I have to tell you of this real life incident that happened to us a number
of years ago. I have
been going to Vegas for many years earlier and my daughter who was probably
around 12
when she started to ask me when I was going to take her to Vegas with me. I
always told
her that she would not be able to until she reached the gambling age of 21.
She never
did forget this and on her 20th birthday she reminded me that she would be
ready to go to
Vegas next year and as I had to be good to my promise, I had to take her.
Reality finally set in and I was trying to figure out if I could afford to
take the entire family, that
was my 21 year old daughter, my 17 year old son and my Wife. Well I had
little choice, a
promise is a promise and I ended up booking all four of us on a direct
flight from Toronto to Vegas.
While we were waiting to board our flight in the departure lounge the
announcement finally
came over the PA stating that our flight was boarding and we were to start
lining up. My kids
were with me but the wife had gone to the bathroom a while before and I
could not see her
anywhere. The three of us went to the back of the line and all the time
looking around for my
wife, as we were fast approaching the ticket desk we were getting a little
worried when she
finally showed up.
We were behind two other passengers before we would be giving our ticket
stubs to the
flight attendants when out of nowhere a young man appeared in a wheelchair
and came up
to my wife, whispered something in her ear and then placed something in her
hand and
quickly rolled away back into the terminal and disappeared. Almost at the
same time we
were at the counter handing in our tickets and walking onto the walkway to
the plane's
entrance. I finally started to question my wife on what took her so long and
who the guy in the
wheelchair was. She said that she was coming from the bathroom and she
noticed this 20's
blonde, not too bad looking man in a wheelchair going up to a number of
younger women
but was being ignored and as he passed my wife she noticed that his shoe
lace was undone
and she stopped him to tie it up, she exchanged some short pleasantries with
him and ran to get in line.
She then said that he gave her some kind of a memento and whispered that she
was the
only person on this flight to Vegas that actually acknowledged him and that
he wanted to give
her something. I still did not know what she had in her closed hand but as
we slowly walked
toward the plane's door she said it looked like it was a $5 chip but she was
not sure. I asked her
to show me and to my surprise she was holding onto a $500 MGM casino chip. I
guess in my excitement
I was a little loud and there were three women behind us that overheard me
and they told us that the
wheelchair guy was around them and if they would have known he was giving
that away chips they would
have surely spoke to him.
So here we were, still at the Toronto airport, going to Vegas and we were
already up $500. We did wonder
if the chip was legitimate and what was this guy doing giving away this chip
and he was not even boarding our flight.
This trip was probably one of the most memorable as the chip was good, we
went to the MGM and cashed it in with
no problems, My son who was obviously under age was like Papa Georgio, he
was being served drinks throughout
the entire trip, he hit the Jackpot at the Golden Nugget, Top Dollar machine
for over $1000.00 (For which I quickly
traded seats with to avoid any questions). I still remember going back to
our room to give him his money and he
jumped up and down on the bed throwing $100 bills into the air and then
taking us all out for a Lobster dinner afterwards.
What makes this story even stranger is that exactly a year earlier the wife
and I were on a business trip to Montreal and
I decided to go to the Montreal Casino and she went shopping so I gave her
$600 to hold onto (to pay for our hotel bill).
She was in a coffee shop that afternoon and wanted to buy a homeless one
armed man lunch, and somewhere in
between the line up to the cashier her wallet was stolen and she did not
realize it until she left the restaurant.
As this was many years ago the US dollar was at a all time high compared to
the Canadian Dollar so when we did the
math the $500 US chip came very close to the $600.
Looking back we now joke about that day when both of us got taken by one
armed bandits.
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I don't believe in 'karma' either, Harry, but something similar happened to
me. I was in a casino gift shop/newsstand in LV, and I looked down and saw a
black chip. I don't think I'd ever even seen a red chip on the floor before
in many years of blackjack playing, but there's a $100 chip staring back at
me. I picked it up, paid for my tic-tacs or whatever, and went out the door.
A woman came out and I thought she might have been in front of me in line. I
said, "is there any chance you dropped a chip?". She put her hand in a
pocket and said, 'yes'. I asked, "what denomination?", still hoping I'd get
to keep it. She said, "Black". I gave it to her, and barely got a 'thank
you'. BUT...later that day, I accidentally made a duplicate horse bet that
I'd forgotten I'd made earlier. It paid something like $95, and I thought,
'maybe there IS something to this karma business!'
--Dunbar
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[vpFREE] Re: A "winning" moment
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:
>
> There was a recent thread here re "altruism" and "self-interest". What I'll lay claim to is an act of optimistic self-interest. I know I would find the world a more satisfying place if others were to behave similarly, and that's sufficient motivation for me. No one need point out the truth that the world, in general, is likely to always fall short of that mark.
>
> - Harry
>
I'm very athletic and while jogging once spotted some small papers on the side of the road. Although I normally wouldn't stop I did. And I discovered $300 with a bank withdrawal slip wrapped around the cash.
It never occurred to me NOT to take the money back to the bank. Like you, I would have wanted someone to do that for me.
But, as you say, we can fall short of the mark. Assume a casino promises me $100 in slot credits. I insert my card and find there is $1000 in freeplay instead. Do I speak up?
I'll need to think about that one for awhile.
(Pause)
Uh, sorry, I'm probably keeping silent this time.
And my "score" is now tied 1-1. Not quite a sinner, but surely not a Saint.
[vpFREE] Re: A "winning" moment
I don't believe in 'karma' either, Harry, but something similar happened to me. I was in a casino gift shop/newsstand in LV, and I looked down and saw a black chip. I don't think I'd ever even seen a red chip on the floor before in many years of blackjack playing, but there's a $100 chip staring back at me. I picked it up, paid for my tic-tacs or whatever, and went out the door. A woman came out and I thought she might have been in front of me in line. I said, "is there any chance you dropped a chip?". She put her hand in a pocket and said, 'yes'. I asked, "what denomination?", still hoping I'd get to keep it. She said, "Black". I gave it to her, and barely got a 'thank you'. BUT...later that day, I accidentally made a duplicate horse bet that I'd forgotten I'd made earlier. It paid something like $95, and I thought, 'maybe there IS something to this karma business!'
--Dunbar
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:
>
> Bev and I hit Tahoe on a Harrah's junket out of Philly this weekend. Sat morning play was modestly disappointing, down over $2500 playing BP (74K CI).
>
> We checked out the TP Jacks mid-floor and discovered a $800 ticket sticking out of one of machines. Trust me when I say the temptation to use it to salve the loss was hot on our minds. Still, mindful of the time when I left $200 in a machine at Borgata about 5 years ago, swiftly returning to it within 2 minutes only to find it had been cashed out with the players in the area claiming ignorance, I was resolute that we would hand this ticket over for hopeful return to the player.
>
> A slot manager was summoned, who was fairly convincing that he would look up the player and seek him out in his room or the restaurants. It was gratifying when, later that night in talking to my host in the H/L room, the manager walked over and told us the player was pleased to have the cash returned.
>
> There was a recent thread here re "altruism" and "self-interest". What I'll lay claim to is an act of optimistic self-interest. I know I would find the world a more satisfying place if others were to behave similarly, and that's sufficient motivation for me. No one need point out the truth that the world, in general, is likely to always fall short of that mark.
>
> - Harry
>
> btw, I'm not much a believer in "karma" ... particularly in the short run (the "longer term" is another story ;). Nonetheless, our first hour of play after this incident netted a $850 win, and a final 2 hour session each that evening gave back just $90 in added losses.
>
Re: [vpFREE] Re: "BIG teams became extinct due to IRS pressure"
Frank, even Objectivists who eschew altruism still speak of
the glory of doing the right thing because it's the right thing.
Most people aren't the type who want to poison the well.
Of course, there are morons, as it was recently put here,
and rude ones and all varieties of unnice folks in this world.
And you have to take it into account.
Me, I wouldn't cheat if I thought I could pull it off.
100% sure, stolen food tastes bad.
--- On Thu, 3/3/11, Frank <frank@progressivevp.com> wrote:
From: Frank <frank@progressivevp.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: "BIG teams became extinct due to IRS pressure"
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 3, 2011, 4:13 PM
Very interesting stuff. I always wondered why the IRS treated like we were trying to get away with something and just common criminals, when to my knowledge we reported every penny we made correctly, and filled for all of it. I'm now thinking that they were lumping us in with the other teams, and we caught heat for their bad behavior.
There is a lesson to be learned here. If one is part of a community, that's perceived as a cohesive group (like professional gamblers) it only takes one bad apple to spoil it for the bushel.
We had nothing to do with the other teams, and no financial connection to them. But of course the IRS had no way of knowing that. They must have assumed if one team is trying to get away with something, they probably all are.
Now here's the question: will even one person intending to break the law in a casino now refrain because of the knowledge that it could hurt more than just themselves...I doubt it.
~FK
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote: There's a little more to the story than meets the eye. Frank may have run a clean ship but that doesn't mean the other teams did. Down and out "to hell with the IRS" hustlers would sign W2-G's for up to 10%.
Steve was a poker dealer at the Colorado Belle when I was spending lots of time in Laughlin from 1996 to 2002. He told me about being down and out when he first came to Las Vegas....and going to work on Tuna Lund's team.
I asked him what was going on with the W2-G situation. Who was signing? He said "There was lots of swapping seats going on. I signed a bunch. A few years later I started dealing poker, got married and settled down....then the IRS dunned me for $50,000. They finally settled with me for $7,000. I had to make payments until I got it all paid."
Tuna is dead now. "To hell with the IRS!" would probably be a nice litle epitaph on his tombstone.
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Re: [vpFREE] Re: "BIG teams became extinct due to IRS pressure"
>> > The BIG teams became extinct due to IRS pressure more than a decade ago.
>
> oh? how'd that happen? not paying your taxes?
>
> No we paid our taxes. Some of our players did not. We were paying them as independent contractors and that's what the IRS took issue with.
ok, but... why would that lead to extinction? i don't see why the
business model collapses if you pay them as employees instead.
[vpFREE] Re: A "winning" moment
H,
You and Bev should be commended for doing the right thing. Then again I wouldn't have expect anything else from the Pope.
CLee
-
>
> We checked out the TP Jacks mid-floor and discovered a $800 ticket sticking out of one of machines. Trust me when I say the temptation to use it to salve the loss was hot on our minds. Still, mindful of the time when I left $200 in a machine at Borgata about 5 years ago, swiftly returning to it within 2 minutes only to find it had been cashed out with the players in the area claiming ignorance, I was resolute that we would hand this ticket over for hopeful return to the player.
[vpFREE] Re: A "winning" moment
Excellent move Harry You are to be congratulated.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:
>
> Bev and I hit Tahoe on a Harrah's junket out of Philly this weekend. Sat morning play was modestly disappointing, down over $2500 playing BP (74K CI).
>
> We checked out the TP Jacks mid-floor and discovered a $800 ticket sticking out of one of machines. Trust me when I say the temptation to use it to salve the loss was hot on our minds. Still, mindful of the time when I left $200 in a machine at Borgata about 5 years ago, swiftly returning to it within 2 minutes only to find it had been cashed out with the players in the area claiming ignorance, I was resolute that we would hand this ticket over for hopeful return to the player.
>
> A slot manager was summoned, who was fairly convincing that he would look up the player and seek him out in his room or the restaurants. It was gratifying when, later that night in talking to my host in the H/L room, the manager walked over and told us the player was pleased to have the cash returned.
>
> There was a recent thread here re "altruism" and "self-interest". What I'll lay claim to is an act of optimistic self-interest. I know I would find the world a more satisfying place if others were to behave similarly, and that's sufficient motivation for me. No one need point out the truth that the world, in general, is likely to always fall short of that mark.
>
> - Harry
>
> btw, I'm not much a believer in "karma" ... particularly in the short run (the "longer term" is another story ;). Nonetheless, our first hour of play after this incident netted a $850 win, and a final 2 hour session each that evening gave back just $90 in added losses.
>
Re: [vpFREE] Re: "BIG teams became extinct due to IRS pressure"
"I always wondered why the IRS treated like we were trying to get away with something and just common criminals"
Because that's how they treat all citizens, regardless.
Valerie
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[vpFREE] Re: "BIG teams became extinct due to IRS pressure"
Very interesting stuff. I always wondered why the IRS treated like we were trying to get away with something and just common criminals, when to my knowledge we reported every penny we made correctly, and filled for all of it. I'm now thinking that they were lumping us in with the other teams, and we caught heat for their bad behavior.
There is a lesson to be learned here. If one is part of a community, that's perceived as a cohesive group (like professional gamblers) it only takes one bad apple to spoil it for the bushel.
We had nothing to do with the other teams, and no financial connection to them. But of course the IRS had no way of knowing that. They must have assumed if one team is trying to get away with something, they probably all are.
Now here's the question: will even one person intending to break the law in a casino now refrain because of the knowledge that it could hurt more than just themselves...I doubt it.
~FK
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote: There's a little more to the story than meets the eye. Frank may have run a clean ship but that doesn't mean the other teams did. Down and out "to hell with the IRS" hustlers would sign W2-G's for up to 10%.
Steve was a poker dealer at the Colorado Belle when I was spending lots of time in Laughlin from 1996 to 2002. He told me about being down and out when he first came to Las Vegas....and going to work on Tuna Lund's team.
I asked him what was going on with the W2-G situation. Who was signing? He said "There was lots of swapping seats going on. I signed a bunch. A few years later I started dealing poker, got married and settled down....then the IRS dunned me for $50,000. They finally settled with me for $7,000. I had to make payments until I got it all paid."
Tuna is dead now. "To hell with the IRS!" would probably be a nice litle epitaph on his tombstone.
[vpFREE] Re: "BIG teams became extinct due to IRS pressure"
There's a little more to the story than meets the eye. Frank may have run a clean ship but that doesn't mean the other teams did. Down and out "to hell with the IRS" hustlers would sign W2-G's for up to 10%.
Steve was a poker dealer at the Colorado Belle when I was spending lots of time in Laughlin from 1996 to 2002. He told me about being down and out when he first came to Las Vegas....and going to work on Tuna Lund's team.
I asked him what was going on with the W2-G situation. Who was signing? He said "There was lots of swapping seats going on. I signed a bunch. A few years later I started dealing poker, got married and settled down....then the IRS dunned me for $50,000. They finally settled with me for $7,000. I had to make payments until I got it all paid."
Tuna is dead now. "To hell with the IRS!" would probably be a nice litle epitaph on his tombstone.
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