Re: [vpFREE] Harrah's/Harvey's Lake Tahoe

 

Hi,
My husband and I just returned from Lake Tahoe and we were given a free room at Harvey's. This was our first time. Our room was above the tree line which afforded us a great view of the lake. They have 2 towers (I believe) at Harvey's. One is the Lake Tower and the other is the Mountain Tower. Our room was in the lake tower. We had a view of the town of South Lake Tahoe, the lake and mountains. Our room was spacious with a very nicely laid out bathroom. 2 sink areas, separate toilet area. The shower was great! We took a picture of the shower head so we can buy one for our shower at home. The pool was outside and the weather was chilly so we did not use it. The lake was very cold and I didn't see anyone in it. We drove up Lakeside and the scenery was beautiful. We had dinner at the top of Harvey's (19) and the food and service was very good. Great view from table. Also ate at American River Cafe at Harrah's and it was good. We had one breakfast and one lunch there. Standard coffee shop fare. We also tried Blue Dog Pizza and it was delicious. It was right down the street from Harrah's on the left. They have a tram and a movie theatre. Boat rides are available up the road at Zephyr Cove. They also have horse drawn carriage rides. Our entertainment was mostly gambling. We both lost.

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RE: [vpFREE] Harrah's/Harvey's Lake Tahoe

 

In a message dated 6/27/2012 9:25:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
public@soundmessage.com <mailto:public%40soundmessage.com> writes:

Caesars sent me an offer for 3 free nights, and I'm looking for a little
getaway from the Vegas heat.
Is there anything family friendly to do in Lake Tahoe (we have a 9 mo old)?

---What can a 9 month old really do? There is always family stuff but I think maybe at least 2 or 3 at a minimum age to be able to enjoy it? At least that's how I remember it and it wasn't that long ago for mine! LOL.

Scot

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[vpFREE] Re: Advantage Play

 

Iguana,

Does "harvesting government handouts" mean obtaining assistance like unemployment or food stamps legally or by fraud. My first impression of your post is that they are not legally entitled to these government handouts. Are they just frugal or are most of them just criminals?

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:
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> With all due respect, maybe true for quarter FPDW, but even there you still need a couple grand to get started and you can't be making many mistakes and you need to grind out a million or so hands per year depending on your expenses. Most professional quarter FPDW players I know are the extremely frugal type, using a PO box, getting around on public transit, wearing casino swag, and harvesting as many government handouts as possible.
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> > > I am still amused at the number of members that don't understand that making money in a casino requires effort, a silent mouth, and a large bankroll. Knowledge by itself only leads to theory not results.
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> > With all due respect it takes none of these to profitably play a game like FPDW as I have for decades.
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Re: [vpFREE] Harrah's/Harvey's Lake Tahoe

 

hmmmmm..

lots of hiking...

boat ride around the lake..

it's beautiful there :)


In a message dated 6/27/2012 9:25:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
public@soundmessage.com writes:

Caesars sent me an offer for 3 free nights, and I'm looking for a little
getaway from the Vegas heat.

I've never been to Tahoe.

Is there a consensus in terms of a preference towards one of these two
properties?

Is there anything family friendly to do in Lake Tahoe (we have a 9 mo old)?

Cheers.

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[vpFREE] Harrah's/Harvey's Lake Tahoe

 

Caesars sent me an offer for 3 free nights, and I'm looking for a little getaway from the Vegas heat.

I've never been to Tahoe.

Is there a consensus in terms of a preference towards one of these two properties?

Is there anything family friendly to do in Lake Tahoe (we have a 9 mo old)?

Cheers.

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[vpFREE] Re: ADVANTAGE SLOTS

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
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> TEMPERATURE'S RISING - So we'll use a two-coin dollar IGT Ten Times Pay machine with a temperature gauge on it. Move the gauge up to 600 degrees and you get a 100 coin bonus. On a 90% machine the math would look like this:
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> 100/600 = 16.67% of payback is in the bonus.
> 90% minus 16.67% = 73.3% of payback is in line pays.
> 16.67% + 73.3% = 90%
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While out working today I had an epiphany. I think I caught myself in a 15 year math mistake. The mistake was in my favor though but it probably cost me some plays. I think I overestimated the cost of spinning off those Temperature's Risings. The 100 coin bonus here is coin-out too. So I think I should have added the 600 plus 100 then divided 100 by 700 to get the payback percentage of the bonus. I'm pretty good at math but I damn sure ain't no Michael Shackelford. Oh, well. To late now. It's been 5 years since I played a Termperature's Rising.

Time for a story. This was sometime about 2000 or 2001. I had a friend, an ex-cab driver in Vegas, who played the advantage slots. He had to go to Denver to settle a traffic case. He told me he would be back in a week. It was 6 weeks before he got back. I thought he went to jail. But he had a different story to tell. While settling his case he went up to Blackhawk to see if there were any advantage slots. He walked in the door of a casino and slot techs were installing 6 dollar Temmperature's Rising's with 100 coin bonuses.

He had them all to himself. No other hustler's around. The ploppies gave the new machines lots of action. He knocked them for $50,000. In those small houses in Blackhawk that's really cutting into a casino's bottom line. They finally got wise and knocked the bonuses down.

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Advantage Play

 

With all due respect, maybe true for quarter FPDW, but even there you still need a couple grand to get started and you can't be making many mistakes and you need to grind out a million or so hands per year depending on your expenses. Most professional quarter FPDW players I know are the extremely frugal type, using a PO box, getting around on public transit, wearing casino swag, and harvesting as many government handouts as possible.

What a great description of the average professional VP player ! I do count some of them as friends and they do have a life outside of VP.

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To: vpFREE <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Advantage Play

With all due respect, maybe true for quarter FPDW, but even there you still need a couple grand to get started and you can't be making many mistakes and you need to grind out a million or so hands per year depending on your expenses. Most professional quarter FPDW players I know are the extremely frugal type, using a PO box, getting around on public transit, wearing casino swag, and harvesting as many government handouts as possible.

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> With all due respect it takes none of these to profitably play a game like FPDW as I have for decades.
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[vpFREE] Re: Advantage Play

 

With all due respect, maybe true for quarter FPDW, but even there you still need a couple grand to get started and you can't be making many mistakes and you need to grind out a million or so hands per year depending on your expenses. Most professional quarter FPDW players I know are the extremely frugal type, using a PO box, getting around on public transit, wearing casino swag, and harvesting as many government handouts as possible.

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> > I am still amused at the number of members that don't understand that making money in a casino requires effort, a silent mouth, and a large bankroll. Knowledge by itself only leads to theory not results.
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> With all due respect it takes none of these to profitably play a game like FPDW as I have for decades.
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[vpFREE] LVRJ: Personalized video poker on tap

 

LVRJ: Personalized video poker on tap

http://www.lvrj.com/business/have-it-your-way-personalized-video-poker-on-tap-160420805.html

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http://tinyurl.com/crwrhgr

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[vpFREE] Re: Vegas Revenge - Part 2 the Sequel 3: Avenged

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Royal Flusher <royalflusher@...> wrote:
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> Monday June 26 update - I take a VP ass reaming.
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> http://www.royalflushervegas.com/2012/06/thousand-points-of-dark.html
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> > http://www.royalflushervegas.com/2012/06/you-gotta-know-when-they-hold-em.html
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I wonder if you got any decent hits on the Score 4 cards at MSS. I've heard they are now over 95% $2.

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[vpFREE] Re: LVRJ: Reno's Boomtown Casino changes hands, but keeps its name

 



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> LVRJ: Reno's Boomtown Casino changes hands, but keeps its name
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That place has a strange, empty feeling to it. It was built to be so much more that it is.
But as long as they keep the FPDW you will keep seeing me there!

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[vpFREE] Re: Advantage Play

 



--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "GilbertA" <gilrus47@...> wrote:
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> I am still amused at the number of members that don't understand that making money in a casino requires effort, a silent mouth, and a large bankroll. Knowledge by itself only leads to theory not results.
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With all due respect it takes none of these to profitably play a game like FPDW as I have for decades.

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[vpFREE] Re: ADVANTAGE SLOTS

 

TEMPERATURE'S RISING - From the IGT Vision Series. This game is based on coin-out, not coin-in. The LED screen will have a temperature gauge on it. Hit a line pay for 5 coins and the temperature on the gauge will go up 5 degrees. Hit for 10 coins and the gauge will go up 10 degrees, hit for 100 coins and the gauge will go up 100 degrees, etc.

So we'll use a two-coin dollar IGT Ten Times Pay machine with a temperature gauge on it. Move the gauge up to 600 degrees and you get a 100 coin bonus. On a 90% machine the math would look like this:

100/600 = 16.67% of payback is in the bonus.
90% minus 16.67% = 73.3% of payback is in line pays.
16.67% + 73.3% = 90%

The 90% holds up because of one feature of the machine. Let's say you got real lucky, caught lighting in a bottle by catching the top line pay, 10X-10X-10X, betting two coins. You look down and the payscale says it pays 10,000 coins. You are actually going to get paid at least 11,600 coins because the temperature gauge will wrap around at least 16 times, maybe 17 times depending on where the temperature was at when you caught the top line pay, so you collect all those 100 coin bonuses too. This is true of the lesser pays too. Any time you wrap the gauge around you get those multiple 100 coin bonuses.

So let's see if we can find the breakeven point. The easy way for me is to figure the cost of each one-coin spin. In this case it's 1 minus .733 = 26.7 cents to put 1 degree in the temperature gauge. The cost to put 375 degrees in the temperature gauge would be right at $100.

600 minus 375 = a breakeven point of 225 degrees in the temperature gauge. But there is no way I would play the machine on that low a number. I'm breaking even if I don't pull the money out of my pocket-and a Ten Times Pay machine has a ton of variance. No, I would play it with about 400 degrees already in the gauge. The average cost would be about $53 to chase a $100 bonus. My time has to be worth something.

Unless there is a big chop on the payscale I spin these plays off one coin at a time to get into the long run on the line pays twice as fast.

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[vpFREE] Re: ADVANTAGE SLOTS

 

MYSTERY BONUS - I got carried away with telling stories here instead of showing the approximate math of Mystery Bonus, plus a few other things.

"Watch For" phase = 450 coin-in
"Coming Soon" phase = Average 100 coin-in.
Average "Mystery Bonus" = 75 coins.
75/550 = 13.6%
90% minus 13.6% = 76.4%

At the Ramada, when I found the LED screen of this particular Mystery Bonus machine flashing the red "Coming Soon", I knew I had a big overlay through collecting the Mystery Bonus because I could eliminate the 450 coin-in from the "Watch For" phase.

I never knew how many coin-in into the Coming Soon phase that the prior player made unless I was sitting there watching. But let's assume the last spin the prior player made tripped it into Coming Soon. The math would look like this:

"Coming Soon" phase - Average 100 coin-in.
Average "Mystery Bonus" = 75 coins.
75/100 = 75%
Line Pays = 76.4%
75% plus 76.4% = 151.4%.

If there are still any of these machines around one cannot just assume because it's flashing the red "Coming Soon" that you have an advantage. You have to do your homework. For instance, in the case above, what if it was just the opposite, 100 coin-in in the green "Watch For" phase, and an average 450 coin-in in the red "Coming Soon" phase?" In this case you would have to count down a ploppie while they played and hope they left a play.

If you were to find one of these machines somewhere how would you figure out the math without costing yourself a bunch of money? I did it by counting down ploppies while they played. The "Watch For" phase is easy because there is always an exact number of coin-in to put it into the "Coming Soon" phase.

The "Coming Soon" phase requires a little more effort. I did it by counting down ploppies as they played and recording the stats.

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