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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "dealt4oak" <dealt4oak@...> wrote:
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> Not sure why you wouldn't get it. I mostly play positive vp games with a little slot play on occasion and I get several of those bonus point days. Do you only play FP deuces? That is one of the games that would probably get you restricted.
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No. The great majority of my most recent play was on high denomination 8/5 Bonus Poker.
From the vpFREE FAQ:
"vpFREE believes that video poker games which are regulated
by respected gaming commissions are random and fair, and
that the ER of such games is a mathematical function of
their pay tables."
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I've deleted Frank Kneeland's "What Would It Take???" post on vpFREE
and re-posted it on FREEvpFREE.
Formulating the required parameters to mathematically prove, or disprove,
the randomness of video poker offerings is an interesting and important
subject, but it may not have widespread interest for vpFREE members and
it would likely prove to be disruptive.
So, please use FREEvpFREE for any further posts in this thread.
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vpFREE Administrator
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If there are any vp players who frequented Rincon when they had full
pay machines ( Been one week since massive downgrade of pay scheds)
and perhaps you want to know the "Genius" new marketing manager
responsible for it, his name is Darrel Pilant. His first official act
as the new manager was to INSIST the vp machines be hugely
downgraded. I've heard the Hosts there are getting bombarded with
complaints but this Mr. Pilant is deaf to any and all. If the
ploppies keep playing I suppose this guy will get a promotion...Alas!
rodinsocal
A question that seems to be on a lot of people's minds is, "Are VP machine fair and random?"
I answered this particular question to my own satisfaction in the mid 90's when I had access to the enormous sample of hands that being a team manager afforded me. I do not expect anyone to believe me or take it on faith, and I'm a strong supporter of skepticism and personal discovery, so...
It seems like every time someone, anyone, makes a comment about machines not being random or merely shares their beliefs and observations in forum, someone else (myself included) chimes in and points out that their math is flawed, their sample is too small, or their conclusion are wrong. What almost never seems to get discussed is what would be correct math, a large enough sample and a proper method for reaching a good conclusion.
No one is going to be able to do it the way I did, so how then???
I'd like to start this thread specifically for the purposes of discussing what it would take to prove that machines are not fair and random or visa versa as the case may be:
1. What should one record and how?
2. What is a large enough sample? (And how to parse the sample.)
3. What math should they use to dismiss chance as the cause of their results?
4. And perhaps most importantly how do they make the information meet the standard of the scientific method, with peer review and replication of results???
If #4 is not met any study done will only succeed in convincing the person doing the study.
What's been offered so far hasn't convinced anyone that wasn't already convinced and isn't likely to start convincing people anytime soon. What we need is a simple detailed template of the steps required that anyone can follow and prove it to themselves, one way or the other.
I can think of no better way to spend our time on a VP forum than working on this problem and resolving it once and for all.
And please note: There should be no need for argument in this thread about whether or not VP machines are fair and random. That would be a conclusion. This thread is not about conclusions, it's about how to formulate them.
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I've always found Bayesian Inference goes best with a nice Chianti or Barbera...of course I'm always adjusting that based on new information. ~FK
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rob.singer1111@yahoo.com" <rob.singer1111@...> wrote:
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> Harrahs can downgrade every paytable, they can close/reduce hours on and eliminate hot foods, and players will continue to flock to their machines and respond to their lucrative-sounding mailings & offers until their final day comes. Just look at the unequalled enthusiasm as certain players report on their experiences with the vpFREE gang. And the lure of seven stars status still means more to many than a healthy bank account.
Rob,
That definitely is the "undeniable truth" !:)
Larry F.
Not sure why you wouldn't get it. I mostly play positive vp games with a little slot play on occasion and I get several of those bonus point days. Do you only play FP deuces? That is one of the games that would probably get you restricted.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Vegasvpplayer <vegasvpplayer@...> wrote:
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> <<<and management reserves all
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> And they will rudely scream that in your face, if you ask why the multiplier advertised on the sign out front is not available to you on the kiosk. I think next time I'll scream back in their face, "We luv locals, not!"
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> Sent from my iPhone
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I meant the Las Vegas Club is a dump, not Nevada Club. My bad.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, dougalou <dougalou@...> wrote:
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> There's an old saying: "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"
> We prefer downtown over the strip.
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> In a message dated 03/16/12 12:37:01 Eastern Daylight Time, videopkrplayer writes:
> Downtown is fine. Its a nice change of pace for an evening to casino hop. You would actually have to go to fremont to make the conclusion for yourself if it is a dump. JMO its not a dump.
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Did not say Downtown was a dump, I said the Nevada Club was a dump, which it is.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "videopkrplayer" <Videopkrplayer@...> wrote:
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pumsparky" <dianalnagy@> wrote:
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> > Go straight Downtown and it is a dump. Coming from Caesars, it will be really a dump.
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> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "maclarenv12" <ahduff@> wrote:
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> > > Thank you. How much coin/pt @ Vegas Club.
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> > > Also, whats the best way to get there from Caesars?
> > > Thanks
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> Downtown is fine. Its a nice change of pace for an evening to casino hop. You would actually have to go to fremont to make the conclusion for yourself if it is a dump. JMO its not a dump.
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LVA Question of the Day - 17 MAR 2012
Q: With the Imperial Place closing what is the future of the
Auto Collection. I know many of the collectable cars have
already been sold off including the Dusenberg room.
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