[vpFREE] RE: Full House vs Three Aces in 10/7 DB

 

Distant memories of the Queen writing that she holds the trip aces. Must have been 20 years ago.

Maybe a brain fart but could have sworn she admitted to this guilty pleasure which I partake of.



--- In vpfree@yahoogroups.com, <nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:

Sure, the occasional dopamine hit from quad aces feels like "fun", but the more likely outcome is burning $35 and the cortisol/stress hit that goes with that. So, the overall question is: does the rare dopamine hit from breaking aces full and drawing quad aces compensate for the frequent cortisol hits of missing the draw? As far as the Kelly system goes, it's just cold mathematics, you are either taking too much risk for your current bankroll or you are not. Of course "too much bankroll risk" is likely to end in a nasty bout of cortisol/stress/bankroll-shrinkage and not the final dopamine hit you were hoping for after all. Read "Fortune's Formula" if you want real life stories of what happens when Mr. Kelly's math is ignored.







--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

When I started playing 10/7 DB I had similar thoughts (although they were primarily focused on the risk tradeoff in holding 3A vs the sure win FH ... a nominal EV benefit with a significant risk increment).
Over time, however, I found that going for the $50 "sure win" didn't make much of a dent against the variance of the balance of the game.  Ultimately, I decided to just indulge in the thrill of the 3A draw, with greater satisfaction.


--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I'm sure for many players this is an obvious, no-brainer, one of the first rules you learned, sort of thing. You keep the Aces, duh...



But after having it come up more than a few times during practice with WinPoker on the iPad, I disagree (at least for many players).



Let's say you are playing 10/7 DB at the $1 level and your bankroll is ok but not extravagant for the game, with an additional 0.20% back in comps/cashback. And a guy sitting next to you offered you a game that returns 101.15% with a little over a third the variance with no comps/cashback but you have to play it at the $10 level.



The choice to keep three aces is agreeing to play a game at $50 a hand that returns 101.15% with variance of 10.



The choice to keep the full house is to choose to play your original game at $5 per hand, returning 100.3% or so (adding comps/cashback and deducting for errors) with variance of 28.



I don't claim to be able to do bankroll calculations in my head, but I think there are many people who would consider themselves sufficiently bankrolled for $5 a hand 10/7 DB returning 100.3% that would not consider themselves bankrolled for $50 a hand at 101.15%. I don't doubt some of you would jump at the chance to play $50 a hand 101.15% with variance 10 and would be right to do so. But many of us, myself included might wipe out their bankroll waiting for the long run to show up.

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: A triple double bonus question

 

Sorry: You are absolutely right by more than 1-1/2 coins.
I have not played this game in a long time but should have still remembered that!
I turned 63 today. I am getting old!

From: Albert Pearson <ehpee@rogers.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: A triple double bonus question
 
According to my numbers you even break (333kk) to go for the quad in TDB. 
 
Regards

A.P.
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Yes you keep the kicker to trip 2s, 3,s or 4s. I also think that in 9-7 TDB You break up a FH with low trips + a pair of kickers (EG: From 333AA hold 333A) but keep the FH intact if no kicker (EG: Hold all from 333KK.) ________________________________ From: Rod Carlon <mailto:vprod618%40yahoo.com> To: "mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: A triple double bonus question   thank you ________________________________ From: staninnv <mailto:staninnv%40yahoo.com> To: mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 7:24 PM Subject: [vpFREE] Re: A triple double bonus question   --- In mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com, <vprod618@...> wrote: > >      I know you hold AAA with a kicker, but do you hold for example 333, 444,222 with a kicker in this game?  My brain is not acting in a friendly manor right now..Thanks! ======================== Yes [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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[vpFREE] Re: Meet and Greet

 

Bob Dancer wrote:

> Paula asked: Will the Meet and Greet being held at Planet Hollywood on 9/22 be
> attended by any of the old Skip Hughes Group? It is sponsored by video
> poker.com.

> I haven't heard of such a meet and greet. Where may information about
> it be found?

http://www.videopoker.com/event/

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RE: [vpFREE] Re: Cheapstravaganza Trip Report - Live

 

Thats a bummer for sure.
 

To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: kypat@aol.com
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 21:25:37 -0400
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Cheapstravaganza Trip Report - Live

 
I hate it that he is leaving. No more reports for awhile.

Pat McCauley

On Sep 4, 2013, at 8:57 PM, ken orgera <keno60@hotmail.com> wrote:

 


I'll second that!! Very enjoyable, gets me excited about upcoming trips.
 

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From: adaxx13@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 18:11:10 -0400
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] Re: Cheapstravaganza Trip Report - Live

 
I also enjoy The Royal Flusher trip reports, he is entertaining as well as informative !

Sent from my iPad


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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Cheapstravaganza Trip Report - Live

 

I hate it that he is leaving. No more reports for awhile.

Pat McCauley

On Sep 4, 2013, at 8:57 PM, ken orgera <keno60@hotmail.com> wrote:

 

I'll second that!! Very enjoyable, gets me excited about upcoming trips.
 

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From: adaxx13@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 18:11:10 -0400
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I also enjoy The Royal Flusher trip reports, he is entertaining as well as informative !

Sent from my iPad

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RE: [vpFREE] Re: Cheapstravaganza Trip Report - Live

 

I'll second that!! Very enjoyable, gets me excited about upcoming trips.
 

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From: adaxx13@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 18:11:10 -0400
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] Re: Cheapstravaganza Trip Report - Live

 
I also enjoy The Royal Flusher trip reports, he is entertaining as well as informative !

Sent from my iPad

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RE: [vpFREE] Meet and Greet

 

Paula asked: Will the Meet and Greet being held at Planet Hollywood on 9/22 be attended by any of the old Skip Hughes Group? It is sponsored by video poker.com.


 

I haven't heard of such a meet and greet. Where may information about it be found?

Bob

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RE: [vpFREE] Re: Cheapstravaganza Trip Report - Live

 

I also enjoy The Royal Flusher trip reports, he is entertaining as well as informative !

Sent from my iPad

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RE: [vpFREE] Re: Cheapstravaganza Trip Report - Live

 

Royal Flusher is my 3rd favorite gambling writer behind only Bob Dancer and Jean Scott.

James Tompson


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From: vprod618@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 13:45:13 -0700
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Cheapstravaganza Trip Report - Live

 

Royal Flusher: I love your trip reports.  You have that certain flair for writing.  You write what a lot of us think and experience but don't have your entertaining prose.....Rod

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Cheapstravaganza Trip Report - Live

 

Royal Flusher: I love your trip reports.  You have that certain flair for writing.  You write what a lot of us think and experience but don't have your entertaining prose.....Rod

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: A triple double bonus question

 

According to my numbers you even break (333kk) to go for the quad in TDB. 
 
Regards


A.P.

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Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: A triple double bonus question
 
Yes you keep the kicker to trip 2s, 3,s or 4s. I also think that in 9-7 TDB You break up a FH with low trips + a pair of kickers (EG: From 333AA hold 333A) but keep the FH intact if no kicker (EG: Hold all from 333KK.)


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thank you

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--- In mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com, <vprod618@...> wrote:
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>      I know you hold AAA with a kicker, but do you hold for example 333, 444,222 with a kicker in this game?  My brain is not acting in a friendly manor right now..Thanks!
========================

Yes

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[vpFREE] RE: RE: RE: Full House vs Three Aces in 10/7 DB

 

noti, fwiw, the real crux of my post was that attempting to moderate the risk of 10/7 DB by holding FH over 3A is like trying to tame a house fire with a squirt gun ...

You can go ahead and delve into the bankroll math on this one if you want, but it's my guess that anyone who finds themselves sweating this particular hold and it's impact on overall volatility is likely over their head in playing the game in the first place.

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Sure, the occasional dopamine hit from quad aces feels like "fun", but the more likely outcome is burning $35 and the cortisol/stress hit that goes with that. So, the overall question is: does the rare dopamine hit from breaking aces full and drawing quad aces compensate for the frequent cortisol hits of missing the draw? As far as the Kelly system goes, it's just cold mathematics, you are either taking too much risk for your current bankroll or you are not. Of course "too much bankroll risk" is likely to end in a nasty bout of cortisol/stress/bankroll-shrinkage and not the final dopamine hit you were hoping for after all. Read "Fortune's Formula" if you want real life stories of what happens when Mr. Kelly's math is ignored.







--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

When I started playing 10/7 DB I had similar thoughts (although they were primarily focused on the risk tradeoff in holding 3A vs the sure win FH ... a nominal EV benefit with a significant risk increment).
Over time, however, I found that going for the $50 "sure win" didn't make much of a dent against the variance of the balance of the game.  Ultimately, I decided to just indulge in the thrill of the 3A draw, with greater satisfaction.


--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I'm sure for many players this is an obvious, no-brainer, one of the first rules you learned, sort of thing. You keep the Aces, duh...



But after having it come up more than a few times during practice with WinPoker on the iPad, I disagree (at least for many players).



Let's say you are playing 10/7 DB at the $1 level and your bankroll is ok but not extravagant for the game, with an additional 0.20% back in comps/cashback. And a guy sitting next to you offered you a game that returns 101.15% with a little over a third the variance with no comps/cashback but you have to play it at the $10 level.



The choice to keep three aces is agreeing to play a game at $50 a hand that returns 101.15% with variance of 10.



The choice to keep the full house is to choose to play your original game at $5 per hand, returning 100.3% or so (adding comps/cashback and deducting for errors) with variance of 28.



I don't claim to be able to do bankroll calculations in my head, but I think there are many people who would consider themselves sufficiently bankrolled for $5 a hand 10/7 DB returning 100.3% that would not consider themselves bankrolled for $50 a hand at 101.15%. I don't doubt some of you would jump at the chance to play $50 a hand 101.15% with variance 10 and would be right to do so. But many of us, myself included might wipe out their bankroll waiting for the long run to show up.

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