[vpFREE] Breakawy gambling comps

 



As I stated, I just can't stop myself from gambling on cruise ships, I get bored easily on sea days and those machines are so damn convenient! I did manage to play some blackjack, best game on ship. VP again very bad on one machine with zero quads in 2 hours single line, another machine had quads but I broke even. Played QuikPics type slot and won money, played another penny slot far too long that sucked all my money.

Played total of about 4500 points on ship, just shy of there 5000 point level for first Gold tier. Points are good for a year. 1500 points gets you free drinks in casino, 2500 points gets you comps instead of free play for your points, 100 points equals $1 free play. Once you hit 2500 points go to the host end of trip to get comps taken off your account, but also start asking for additional comps during cruise such as free dinners and they will make reservations for specialty restaurants. They also may send u chocolates or wine or other goodies to your room at no charge, I don't know when they do this.

At 2500 points they will give you more room credit than the free play option, so don't do the free play until the end of trip when u have your point total.

Strangely on this ship they told me they had automatically comped "invited guests" (I guess the Harrahs people) with credits for their play based on play the night before last day. I had about 4000 points at that point which would have been $40 in free play. They instead gave me a room credit of $200 on bill. They told me my extra 500 points would go over to next cruise or I could do free play, I would have preferred to get the 5x comps versus free play option but they gave me no choice. Fortunately I have 3 more NCL cruises booked this year.

Anyone told they would have spa or other charges removed should double check their final bill. They may have just stuck on another credit rather than actually removing a charge as they did for me.

I heard of only one big jackpot on ship, but there may have been more. People I talked to were all losing and many people taking advances on room credit to get extra money to play which was far to easy to do (yep me too, though I limited myself to $1000 extra). No 3% charge, so it was credited like a normal ship bill, not a cash advance.

A smart player I know took $3000 a day advance, cashed out without playing, didn't play at all. And ended up with the cash and a huge VIsa or MC bill, to give themselves all those extra frequent flyer or whatever points. Then would pay off the bill with the cash within 30 days, so no extra credit card charges, but got those extra points. You are supposed to declare anything over $10000 brought back to US though, so not sure exactly how this worked. Presumably you could pay off the $3000 each day, but Im not sure that NCL charges your MasterCard until the end of the cruise. Guess u could do this just s couple of times and take cash home without hitting $10000 and customs questions, especially if u are traveling with a significant other.

Anyway seemed like the slots and VP were extremely bad on ship.

Fortunately I won back what I lost on ship at Philadelphia Harrahs on the way home, but that is Another story for another post.
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[vpFREE] Longer Breakaway report

 

As submitted to Cruise critics, so this doesn't talk about Harrahs or gambling much--

Breakaway has a strange system to try to save on electricity. In the room next to the door is a slot to put your room key in. The electric and lights in room and AC won't run unless there is a card in the slot. Due to complaints, dummy cards are showing up, possibly you can get one if you ask at the front desk. A slot club card works perfectly as a dummy card to leave when u leave room. But some stewards are still removing dummy cards, sometimes leaving them, sometimes confiscating them, so don't put an important card in the slot. Our handicapped room had a dummy card when we arrived, perhaps because they realized u would need it to charge scooters or open the electric door, it stayed in the whole time.

More complaints over time may make the ship stop using this system.

There is no letter explaining this when u enter the room.

Also, your balcony door must be closed and in the locked position or the AC won't work. Again, no note of explanation. We thought our AC was broken until we asked housekeeping.

Handicapped rooms and bathrooms have electric doors, which is useful. Make sure to use them, don't just pull the door open or shut or you could break the lock. Wait for door to close and make sure it is fully closed. Door also closes automatically after button is pushed to open door.

In public handicapped bathrooms, after making sure door actually closes all the way (many don't), press button to turn on red light to lock door. I saw several people using these who didn't know how to lock door, and they were revealed when door opened by pushing button on outside. Turn off red light to unlock, then press button to open door.

NCL needs a letter of explanation for these items left in every room.

----HANDICAPPED people on scooters and wheelchairs will find corridors by cabins EXTREMELY narrow, worse than on any ship. When cleaning carts are in the hallways, which they are for hours, you literally cannot get by them with a scooter or wheelchair. Even people walking may have to walk sidewise to squeeze by. Housekeeping staff will gladly move them out of the way, but it is annoying for u and them. Whoever designed this was an idiot! If there ever was an emergency with carts in the hall, ther would be a problem for handicappers and able bodied. There are also large bags of dirty bedding in the hall. The carts and bags are also very heavy, you probably cannot push them out if the way yourself if you are sitting in a scooter or wheelchair. I was totally stuck twice with no stewards in sight, and had to yell out HELP HELP and it was slow to come. The least NCL could do is warn you when u book a handicapped room.

I thoug NCL should leave a letter explaining features of handicapped rooms and also apologize for the inconvenience of the bad hallway design.

The good news was that people onboard were extremely polite and I had no trouble getting on or off elevators with scooter or on and off ship. If u need a wheelchair for embarkation and debarkation contact cruise staff before getting to entry.

Scooters and chairs must go into rooms. Handicapped rooms are fine. But they probably won't fit in regular rooms. A friend had scooter in regular room and tried to park by elevator to charge and crewmen kept taking it away to a storage facility on another floor. This was EXTREMELY inconvenient. They tried to say it was a safety issue, but the safety part was those darn cleaning carts in the hall!

We had aft cabin which was very large and had large balcony. Scooting to it around some narrow odd corners was tricky but doable. No couch in it, but did have nice lounge chair inside. Balcony had 2 loungers and 3 chairs, table, plenty of room for a wheelchair, apparently much larger than most balconies on ship. Also wheelchair ramp to balcony.

Some parts of ship were strange obstacle course for scooter-bound, you could ride around the outside decks, but doorways might have chairs blocking or lounge chairs blocking, which could be moved unless u were totally immobile. It became a fun challenge to get by some of the corners and chairs.

Scooting into a show was good because u always had a seat, even when show was full. breakaway Theater handicapped entrance was on 7th floor, leaving u at top of theater with not many seats. Arrive early. A hidden handicapped entrance was on 6th floor, near library and down a long corridor with heavy door at end and little signage. Even front desk did not know of it, but it was on 6th floor map near elevator. I didn't see anyone using it. I'd already seen shows when I found it, so just saw it did exist. Not sure how much chair parking space there is if u try it. No NCL personnel at that door.

Bringing electrical strip helpful if charging a scooter or anything else on any vessel.

Also u could not get to 17th floor at all with wheelchair, except maybe on one end in hidden crew elevator if u asked for assistance in advance of going. No access at all to 18.

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I FROZE in many parts of ship. I get cold easily and some parts of ship had to be well under 72 degrees, maybe in 60s. I wore a sweater over long sleeved blouse and had to buy a sweatshirt to put on too -- 3 layers helped but still cold in some restaurants and corridors. My husband likes cold, so was happy, as was a friend. But I overheard comments by other travelers who also were frozen. If u get cold in restaurants, bring winter clothes for inside this vessel. I've been on other NCL vessels I thought were too cold, but this was ridiculous.

One crew member said they did this to kill germs. If so, NCL is deluded. You can't kill or slow down probably bacteria unless u get below 32 F (freezing). At 65 degrees u just freeze the passengers.

If u agree with me, please complain to front desk. I complained and they claimed one ever complained. I grabbed two random women walking by and asked them in front of desk if ship was too cold, and sure enough ine was wearing a sweater over summer wear and agreed. I noticed after that some of the worse areas got slightly better, so I was able to wear two layers instead of 3!
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Overall ship was very nice, but had some peculiarities. I loved BREAK THE FLOOR dance show. Best show I've seen in 22 or so cruises. Dancers extremely good and professional. They also show up in Manhattan Room for odd 1/2 show -- but u pretty much need to be in there in the front earing to see them properly. Some people not into musicals so much did t like it as well as I did,but it was really great. Rock of Ages was really ADULT, more than I expected from comments here. Story extremely silly, but music and performers very good. Second City good, but isn't NCL overdoing it with them on all ships doing same sort of stuff? I love improv but they did many shows on this cruise, Slam Allen Blues show absolutely terrific if u love music. Fire and Ice a decent duo. Pianist extremely good and does good music trivia too.
NCL continues to get cheaper with food quality declining, even in specialty restaurants. Food good but choices fewer than ever in main dining rooms, menu seemed the same to me in Taste/Savor and Manhattan rooms, Freestyle Cruising is anything but anymore if u don't eat st buffet. Plan to make reservations even for free dining.
Speaking of reservations, specialty and shows book up fast. Book online prior to trip if possible. Once onboard use Norweigan Conceigre app now on iPad/pod/phone, also in your stateroom, or on some screens around ship to avoid long lines to make reservations first day of trip, We booked all our stuff before or using app on first day for whole week, even free sits own dinners at Manhattan. Very easy to use Norweigan Conceigre app if working. P.S. I do not like having to book all my show tix in advance.
Seemed like main shows were not as available on some ships. Some shows not running on some days. Comedy magician very good, but only on last two days. Very few early shows. Why not have afternoon performances on sea days? Odd. second city does about 3-4 different shows, if u book before cruise u don't know which one u are booking. Also they don't let u go twice to same show, which was annoying because I loved the Break the Floor show enough to see it twice.

I had no problem with smokiness of casino this trip. Much better than the Epic, also arrangement of slots much better to prevent blocking of main aisle by onlookers than Epic. (note, we hated Epic)

Rooms had lots of closet space, big bathrooms. Handicapped shower worked well -- no water leaking out of shower. Strangely handicapped bathroom had no shelves, but regular room bathrooms had large amount of shelf space..

Lifejackets were hidden under bed -- no sign or anyone telling us this. Might be hard to reach if u were handicapped. Drill was silly, not very safetly conscious since they said don't bring jackets, and u could hardly hear instructions, which were perfunctory. Pray for no emergencies on this ship.

Ship does have library, card room, some quiet places to sit and lounge. Waterfront area very nice to walk around or sit, unless there is cold or bad weather. Some events in Atrium we're packed, like Deal or No Deal (which was actually an opportunity to sell u a gambling card with bad odds) -- these should have been in BreakWay Theater during sea day, which would have given people more to do on sea days. Most "activities" we're actually opportunities for ship to try to sell u something -- foot workshop to sell u arch supports u probably don't need, facial workshop to sell u spa products, watch informtionals to sell watches. More activities during day really needed, especially for those that have cruised before, which actually is a large number of people. NCL seems to love getting u back on their ships again, but couldn't they provide some more stuff for those who do so (like why so many 2nd city shows, and Howling st Moon piano on several ships, and so many 'let's sell u stuff seminars" without other stuff going on)?
Movies on big s screen in Atrium very nice -- the screen and picture quality very good, but sometimes loud.

Gambling slots very 'tight', no one hitting jackpots, rake on poker bad, video poker bad pay tables, Bingo payouts truly awful, again, NCL being cheap.
Service slow in main dining room, and specialty restaurants, generally declining, with few servers stopping to give u their names or where they are from, like on other ships. More "pay" shops for food than ever. Why pay for gelato or sweets or sushi, but some people do. Best pay outlet -- noodle bar apparently. Now NCL has an UNlimited Beverage Packsge, I believe $49 per day or thereabouts. Good deal if u drink a lot. Covers soda, juices, wine under $8 a glass (no bottles), most mixed drinks and shots except premium. by the way I loved the Tutti Fruiti Smoothie, with or without booze.
One good thing, the ship was good t apologizing for problems, sending out cheap wine and chocolate covered strawberries or refunds, we had problem with aft room hearing Spice H2o parties even though we were on 12th floor and it was 15. First couple of nights were bearable but not too bad but then big party was bad, so I complained, they phoned to say DJ would turn down sound next nig, but he didn't, I complained again and got $200 room credit. Friend had bugs in room on aft 11th(they also could hear base from Spice but didn't complain). They got wine and exterminator and apology. Also had problem with a NCL tour when driver took a walker and left it behind (it was found and returned next day -- annoying but not fatal). They discounted 1/3 of price for 2 people who were involved. Crew seemed eager to fix problems that were fixable (except temperature).
Good things in Bermuda of note -- Horseshoe Bay, tour of island, aquarium, caves.
Shopping on ship -- best bargain watches as usual. Bottled liquor prices continue to go up, making bargains not as easy to find as in past. We bought two bottles single malt scotch, but at home comparison shopped on Internet and found them overpriced. Cigarettes very cheap still. Prices of alcoholic drinks continue to go up. Soda and that Unlimited Beverage Package don't include canned soda or bottled water. Best bet is have your own bottle and fill with water or juice at buffet.

I have forgotten to mention the buffet, which continues to decline in quality I think from other cruise lines. Desert selections are the worst, except for ice cream. Food in 24 hr cafe is very good though. Free dinner selections are mostly the same night after night, and no more cold soup on the menu. Thought the salmon not as good as on other NCL ships. Room service menu also seemed to have fewer choices, and what is with the $5 pizza delivery charge anyway when they have it on the buffet for lunch.
Though I'm listing a lot of complaints, I did like the Breakaway a lot more than the Epic. But NCL definitely could provide more programming during the day that isn't just a sales pitch, could think about handicapped passengers when designing ships, could check the temperatures in public areas to keep them at "room temperature" which is at least 72 degrees, and think more about passengers who have been on more than one NCL voyage.
Also, I personally do not like the two class system which is developing on NCL with the Haven rooms. These people do pay more, sometimes a LOT more, but actually seem to be getting more of what everyone used to get -- better service, better food in the Haven dining room, and more lounge chairs to Lou ge around their own less crowded pool. The majority of NCL passengers are not Haven members, and now we are becoming truly second class citizens. Also Haven members are getting new perks such as front row seats at shows, first entry into shows including ones like the Cirque. Annoying.
Final comment, the Cirque show -- not as good as the one on Epic I thought, but costumes spectacular, major problem was the tables which are perpendicular to stage. If u are in the last couple seats at some tables. Such as I was, u have to crane your neck and have obstructed view. The show's cost is now $39.95 for everyone, no two tier price structure. I think the best seats probably are the ones in booths in the back since they are up slightly, unless u get the first seats at the table. The view ai had was so annoying and obstructed I did not enjoy the show at all, and asked for a refund, which surprisingly they gave without hesitation (they really take complaints seriously). A little boy behind me probably couldn't see very much at all! You can pay $20 extra for the best seats in the house, but this all seemed a bit pricey for 1 hour show, probably worth it unless u already had seen Epic show though. Still the layout of seats was a major design flaw. Why didn't they build the stage higher? Also, we were among the first five people in line, arriving nearly an hour early to get good seats, only to discover when we got inside that a whole bunch of people had been let in even earlier through some hidden entrance because they were Haven members or knew someone or in suites or whatever. Two class system again, even when we were paying for a specialty show. I found surf and turf (shrimp and steak) meal decidedly mediocrem though others loved the steak. It also was extremely annoying to try to watch show and eat. We had arrived early as I said, and brought wine. Yet waitress didn't serve it or drinks until show had started, and kept interrupting show for me by asking to taste wine, how was food, pass a plate to someone. They should serve all the food except desert prior to show, or forget the food entirely in my opinion.

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[vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 13 AUG 2013

 

The hourly loss on $1 9/6 DDB is ~$30/hour (If a tweaker than double).
The hourly loss on $1 FPJB is ~$15/hour.

Tough to come out a winner over the long run.
Even harder considering most do not play perfectly for # of reasons.

Know several 9/6 DDB $1 players are receiving fp offers approaching $1K from Caesar vegas properties. FPJB players much less.

Gamblers can avoid tripping on shoelaces by wearing loafers.

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> I imagine Bob is accurate when he labels his statement a "theory" (I'll paraphrase that statement here: "The surest means to a profitable vp career is to consistently play with an advantage and, when you play, to play the strongest EV opportunity that is supported by your bankroll")
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> But to me, that's like saying if you never tie your shoelaces, you'll very likely trip over them and stumble. In both instances, the suggested connection seems fairly obvious, and not subject to debate (except, in the original instance, by those who reject basic statistics, in which case there's no real basis for debate ... one party believes play to be driven by statistical principals; the other doesn't -- end of story).
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> Still a player who opts for an inferior game (say 9/7 db or 9/6 ddb vs 9/6 jb) rarely argues that a ER sacrifice isn't involved. They just deem any such sacrifice nominal ("they're still playing a good game") and more than compensated in play enjoyment.
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> I'm satisfied that players reasonably gravitate to the games that will yield the greatest satisfaction. However, I'm convinced that the majority of such "inferior EV" seekers haven't really scratched out what their choices may sacrifie in a year's time, and longer. A skilled $1 player may be leaving as much as $25+/hr "expectation" on the table in playing 9/6 ddb vs jacks, accumulating to $10k+ annually for a strongly active
> player.
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> When the play is going strong, that "hit" might not be felt too badly. But when luck
> sours, the absence of that cumulative cushion will be noticable.
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[vpFREE] Breakaway electric system & handicapped doors

 

Breakaway has a strange system to try to save on electricity. In the room next to the door is a slot to put your room key in. The electric and lights in room and AC won't run unless there is a card in the slot. Due to complaints, dummy cards are showing up, possibly you can get one if you ask at the front desk. A slot club card works perfectly as a dummy card to leave when u leave room. But some stewards are still removing dummy cards, sometimes leaving them, sometimes confiscating them, so don't put an important card in the slot. Our handicapped room had a dummy card when we arrived, perhaps because they realized u would need it to charge scooters or open the electric door, it stayed in the whole time.

More complaints over time may make the ship stop using this system.

There is no letter explaining this when u enter the room.

Also, your balcony door must be closed and in the locked position or the AC won't work. Again, no note of explanation. We thought our AC was broken until we asked housekeeping.

Handicapped rooms and bathrooms have electric doors, which is useful. Make sure to use them, don't just pull the door open or shut or you could break the lock. Wait for door to close and make sure it is fully closed. Door also closes automatically after button is pushed to open door.

In public handicapped bathrooms, after making sure door actually closes all the way (many don't), press button to turn on red light to lock door. I saw several people using these who didn't know how to lock door, and they were revealed when door opened by pushing button on outside.

NCL needs a letter of explanation for these items left in every room.

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[vpFREE] Breakaway dress code/packing and seasickness

 


There seemed to be no enforcement this trip except maybe Cagneys. If concerned, just pack any sort of long pants, even jeans, and a tshirt or one collared shirt (doesn't need to be a dress shirt) and that should do it for any NCL. Some people still dress up for photos, but not much anymore on these ships.

But if you ever get cold in a restaurant, bring a sweater and maybe two sweaters. As I said, I had to buy a sweatshirt and wore it over a long sleeved blouse, then put a sweater on top and I was still cold in some areas of Breakaway on first few days. I complained at service and was told "no one ever complains about the temperature.". Had to be a bald-faced lie since I overheard in passing other people complaint, saw sweaters and shawls on some, especially women who seem to get colder than men, and saw plenty of people with arms crossed, hugging themselves, a sure sign people were cold. I may be more sensitive than some, but truly it was cold. After complaint I noticed they warmed up some of the worst areas -- a little -- and after that I went with 2 layers and froze a bit less. Other NCL vessels had me wearing a sweater, but none were as cold as this one.

Also even in mid summer on any cruise, it can get chilly if u go outside when vessel is moving at high speed, especially at night or if rainy, even in Caribbean.

Advice to live by when traveling though, pack lightly. You can even wear the same outfit for several days and no one will care. If you like bar soap and good quality shampoo and conditioner, bring your own. NCL provides liquid soap and shampoo only.

An extension cord is useful if you have electronics to charge on any NCL.

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Breakaway was remarkably smooth this trip, but CruiseCritic reports show ocean conditions can be variable, and some voyages were rocky. So anyone susceptible should bring sea sickness pills or patch. If you have never been at sea, take along a package or two of Dramamine as precaution. First sign to take meds is slight dizziness, possible headache. Next bad sign is sweating, wooziness. Then comes the actual nausea feeling. Good remedies are going outside for fresh air, eating salty crackers, avoid staring out windows, and lying down.

I am quite susceptible, and get the first symptoms sometimes in dock with the ship moving ever so slightly. I start out the trip with half a pill, then take a full one as necessary. Even in high seas the pills do the trick. After a couple of days I get my sea legs and take fewer or no pills. But then when I get on land I get 'landsick' for several days, since my body is very slightly moving to compensate for non-existent sea motion.

Breakaway and most modern ships have very good stabilizers which help make most motion problems a thing of the past.

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[vpFREE] Cheapstravaganza pre-trip planning

 

Hi everyone. I have a trip coming up and I've been doing all the planning
stuff.

Sorry if I posted too many links on previous trips - somebody here didn't
like it much, so I'll try to keep that to a minimum this time out.

Here's something to get you started.

http://www.royalflushervegas.com/2013/07/20th-anniversary-cheapstravaganza-vegas.html

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Re: [vpFREE] Southpoint/M Resort

 

lhbarber wrote:

>Does the Southpoint still have NSU ? What the best deuce game at the M ?
>Thanks

Yes, as of a month or so ago, for the South Point.

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[vpFREE] Re: Breakaway Cruise - Attire Q's

 

Without intending to be stuffy, I'd suggest that it's best to focus on "suggested wear" as opposed to what you can get away with (I'm not assuming your taking either tack ... Just reacting to other posts)

As someone wrote, for dinner, a collared polo and pair of khakhis (or similar, e.g. Dockers, but not jeans) is acceptable in the dining rooms and specialty restaurants, along with a decent pair of casual shoes (e.g. Loafers, deck shoes, etc, but not tennis shoes). Anything pretty much goes at other times, and at all times in the buffet.

As noted, there's limited enforcement. However, a friend reports being turned away from the dining room one night. (Not sure what the "violation" was ... He's not sloppy.) He changed and returned.

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> How strict are they in enforcing their dining attire policy?
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> I tend to pack rather light and I'd prefer to avoid bringing dress shoes, long pants, button-down shirts, etc if I didn't have to. However, I also don't want to be refused service due to improper attire.
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[vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 13 AUG 2013

 

I imagine Bob is accurate when he labels his statement a "theory" (I'll paraphrase that statement here: "The surest means to a profitable vp career is to consistently play with an advantage and, when you play, to play the strongest EV opportunity that is supported by your bankroll")

But to me, that's like saying if you never tie your shoelaces, you'll very likely trip over them and stumble. In both instances, the suggested connection seems fairly obvious, and not subject to debate (except, in the original instance, by those who reject basic statistics, in which case there's no real basis for debate ... one party believes play to be driven by statistical principals; the other doesn't -- end of story).

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Still a player who opts for an inferior game (say 9/7 db or 9/6 ddb vs 9/6 jb) rarely argues that a ER sacrifice isn't involved. They just deem any such sacrifice nominal ("they're still playing a good game") and more than compensated in play enjoyment.

I'm satisfied that players reasonably gravitate to the games that will yield the greatest satisfaction. However, I'm convinced that the majority of such "inferior EV" seekers haven't really scratched out what their choices may sacrifie in a year's time, and longer. A skilled $1 player may be leaving as much as $25+/hr "expectation" on the table in playing 9/6 ddb vs jacks, accumulating to $10k+ annually for a strongly active
player.

When the play is going strong, that "hit" might not be felt too badly. But when luck
sours, the absence of that cumulative cushion will be noticable.

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[vpFREE] Re: Southpoint/M Resort

 

Sorry that was supposed to be NSU

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