[vpFREE] Re: Comp Cutbacks from Boyd properties for "smart" and/or "winning" player??

 

It's difficult for me to follow what the problem is. Sam's changed your future room offers from 3 any day to 3 Sun-Thurs? Is that it?

Curious which DDB progressive you played there. Was it 9-6? 8-5? What was it? Is that the $1500 royal you hit?

Is there something I overlooked? Or something you left out? I don't see the big problem.


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Got back from a week in Las Vegas--stayed at and played at mostly 4 Boyd properties--SunCoast, Gold Coast, Orleans and Sam's Town. Even though I went there mainly to see Fleetwood Mac, and gambling was secondary, I came back a small winner, thanks to advice from this group. Mostly played 99.5% or better machines at the first three properties, and, despite my better judgment, the DDB $0.25 progressive machine at Sam's Town. Again, despite my intentions, wound up doing more gambling in total than I did on last several trips combined--rolled up 30-odd thousand points, and, beating the short term odds, hit a $1,500 Royal at Sam's Town. So going through multiple thousands of dollars at each property (getting bonus multipliers on Seniors Days helped out--cashed out $170 off my points--every little bit counts), I got home ahead of the game, waiting for my offers to change. And boy did they--3 out of 4 stayed the same out into August and September, and Sam's Town's went from 3 free days (any day) to 3 free days (Sun-Thurs).


Between all the property offers, I'll still get my week free of hotel bills, but it does make one wonder--presuming of course, that the BConnected computers correctly tracked and are aware of my play, am I that much of a profit problem for the casino that my Sam's Town offers are cut, to discourage my going there? I thought casinos in Las Vegas have recovered from the Great Recession, and are making money? Did not meticulously track my coin in, but someone who runs through say, $5,000 in a couple of days be worth some free rooms, especially off the Strip?? I actually figured I'd get upgraded--big difference is that I am a net winner at Sam's Town, and probably net negative or close to even at the the other three. Of course I played zero slots, because, as you would all expect, my short term variations are always vastly to the negative.


So back to the subject of the post, which is not accurate, in that I'm not smart to have played the DDB at Sam's Town, but was lucky enough to have been a winner there, it looks like Sam's is rolling back the red carpet. This is what Bob and Richard have been alluding to on GWAE podcast, but does it not seem to be kind of a hard hit to the low rollers? I can imagine being a profit concern if I was played $25 FPDW, if such a game existed at Boyd properties (of course VPFREE2 tells me I won't need to look for it, because it aint there), but at the 25 cent level??


Sorry for the long rant, but after spending many more hours (and throwing much more money through than usual at the machines), it seems like a very unpleasant move by the property towards my play. Just seeing what the experts here figure--am I being unreasonable in my expectations???


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Re: [vpFREE] Re: May 25 vp points at GC...

Just got a postcard from Gold Coast. 7x for vp on the 25th.
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Sorry for change in topic. LVA shows 7xpts. for vp. AGC - shows 5x?
Anybody know for sure? Thanks in advance

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Comp Cutbacks from Boyd properties for "smart" and/or "winning" player??

 

The 4 LV Boyd properties do not always march together – lot of differences in how they market and how they treat various groups of players or individual players.

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Don't have first hand experience for these properties from which to comment, but am willing to speculate.

First, I played Sam's Town in Tunica with a consistent run of good luck and never saw my offers adversely impacted. Still, that experience is dated by almost 2 years, so may not be applicable.

But, frankly, if Boyd were to take adverse action based upon you win/loss experience, I certainly would expect it to be applied across the board. Instead, I'd simply assume that the DDB progressive you played has a thin rating. Consequently, while you coin-in may have been strong, the rating may be much weaker than you typically establish ... thus the selective downgrade in offers.

Mere speculation; but I'd put a certain amount of confidence in it.

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Got back from a week in Las Vegas--stayed at and played at mostly 4 Boyd properties--SunCoast, Gold Coast, Orleans and Sam's Town. Even though I went there mainly to see Fleetwood Mac, and gambling was secondary, I came back a small winner, thanks to advice from this group. Mostly played 99.5% or better machines at the first three properties, and, despite my better judgment, the DDB $0.25 progressive machine at Sam's Town. Again, despite my intentions, wound up doing more gambling in total than I did on last several trips combined--rolled up 30-odd thousand points, and, beating the short term odds, hit a $1,500 Royal at Sam's Town. So going through multiple thousands of dollars at each property (getting bonus multipliers on Seniors Days helped out--cashed out $170 off my points--every little bit counts), I got home ahead of the game, waiting for my offers to change. And boy did they--3 out of 4 stayed the same out into August and September, and Sam's Town's went from 3 free days (any day) to 3 free days (Sun-Thurs).

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[vpFREE] Re: Comp Cutbacks from Boyd properties for "smart" and/or "winning" player??

 

Don't have first hand experience for these properties from which to comment, but am willing to speculate.

First, I played Sam's Town in Tunica with a consistent run of good luck and never saw my offers adversely impacted. Still, that experience is dated by almost 2 years, so may not be applicable.

But, frankly, if Boyd were to take adverse action based upon you win/loss experience, I certainly would expect it to be applied across the board. Instead, I'd simply assume that the DDB progressive you played has a thin rating. Consequently, while you coin-in may have been strong, the rating may be much weaker than you typically establish ... thus the selective downgrade in offers.

Mere speculation; but I'd put a certain amount of confidence in it.



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Got back from a week in Las Vegas--stayed at and played at mostly 4 Boyd properties--SunCoast, Gold Coast, Orleans and Sam's Town. Even though I went there mainly to see Fleetwood Mac, and gambling was secondary, I came back a small winner, thanks to advice from this group. Mostly played 99.5% or better machines at the first three properties, and, despite my better judgment, the DDB $0.25 progressive machine at Sam's Town. Again, despite my intentions, wound up doing more gambling in total than I did on last several trips combined--rolled up 30-odd thousand points, and, beating the short term odds, hit a $1,500 Royal at Sam's Town. So going through multiple thousands of dollars at each property (getting bonus multipliers on Seniors Days helped out--cashed out $170 off my points--every little bit counts), I got home ahead of the game, waiting for my offers to change. And boy did they--3 out of 4 stayed the same out into August and September, and Sam's Town's went from 3 free days (any day) to 3 free days (Sun-Thurs).







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[vpFREE] Comp Cutbacks from Boyd properties for "smart" and/or "winning" player??

 

Got back from a week in Las Vegas--stayed at and played at mostly 4 Boyd properties--SunCoast, Gold Coast, Orleans and Sam's Town. Even though I went there mainly to see Fleetwood Mac, and gambling was secondary, I came back a small winner, thanks to advice from this group. Mostly played 99.5% or better machines at the first three properties, and, despite my better judgment, the DDB $0.25 progressive machine at Sam's Town. Again, despite my intentions, wound up doing more gambling in total than I did on last several trips combined--rolled up 30-odd thousand points, and, beating the short term odds, hit a $1,500 Royal at Sam's Town. So going through multiple thousands of dollars at each property (getting bonus multipliers on Seniors Days helped out--cashed out $170 off my points--every little bit counts), I got home ahead of the game, waiting for my offers to change. And boy did they--3 out of 4 stayed the same out into August and September, and Sam's Town's went from 3 free days (any day) to 3 free days (Sun-Thurs).


Between all the property offers, I'll still get my week free of hotel bills, but it does make one wonder--presuming of course, that the BConnected computers correctly tracked and are aware of my play, am I that much of a profit problem for the casino that my Sam's Town offers are cut, to discourage my going there? I thought casinos in Las Vegas have recovered from the Great Recession, and are making money? Did not meticulously track my coin in, but someone who runs through say, $5,000 in a couple of days be worth some free rooms, especially off the Strip?? I actually figured I'd get upgraded--big difference is that I am a net winner at Sam's Town, and probably net negative or close to even at the the other three. Of course I played zero slots, because, as you would all expect, my short term variations are always vastly to the negative.


So back to the subject of the post, which is not accurate, in that I'm not smart to have played the DDB at Sam's Town, but was lucky enough to have been a winner there, it looks like Sam's is rolling back the red carpet. This is what Bob and Richard have been alluding to on GWAE podcast, but does it not seem to be kind of a hard hit to the low rollers? I can imagine being a profit concern if I was played $25 FPDW, if such a game existed at Boyd properties (of course VPFREE2 tells me I won't need to look for it, because it aint there), but at the 25 cent level??


Sorry for the long rant, but after spending many more hours (and throwing much more money through than usual at the machines), it seems like a very unpleasant move by the property towards my play. Just seeing what the experts here figure--am I being unreasonable in my expectations???

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Re: [vpFREE] XVP: Any advice on where to find Pai Gow poker downtown?

 

Another place to try for Pai Gow Poker is the Gold Coast or the Orleans. They usually have a few tables going and the progressives can get quite high at both casinos. They sometimes post the amounts on their websites.

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Thank you very much. My pre food poisoning scouting was a 5AM when table offerings were limited. I had some observations about the quality of what looked like the for pay companionship prowling around.

I have been trying to get my $25 Pai Gow friend to leave CZR for downtown.

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Re: [vpFREE] XVP: Any advice on where to find Pai Gow poker downtown?

 

Thank you very much. My pre food poisoning scouting was a 5AM when table offerings were limited. I had some observations about the quality of what looked like the for pay companionship prowling around.

I have been trying to get my $25 Pai Gow friend to leave CZR for downtown.






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[vpFREE] Re: AGEM Hails Passage of Senate Bill 9 in Nevada

 


To hear you talk here lately, noti, RIP advantage play.

I'm here to tell you that AP is alive and well. The greater body of players who've suffered some form of "exclusion" are guilty of indulging like pigs at the trough.

I grasp grabbing an opportunity when it's hot, but if you openly gulp the slop, be prepared to have your ham fried. The majority of casual, recreational "skilled players" still find a relatively warm welcome in the casino.

Yes, it's true that the strongest games are being scaled back in quantity. But I'm not sure that's entirely irrational of the casinos, depending upon the hold numbers they're seeing and the impact such games have on promotions.

All I really know is that I seem to be enjoying my play more and more these days, now that it's becoming a seldom occurrence that I have to elbow my way in to a machine I desire to play.

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The problem is they already have lots of skill based games, even slots where you can get an edge if you have the skills, but they have been actively pursuing and punishing anyone they think is or might be a "skilled player." In order for the casinos to survive they will have to learn to embrace the skilled player.

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Re: [vpFREE] XVP: Any advice on where to find Pai Gow poker downtown?

 

I know they have Pai Gow Poker at MSS, 4 Queens, and I think they have it at the California and the Fremont, and Binions.
There isn't any at the El Cortez.

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Thanks

I really liked my Downtown experience until food poisoning cut the enjoyable part of my trip off. I was supposed to do a bit of scouting. OTOH I did lose 10 lbs in 4 days.

Rich

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[vpFREE] Re: AGEM Hails Passage of Senate Bill 9 in Nevada

 

"Skill based play" is another disruptive technology from the interwebs. They don't call it gambling, so it's legal in all 50 states. Right now it's mostly draftkings.com but in the future it's bound to expand, including sites aimed at female gamblers and probably juvenile gamblers as well. The casinos know they are in trouble and don't want to get amazoned like the shopping malls. So they passed this bill that allows them to include "skill based games". The problem is they already have lots of skill based games, even slots where you can get an edge if you have the skills, but they have been actively pursuing and punishing anyone they think is or might be a "skilled player." In order for the casinos to survive they will have to learn to embrace the skilled player. It's no big deal, they just need a radical change in attitude. If customers aren't breaking the laws, leave them alone. The courts may eventually make this ruling anyway, it is the law in North Las Vegas (not to be confused with the city of Las Vegas). Don't sweat the occasional winners, use them as marketing instead, gamblers are attracted to places where there are some winners. Obviously the casinos don't need to swing to the other extreme and give away the franchise either, they need to make a profit, make that profit on the bulk of players. The obvious example would be something like an 8-5 double double bonus progressive with a 2% royal meter progressive. The 2% meter is key, that's what attracts gamblers, skilled and unskilled alike. On average, the worst that game can yield to the casino is about a percent, even if everyone is playing computer perfect. Sure some skilled players and some lucky players will beat the casino, but the casino will win overall and likely hold more like 2 or 3 percent or more on this type of machine. On the other hand if they persist in 86ing everyone who hits the progressive, they will soon find they have few to no customers. One thing a casino needs is customers, sure it would be nice from the casino perspective if they were all totally unskilled idiots but let's be realistic. A casino needs to work with the customers they can get, and the few skilled and lucky players keep the less skilled and less lucky engaged. The casinos make money indirectly from the skilled players. Persecuting skilled and lucky players is just the way of the dinosaur, it just makes it easier for another "killer app" to clear out an existing market segment.

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I have difficulty with the term "advantage play". I know casinos really hate "advantage players" and there's a website called advantageplayer.com but I'm not really sure what an "advantage play" is. Does it just mean a play where someone with skill can gain an edge over someone without skill? So someone who can play 9-6 Jacks with an average return of 99% or better is an "advantage player"? Does it just mean someone can win? If there's a free slot tournament where everyone wins something, is that an "advantage play". If there is a free gift giveaway with everyone eligible, is that an "advantage play"? Is a 2-for-1 buffet coupon an "advantage play"? A $5 matchplay? If there is a buy in tournament where all the buy in's are distributed as prizes and skill can be used to gain an advantage, is that an "advantage play"? Does the situation change if the casino rakes the pot or adds an overlay to the pot? Is it the goal of casinos to have no "advantage plays"? If so, doesn't that mean a continuing shrinking market? If the customer has a choice of playing where "advantage plays" are allowed or playing where "advantage plays" are not allowed, why would they chose the later?

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RE: [vpFREE] Re: May 25 vp points at GC...

Sorry for change in topic. LVA shows 7xpts. for vp. AGC - shows 5x? Anybody know for sure? Thanks in advance

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You are so right cardfather it matters what you keep. Get annuitized early and keep everything for the rest of your life. Melbed, I would have to disagree with some of what you said. It does matter how you play. Sure mega bucks and lotteries have "made" many millionaires but how many countless others have gone broke, landed on welfare or ruined their families financial future. I personally don't know any good video poker player that has gone broke. As a matter of fact even though he is a bit too conservative for me if you follow the advise of nightoftheiguna you will never go broke.



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[vpFREE] XVP: Any advice on where to find Pai Gow poker downtown?

 

Thanks


I really liked my Downtown experience until food poisoning cut the enjoyable part of my trip off. I was supposed to do a bit of scouting. OTOH I did lose 10 lbs in 4 days.




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[vpFREE] Vegas Values Report - 17 MAY 2015

 

Vegas Values Report - 17 MAY 2015

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