Those that look for negative reasons to be cheap, will always find them.
CF
You tip .5%. I tip 1%. Both are fair imo. The slot floor manager may hear about
a no tip. SFM will look u up on da computah. Put little black dot next to ya
name.
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Dancer writes in his column: "Whether you like it or not, the casino is
hyper-paranoid about players trying to cheat on their rebate offer. If you
give them no reason to suspect you are "cheating" (as defined by them),
you'll be fine."
And here we have an excellent example of why to treat anything Dancer says
with a huge grain of salt. He has no evidence to back this assertion.
Assuring players that they'll be fine as they consider risking $100k,
without solid reason to believe that assurance is valid, is highly
irresponsible.
I personally believe that the complaints on WoV, by posters claiming to be
innocent players, pass the sniff test. I don't believe the lack of more
widespread public comment proves anything, as my experience with lawyers is
that their first advice is always to shut up about the case.
It's not impossible that it's a well-constructed disinformation campaign,
but let's just say that I would cheerfully take vpplayer88's side of his
proposed bet.
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You tip .5%. I tip 1%. Both are fair imo. The slot floor manager may hear about a no tip. SFM will look u up on da computah. Put little black dot next to ya name.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, GURU PERF <guruperf@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm a $1 player sometimes up to $10 per hand.
>
>
> Personally, I always break a Benjie myself when I go in, unless I already have at least several twenties, two fives, two tens and 20 singles on me. That arms me for whatever tipping I might have to do on a one or two day trip (depending on how many hand pays there are.) I always ask for all hundreds on hand pays. Minor hand pays, under $2K get a five, $2K to a $4K RF get a ten. Over $4K, a twenty.
>
>
> If they bring me back a broken Benjie, it is ALWAYS 5 twenties. That earns them a $0 tip. On the rare occasion when I've gotten either a question, comment or dirty look, I remind them that I asked for all hundreds, and they didn't give me what I asked for. The usual excuse is, "That's what the cashier gave me"; my response, "You should have given back the twenties and gotten me what I asked for." No one has ever screwed up the second hand pay when that happened.
>
>
> Â
> Certainly the game is rigged. Don’t let that stop you; if you don’t bet, you can’t win. -Lazarus Long
> In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is. -Yogi Berra
> There is no such thing as luck. There is only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe. -Robert Heinlein
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> Â
> Howdy
>
> I am a 25 cent vp player with an occasional fling to 50 cent territory. When I was down to my last 12.50 out of 400 and playing wishful thinking at 50 cents I hit a spade royal yesterday on a three card draw. Two thosand bucks. The attendant promply showed up and asked if I wanted all hundreds or one in "change.' This guy had replaced a bad chair for me once and turned down a tip...so I felt this was the time to reward him. He returned with my loot with the last hundred in twenties. It was obvious he was fishing for a twenty dollar tip. This turned me off . I could have asked for change of the twenty or gave him nothing. Because of our past history and the fact it was my first royal at the 50 cent level I gave him the twenty. However I think he was being blatant.
>
> Any thoughts and what would you have done given the complete picture?
>
> Ralph Gary
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On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 11:14 AM, gimmeaquad <gimmeaquad@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Does New Jersey have a law against audio/video recording someone without
> their consent?
>
New Jersey is a one-party consent state, meaning that you only need
permission of one party to a conversation to record it. Sadly, in most
states (including NV) what misscraps describes would be illegal. (But
thanks for suggesting it - I will definitely be recording nonstop if I
visit NJ casinos in the future.)
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We got no mailed by GVR beginning of year after 6 winning sessions; ~70% $1 FPSDB; 20% FPDDB and 5-10% slots. Moved to Southpoint for last 2 nights b4 flight home. A nice joint SP is. Don't miss GVR at all.
We are NOT returning their money.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@...> wrote:
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, jack page <jack_page_99@> wrote:
> >
> > $1 NSUD (16/10)
> > No Royals and short 5 sets of deuces from expected.
> >
>
>
> Thanks for your response. I know this is good information for me to know. But I guess that's your answer right there. Playing dollar NSUD apparently means you're a skilled player and a no-mail candidate. And apparently losing doesn't matter, although winning might be a factor, at least I think winning is a factor at some other places.
>
> Unfortunately, the damage may be done and there is nothing you can do about it now. Others may have a different opinion, but I would say there's no way you're going to talk someone into reinstating you.
>
> Here's a possible idea, and it's just an idea, so I can't guarantee it. But when you are reincarnated and come back in your next life, try looking for progressives on games with a lower theoretical. Mix up your action by throwing in some kind of slot machine action. And I don't even know if that would work. These casinos are sure getting stingy with us video poker players. And it will probably just keep getting worse.
>
> I'm sorry I can't give you a better answer. I'm anxious to see what others have to say.
>
> good luck,
> -BB
>
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Scot Krause" <krauseinvegas@...> wrote: ---Stations just love locals. South Point is the one who "loves you more!" LOL.
Scot
Searched vpfree for discussion of Southpoint "no mailing."
Didn't get a hit. Are you saying SP does this nasty better than GVR?
(We have been to SP four times in 2012 having replaced GVR as our exit casino the last 2 nights before we fly home. We were there Monday and Tuesday nights. Monday was a double VP points. The joint abounded with advantage players. Some not keeping a low profile.
We have won all four time so wondering if SP is ready to stop da luv.
Dave
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Scot Krause" <krauseinvegas@...> wrote:
---Stations just love locals. South Point is the one who "loves you more!"
LOL.
Scot
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Hey, I even got out and worked today, hangover and all. Now I'm in the mood for some dead reckoning, Mickey Crimm style.
Back in June Richard Munchkin stated that the Revel promo had the potential to cost them tens of millions of dollars. Probably through the internet forums Revel suits figured out that the high denom video poker would be the target of highly skilled, big bankrolled AP's everywhere. "Aha!" they said "We'll cut them off at the pass!" Three days before the promo started they removed the $25 video poker. "We've got our asses covered now!" they said. All we have to deal with now is the low rollers, $5 and under, they can't hurt us."
I can see the Revel suits standing there with their jaws dropped open on the first day of the promo. All the high denom slots were getting pounded. The Revel suits got caught with their pants down. They didn't know that the high denom slots would be the backup plan of the bigtime AP's.
"OMG! OMG! What are we gonna do?!!! We're gonna get killed!!!" they screamed at each other. They thought and thought and thought about it. "Well" they said to each other "We're just gonna have to get rid of them. It's the only way to stop the money hemorrhage." The disqualifications commenced.
That's my dead reckoning for the day, folks. Take care
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Anyone see they are supposedly doing a 150% loss match up to $1000 with free play over 4 weeks.
Just slots? VP?
http://www.atlanticcityweekly.com/casinos/Casino-Promotions-69654157.html?page=4&comments=1&showAll=
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If you believe the nonsense you asserted on a sample size of one, then take the bet. It's free money.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rob.singer1111@yahoo.com" <rob.singer1111@...> wrote:
>
> My friend who just returned home to LV from this did not have such a confusing experience. He did plan on spending Aug. thru early Dec. at a relative's house around 30 miles from AC, that along with the round trip flight equaled a fair amount of expenses. But, prior to travelling there he studied the rules and called to verify if there were any last minute changes, then before betting he asked two casino management suits exactly what the rules were--and he received clear & courteous answers.
>
> All this confusion we're reading about continues to flow from undocumented sources, with no basis in fact. How is it one professional player from LV knows how to approach this properly in order to protect himself, and all these supposed others just walked in and played without understanding the rules? Nothing was hidden, nothing was changed after the 1st, and if you played the games fairly (& even beat them out of $8k in this guy's case) no one bothered or even cared about you.
>
> As for the Jersey media, it appears there's really nothing to report. They're probably being entertained by all the assertions flying thru some of these sites. And if Gaming had even one complaint that was valid, we'd have seen that by now.
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "MHS" <mspevack@...>
> To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [vpFREE] Revel-ation
> Date: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 8:16 am
> Don't be so quick to mock the situation, one that both the news media
>
> and the authorities have shamefully ignored for two weeks. People made
>
> serious plans, some involving significant sums of money, based on the
>
> faulty and deficient details from Revel, and clearly no one has stepped
>
> up to clarify anything about this promotion.
>
>
>
>
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>
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Hi,
I'm a $1 player sometimes up to $10 per hand.
Personally, I always break a Benjie myself when I go in, unless I already have at least several twenties, two fives, two tens and 20 singles on me. That arms me for whatever tipping I might have to do on a one or two day trip (depending on how many hand pays there are.) I always ask for all hundreds on hand pays. Minor hand pays, under $2K get a five, $2K to a $4K RF get a ten. Over $4K, a twenty.
If they bring me back a broken Benjie, it is ALWAYS 5 twenties. That earns them a $0 tip. On the rare occasion when I've gotten either a question, comment or dirty look, I remind them that I asked for all hundreds, and they didn't give me what I asked for. The usual excuse is, "That's what the cashier gave me"; my response, "You should have given back the twenties and gotten me what I asked for." No one has ever screwed up the second hand pay when that happened.
Certainly the game is rigged. Don't let that stop you; if you don't bet, you can't win. -Lazarus Long
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is. -Yogi Berra
There is no such thing as luck. There is only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe. -Robert Heinlein
________________________________
Howdy
I am a 25 cent vp player with an occasional fling to 50 cent territory. When I was down to my last 12.50 out of 400 and playing wishful thinking at 50 cents I hit a spade royal yesterday on a three card draw. Two thosand bucks. The attendant promply showed up and asked if I wanted all hundreds or one in "change.' This guy had replaced a bad chair for me once and turned down a tip...so I felt this was the time to reward him. He returned with my loot with the last hundred in twenties. It was obvious he was fishing for a twenty dollar tip. This turned me off . I could have asked for change of the twenty or gave him nothing. Because of our past history and the fact it was my first royal at the 50 cent level I gave him the twenty. However I think he was being blatant.
Any thoughts and what would you have done given the complete picture?
Ralph Gary
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My friend who just returned home to LV from this did not have such a confusing experience. He did plan on spending Aug. thru early Dec. at a relative's house around 30 miles from AC, that along with the round trip flight equaled a fair amount of expenses. But, prior to travelling there he studied the rules and called to verify if there were any last minute changes, then before betting he asked two casino management suits exactly what the rules were--and he received clear & courteous answers.
All this confusion we're reading about continues to flow from undocumented sources, with no basis in fact. How is it one professional player from LV knows how to approach this properly in order to protect himself, and all these supposed others just walked in and played without understanding the rules? Nothing was hidden, nothing was changed after the 1st, and if you played the games fairly (& even beat them out of $8k in this guy's case) no one bothered or even cared about you.
As for the Jersey media, it appears there's really nothing to report. They're probably being entertained by all the assertions flying thru some of these sites. And if Gaming had even one complaint that was valid, we'd have seen that by now.
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From: "MHS" <mspevack@optonline.net>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Revel-ation
Date: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 8:16 am
Don't be so quick to mock the situation, one that both the news media
and the authorities have shamefully ignored for two weeks. People made
serious plans, some involving significant sums of money, based on the
faulty and deficient details from Revel, and clearly no one has stepped
up to clarify anything about this promotion.
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If you have a case, it's usually a big mistake to start yakking to the public. Casinos will usually pay off much more if you agree to a gag order. The public never hears about the big juicy settlements. "Going to the press" is a valuable threat, but once executed, the cat is out of the bag, so to speak. The value is in the threat, not the execution.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" <harry.porter@...> wrote:
>
> I've got no dog in this "fight", vpplayer88, so I'm willing to accept your claim that some players were innocently excluded from the Revel promo, until such time as hard data to the contrary comes to light.
>
> But, frankly, what I will note is that of what I've read, it's clear to me that at least some players were legitimately bumped, having been observed engaging in the Ult-X "vulnerability" to hide wins.
>
> As to others who may have been inappropriately netted, if these exist on any number, I'm stunned by their discretion in not speaking out of turn. In past circumstances, even where a player intends to seek a legal remedy, they can be usually counted on to be sufficiently forthcoming with general details of their indignation, even while observing appropriate discretion, such that one readily gets that someone was wronged. in this case, I haven't seen zip except out of the one player who came forth with vague details of his and his buddy's circumstances that, with modest insight, strongly smacks of the Ult-X scam in operation.
>
> As I said, I'm a largely disinterested party. I write merely to suggest why someone who's perused the public discussion might have doubts that "innocents" are involved.
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpplayer88" <vpplayer88@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Because that's not what happened. People playing big slots were banned for playing big slots. No reason was given but all they did is play big. Your characterization is false.
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rob.singer1111@" <rob.singer1111@> wrote:
> > >
> > > OK we've heard from all sides now, so why don't we just wait and see what happens. Maybe these anonymous gamblers with "pending lawsuits" who supposedly were told out of the blue and for no reason whatsoever: "too bad fellas....you lost, you played 100% by the rules, but it's Revel's decision not to give you the rebate" will eventually battle this out in public so we can all see what's going on.
> > >
> > > ----- Reply message -----
> > > From: "vpplayer88" <vpplayer88@>
> > > To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 9 JUL 2013
> > > Date: Wed, Jul 10, 2013 12:30 pm
> > > Put your money where your mouth is. I know you are wrong, lets make a bet. We can escrow the money to a trusted source sonce you dont know me.I know several of the legitimate players that were removed, and they aren't talking to the press because of developing lawsuits.
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> > > Also, I know it's a rumor, but many people are saying you are consulting for the revel on this promo. Can you go on the record and officially deny this?
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