I would still like to know what the SD
for DSTP is. This is ideally why i was looking for software so that i
could just run a bunch of simulations so I knew how much bankroll was
necessary but just know the proper SD would help a bunch.
Thanks everyone!!
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Rick E. Percy" <ricke.percy@...>
wrote:>> I understand about none of the strategy plays change, but I
don't think that you can get the variance for the game without knowing
the multiplier frequency, which apparently is (at least slightly)
different than regular Super Times Pay. Or is that public knowledge
that I just haven't noticed?> > > > ________________________________>
From: Bob Dancer <bobdancervp@...>> To: vpfree@yahoogroups.com> Sent:
Sunday, October 16, 2011 12:46 AM> Subject: RE: [vpFREE] Re: Need help
finding video poker software> > > Â > > > "casinogeek" <casinogeek@>
wrote:> > My question is, does anyone know if the Wolf software> > will
be updated to include games like Double Super Times> > Pay? I have tried
some other software but the automated> > simulation does not seem to
provide the same type of info> > that I find to be useful. Any
suggestions?> There are a lot of games (like Quick Quads --- Ultimate X)
that I'd like to see on a new version of Video Poker for Winners.
Unfortunately Mike Wood --- the mathematician behind VPW --- passed away
not so long ago. He was one of Ernie Moody's best friends. Ernie (the
financial backer behind the software) hasn't felt inclined to go ahead
with another version. Insofar as Double Super Times Pay specifically,
the game can be analyzed completely by treating it as regular
5-coin-per-line game and adding a half-percent to the return. None of
the plays change when you go from regular pay schedules to DSTP pay
schedules. Bob> > > .> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have
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