[vpFREE] Interesting reading about CTR's SAR's and what is really on the TITO barcode....

 
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Re: [vpFREE] Mickey Crimm

 

Best of 2 worlds!  Gamblers would buy based on gambling-related stories.  NON-gamblers
would buy based on human-interest/life struggles/character-accounting interest stories.  I
could even envision 2 different covers with 2 different "appeals"--if that is a do-able option
in the "book" industry!

Jean H--
The random number generator does not respond
to violence. -Melissa Fine, Strictly Slots
 
Life is ten percent what you make it
and ninety percent how you take it!
 
"I believe in luck: how else can you explain
the success of those you dislike?" —Jean Cocteau

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From: George <glee4ever@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 10:20 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Mickey Crimm

 
I am trying to convince Mickey to write a book about his life
and all the anecdotes he has described.

He thinks gambling books are a niche market and wonders
how big the market would be. I am trying to convince him
that his book would be a human interest story and that
gambling is just incidental.

I told him I would query list members what they thought.

Vote whether you think it is about gambling or general
human interest (of interest to the public at large).

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Mickey Crimm

 

So if I changed my example to 100 positions and made the payout $95 on the 1 winning position then you would have the
95% payback. The idea for the example was to show how a machine can have a set hold, but still be completely random.

Regards

A.P.

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From: gamb00ler <gamb00ler@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 9:19:42 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Mickey Crimm

Here is how to design a single reel slot machine
with only two outcomes and with payback = 95%.

Let L and W represent the # of losing and winning symbols respectively.

We need to solve the two following simultaneous equations to
determine the values for L and W.

1) L + W = 100
2) L - W = 5 or L = W + 5

substituting W + 5 into equation 1) in place of L gives:
W + 5 + W = 100
which simplifies to:
2W = 95 or W = 47.5
and therefore L = 52.5

Since you physically can't have 47.5 or 52.5
symbols on a reel, double those values to 95
and 105 respectively.

In Albert's example below the payback is actually
100/105 or 95.238%.

G'luck all,
Gamb00ler

Albert Pearson wrote:
>
> The way that I believe it works is as follows for an example.
> Lets say you have a machine with 2 possible outcomes
> 1. get nothing .
> 2. get $100.
> Now let us assume that we want a payback of 95%.
> We set the chip to have 105 positions.
> 1 position is the $100
> 104 positions have $0.
> The random number generator will pump out any number between 1 and 105.
> If all positions are hit once the machine will hold $5.
>  
> I hope this explains it.
>  
> Regards
>
>
> A.P.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "rob.singer1111@..." <rob.singer1111@...>
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 6:40:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Mickey Crimm
>
>
>
> I watched the video of Shack talking about slot machines. It wasn't very clear--did I miss something? He states that as soon as you hit the bet button (or pull the handle) the RNG selects the outcome for each reel and the corresponding symbols appear on the screen. However, he repeatedly says that the machine's EPROM chip determines what payback % the machine is set at, and the Casino Manager can change that chip at will.
>
> So, if a machine is set to pay back at a 96% rate for instance, how then can there also be a true RNG at work that randomly selects numbers with corresponding symbols? It's either a RNG or it isn't.
>

 

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Mickey Crimm

 

Moose Drool?

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Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 12:57 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Mickey Crimm

 
Rob Singer sends:

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I've always believed Mickey to be at his best after polishing off a
case of Moosehead--which is a favorite of mine today and which I only
tried because of his strong recommendation--and, sober or not or true
or not, his stories are as interesting these days as Scottie from
Scottie's Castle fame were in his day.

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Mickey Crimm

 

I used 105 positions in my example.

Regards

A.P.

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From: gamb00ler <gamb00ler@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 9:19:42 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Mickey Crimm

Here is how to design a single reel slot machine
with only two outcomes and with payback = 95%.

Let L and W represent the # of losing and winning symbols respectively.

We need to solve the two following simultaneous equations to
determine the values for L and W.

1) L + W = 100
2) L - W = 5 or L = W + 5

substituting W + 5 into equation 1) in place of L gives:
W + 5 + W = 100
which simplifies to:
2W = 95 or W = 47.5
and therefore L = 52.5

Since you physically can't have 47.5 or 52.5
symbols on a reel, double those values to 95
and 105 respectively.

In Albert's example below the payback is actually
100/105 or 95.238%.

G'luck all,
Gamb00ler

Albert Pearson wrote:
>
> The way that I believe it works is as follows for an example.
> Lets say you have a machine with 2 possible outcomes
> 1. get nothing .
> 2. get $100.
> Now let us assume that we want a payback of 95%.
> We set the chip to have 105 positions.
> 1 position is the $100
> 104 positions have $0.
> The random number generator will pump out any number between 1 and 105.
> If all positions are hit once the machine will hold $5.
>  
> I hope this explains it.
>  
> Regards
>
>
> A.P.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "rob.singer1111@..." <rob.singer1111@...>
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 6:40:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Mickey Crimm
>
>
>
> I watched the video of Shack talking about slot machines. It wasn't very clear--did I miss something? He states that as soon as you hit the bet button (or pull the handle) the RNG selects the outcome for each reel and the corresponding symbols appear on the screen. However, he repeatedly says that the machine's EPROM chip determines what payback % the machine is set at, and the Casino Manager can change that chip at will.
>
> So, if a machine is set to pay back at a 96% rate for instance, how then can there also be a true RNG at work that randomly selects numbers with corresponding symbols? It's either a RNG or it isn't.
>

 

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[vpFREE] Re: Mickey Crimm

 



Here is how to design a single reel slot machine
with only two outcomes and with payback = 95%.

Let L and W represent the # of losing and winning symbols respectively.

We need to solve the two following simultaneous equations to
determine the values for L and W.

1) L + W = 100
2) L - W = 5 or L = W + 5

substituting W + 5 into equation 1) in place of L gives:
W + 5 + W = 100
which simplifies to:
2W = 95 or W = 47.5
and therefore L = 52.5

Since you physically can't have 47.5 or 52.5
symbols on a reel, double those values to 95
and 105 respectively.

In Albert's example below the payback is actually
100/105 or 95.238%.

G'luck all,
Gamb00ler

Albert Pearson wrote:
>
> The way that I believe it works is as follows for an example.
> Lets say you have a machine with 2 possible outcomes
> 1. get nothing .
> 2. get $100.
> Now let us assume that we want a payback of 95%.
> We set the chip to have 105 positions.
> 1 position is the $100
> 104 positions have $0.
> The random number generator will pump out any number between 1 and 105.
> If all positions are hit once the machine will hold $5.
>  
> I hope this explains it.
>  
> Regards
>
>
> A.P.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "rob.singer1111@..." <rob.singer1111@...>
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 6:40:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Mickey Crimm
>
>
>
> I watched the video of Shack talking about slot machines. It wasn't very clear--did I miss something? He states that as soon as you hit the bet button (or pull the handle) the RNG selects the outcome for each reel and the corresponding symbols appear on the screen. However, he repeatedly says that the machine's EPROM chip determines what payback % the machine is set at, and the Casino Manager can change that chip at will.
>
> So, if a machine is set to pay back at a 96% rate for instance, how then can there also be a true RNG at work that randomly selects numbers with corresponding symbols? It's either a RNG or it isn't.
>

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Mickey Crimm

 

The payback and hold are theoretical until we sit down and
start putting coin in and playing.
 
The real return to the casino can be different than the
expected return, but 'in the long run', it's going to be
pretty close, sometimes better if people make 'mistakes'.

--- On Sun, 8/19/12, Albert Pearson <ehpee@rogers.com> wrote:

From: Albert Pearson <ehpee@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Mickey Crimm
To: "vpFREE@yahoogroups.com" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, August 19, 2012, 5:01 PM

 

The way that I believe it works is as follows for an example.
Lets say you have a machine with 2 possible outcomes
1. get nothing .
2. get $100.
Now let us assume that we want a payback of 95%.
We set the chip to have 105 positions.
1 position is the $100
104 positions have $0.
The random number generator will pump out any number between 1 and 105.
If all positions are hit once the machine will hold $5.
 
I hope this explains it.
 
Regards

A.P.

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From: "rob.singer1111@yahoo.com" <rob.singer1111@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 6:40:27 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Mickey Crimm

I watched the video of Shack talking about slot machines. It wasn't very clear--did I miss something? He states that as soon as you hit the bet button (or pull the handle) the RNG selects the outcome for each reel and the corresponding symbols appear on the screen. However, he repeatedly says that the machine's EPROM chip determines what payback % the machine is set at, and the Casino Manager can change that chip at will.

So, if a machine is set to pay back at a 96% rate for instance, how then can there also be a true RNG at work that randomly selects numbers with corresponding symbols? It's either a RNG or it isn't.

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Mickey Crimm

 

The way that I believe it works is as follows for an example.
Lets say you have a machine with 2 possible outcomes
1. get nothing .
2. get $100.
Now let us assume that we want a payback of 95%.
We set the chip to have 105 positions.
1 position is the $100
104 positions have $0.
The random number generator will pump out any number between 1 and 105.
If all positions are hit once the machine will hold $5.
 
I hope this explains it.
 
Regards

A.P.

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From: "rob.singer1111@yahoo.com" <rob.singer1111@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 6:40:27 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Mickey Crimm

I watched the video of Shack talking about slot machines. It wasn't very clear--did I miss something? He states that as soon as you hit the bet button (or pull the handle) the RNG selects the outcome for each reel and the corresponding symbols appear on the screen. However, he repeatedly says that the machine's EPROM chip determines what payback % the machine is set at, and the Casino Manager can change that chip at will.

So, if a machine is set to pay back at a 96% rate for instance, how then can there also be a true RNG at work that randomly selects numbers with corresponding symbols? It's either a RNG or it isn't.

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Mickey Crimm

 

On 8/19/2012 6:40 PM, rob.singer1111@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> I watched the video of Shack talking about slot machines. It wasn't
> very clear--did I miss something? He states that as soon as you hit
> the bet button (or pull the handle) the RNG selects the outcome for
> each reel and the corresponding symbols appear on the screen. However,
> he repeatedly says that the machine's EPROM chip determines what
> payback % the machine is set at, and the Casino Manager can change
> that chip at will.
>
> So, if a machine is set to pay back at a 96% rate for instance, how
> then can there also be a true RNG at work that randomly selects
> numbers with corresponding symbols? It's either a RNG or it isn't.
>
Best video poker question I have ever seen. And I am no fan of Singer.

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Mickey Crimm

 

I watched the video of Shack talking about slot machines. It wasn't very clear--did I miss something? He states that as soon as you hit the bet button (or pull the handle) the RNG selects the outcome for each reel and the corresponding symbols appear on the screen. However, he repeatedly says that the machine's EPROM chip determines what payback % the machine is set at, and the Casino Manager can change that chip at will.

So, if a machine is set to pay back at a 96% rate for instance, how then can there also be a true RNG at work that randomly selects numbers with corresponding symbols? It's either a RNG or it isn't.

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From: "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@yahoo.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Mickey Crimm
Date: Sun, Aug 19, 2012 12:29 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCf79SyXVHw

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tomflush" <tomflush@...> wrote:

>

> His stories are "OK", but I would be interested in a book about 'current'

> advantage slots ( not historical or burned out plays ). There

> is an AS subculture that keeps real quiet about whats happening and what to

> look for.

> my 2 cents...Tom

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Luke Fuller" <kungalooosh@...>

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[vpFREE] Re: Mickey Crimm

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCf79SyXVHw

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tomflush" <tomflush@...> wrote:
>
> His stories are "OK", but I would be interested in a book about 'current'
> advantage slots ( not historical or burned out plays ). There
> is an AS subculture that keeps real quiet about whats happening and what to
> look for.
> my 2 cents...Tom
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Luke Fuller" <kungalooosh@...>
> To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 1:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Mickey Crimm
>
>
> >I no longer read his posts, as they do not interest me in the least.
> >
> > But, what messages I have read were about gambling - not human interest.
> > That's my vote.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:20 PM, George <glee4ever@...> wrote:
> >
> >> Vote whether you think it is about gambling or general
> >> human interest (of interest to the public at large).
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > vpFREE Links: http://www.west-point.org/users/usma1955/20228/V/Links.htm
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Mickey Crimm

 

A post about you

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 19, 2012, at 8:33 AM, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@yahoo.com> wrote:

> The post by Soltis, #121990, is an excellent take on what life is like for a machine pro. A lot of the analyzinig I do goes for naught. But every once in a while I find a gem. So I have to keep at it.
>
> A machine pro is not just in competition against the casinos. He/she is also in competition against other knowledgeable players. So when something is found you have to keep it to yourself as long as possible. All plays end sooner or later. I've seen more plays come and go than Carter has pills. It's just a routine part of machine pro life.
>
> The more knowledgeable a machine pro is the more he has a leg up on the competition. I've been studying machines for 16 years. I still am today. The knowledge and experience I gained from advantage slots of yesteryear makes it fairly easy for me analyze many of the new games that hit the casino floor today.
>
> I'll give away one current thing that I'm doing. Not long ago I learned that Michael Shackelford, the Wizard of Odds had deconstructed some video line games like Jackpot Party and Hexbreaker....and put it up on his site. So when I get a little spare time here and there, I'm over on his site studying his technique. I'm a sadly miserable mathematician compared to Shackelford. The process of analyzing the games is extremely complicated for me. So I've tried to soak it in in bits and pieces. I think that I will eventually get the entire process down.
>
> Why am I studying Jackpot Party and Hexbreaker, two negative EV games? Because I know that Shackelford's technique of deconstruction can be applied to video line game progressives. I've already started my own deconstruction of a new video line game that goes positive and has a hittable progressive jackpot bonus. This is the kind of stuff a guy has to do to stay a leg up on the competition.
>
>

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[vpFREE] Re: Mickey Crimm

 

The post by Soltis, #121990, is an excellent take on what life is like for a machine pro. A lot of the analyzinig I do goes for naught. But every once in a while I find a gem. So I have to keep at it.

A machine pro is not just in competition against the casinos. He/she is also in competition against other knowledgeable players. So when something is found you have to keep it to yourself as long as possible. All plays end sooner or later. I've seen more plays come and go than Carter has pills. It's just a routine part of machine pro life.

The more knowledgeable a machine pro is the more he has a leg up on the competition. I've been studying machines for 16 years. I still am today. The knowledge and experience I gained from advantage slots of yesteryear makes it fairly easy for me analyze many of the new games that hit the casino floor today.

I'll give away one current thing that I'm doing. Not long ago I learned that Michael Shackelford, the Wizard of Odds had deconstructed some video line games like Jackpot Party and Hexbreaker....and put it up on his site. So when I get a little spare time here and there, I'm over on his site studying his technique. I'm a sadly miserable mathematician compared to Shackelford. The process of analyzing the games is extremely complicated for me. So I've tried to soak it in in bits and pieces. I think that I will eventually get the entire process down.

Why am I studying Jackpot Party and Hexbreaker, two negative EV games? Because I know that Shackelford's technique of deconstruction can be applied to video line game progressives. I've already started my own deconstruction of a new video line game that goes positive and has a hittable progressive jackpot bonus. This is the kind of stuff a guy has to do to stay a leg up on the competition.

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[vpFREE] Vegas Values Report - 19 AUG 2012

 

Vegas Values Report - 19 AUG 2012

http://www.americancasinoguide.com/vegas-values/august-19-2012-vegas-values-report.html

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[vpFREE] Re: Mickey Crimm

 

I publish several books and due to the change in technology there is virtually no cost in production anymore except for sweat equity in actually writing the book. If the book starts gaining interest we then change over to a higher production model with a good marketing plan. If Mickey has it in him I think writing a book would be a wonderful idea.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "armchairpresident" <smellypuppy@...> wrote:
>
> Human interest is a potentially larger market, but very difficult to get traction in. Writing any book is usually a bad risk/return and should be done because that is what you want to do. I find Mickey's stories entertaining, but a book is a lot of effort unless you are an OCD writer in the first place.
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "George" <glee4ever@> wrote:
> >
> > I am trying to convince Mickey to write a book about his life
> > and all the anecdotes he has described.
> >
> > He thinks gambling books are a niche market and wonders
> > how big the market would be. I am trying to convince him
> > that his book would be a human interest story and that
> > gambling is just incidental.
> >
> > I told him I would query list members what they thought.
> >
> > Vote whether you think it is about gambling or general
> > human interest (of interest to the public at large).
> >
>

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