Re: [vpFREE] Why Trying to Understand Randomness is Not a Good Idea

 

Thank you for posting that, Frank. Really enjoyed it.

It seems that if more people could approach video poker as entertainment rather than something they try to have control over in some inconsistent fashion, then we wouldn't have to worry about trying to understand what it is made up of: randomness.
Since we can't anyway, as you so aptly and cleverly pointed out.

Valerie

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[vpFREE] Why Trying to Understand Randomness is Not a Good Idea

 

I posted this on another forum thought you all might like it.

The Only Way to Win and the Unclimbable Mountain

If I offered you 98 cents in exchange for a dollar you would likely refuse the wager, yet this is exactly the type of exchange that most casino patrons accept every day. There is no functional difference between handing the casino a dollar and getting back 95 cents and a dollar wager made on roulette, yet one is accepted and the other is rejected. Why is this? It's because one situation contains a random element and the other does not, making the two nearly identical situations seem very different in our minds. We humans simply aren't very good at quantifying randomness. Here are the three main issues that address this particular human failing.

1.There are many cognitive biases which make the accurate in-head evaluation of random events impossible for anyone. It is not a mental deviation to which some rare gifted individuals are immune. It is a ubiquitous human trait we all share. People who follow the math appear to have limited immunity; they do not. What they have is a workaround (more on this later).

2.If people apply different logic to identical situations they will often come to different conclusions, as happens in gambling situations. The only way to resolve something like this is to move back from your original conclusions and evaluate the decision making process itself. Where randomness is involved this is difficult because the human mind is not wired to identify, understand or comprehend randomness. Evolutionarily we have developed nothing but pattern recognition infrastructure. All learning and thought (patterns of neurons) is by definition pattern driven; what goes with this, what goes with that, what has to do with something else, etc... Our brains are pattern using, pattern driven, pattern creating, pattern recognition engines that without patterns would be lumps of fat.

3.Therefore, by using different logic for identical situations we get different results. No one should accept less than a dollar for a dollar in a fair exchange, yet they do because their minds lead them astray.

A Shortcut to Heuristics

Let's talk for a moment about heuristics and cognitive biases. Cognitive biases are not insanities, nor are they unusual, aberrant, or in any way exceptional. They are simply a description of how all minds work. The human mind (the animal mind as well) cannot always (or ever) make decisions with perfect and complete information. Conventional thought therefore uses heuristics (short cuts) to reach decisions when perfect information is not available (sadly, that's most of the time). Total reliance on heuristics, which are inherently biased for decision making even when more complete information is available, can lead to cognitive distortion (very common). Only when an individual is completely unaware and unwilling to accept that they have made a snap decision based on imperfect information when better and more complete information is readily available does the field of psychology step in and say, "Hey, you might have a problem". Taking a shortcut when another way is quicker and safer is imprudent.

If you wished to buy a car in under a lifetime, you would not look at (and test drive) every car available. You would look in the paper, pick out a few that fit your criteria, and make your purchase, knowing full well that you were using a time saving shortcut (heuristic). Only if you insisted that buying a car after looking at only four of them was as accurate as looking at thousands of them and then buying (assuming doing so was equally easy) would your biased application of a common useful heuristic be upgraded to a mental problem. The two methods of car acquisition are not equal in time expenditure, so the see-four-and-buy method is probably preferable, even if it is obviously inferior in result. To think that your chances of getting the best deal looking at four cars or a thousand would be equal in result is insane. As long as you know you are taking a shortcut that is likely to have an inferior result, but is far superior in time usage, you are fine.

The Road Not Taken

Perhaps the most problematic bias that effects casino patrons' perceptions is the attentional bias. If left unchecked it will ride roughshod through what's left of our rational thought, leaving confirmation bias and the illusion of control in its wake. The classic textbook example of attentional bias is when one states emphatically that God answered their prayers, without considering all the times in their life they prayed and didn't get what they asked for, all the times they got something they wanted and hadn't prayed, and the even more common, not asking and not getting.

There are four (+1: the base rate occurrence of whatever was asked for) avenues of information that are imperative to make a rational and accurate assessment of whether or not God was really the source of one's wish fulfillment. If we assign "P" for praying and "G" for getting what you asked for , and use plus and minus symbols to signify their presence or absence we get:

1.+P +G = Praying and getting
2.+P -G = Praying, but not getting
3.-P +G = Not praying, but getting anyway
4.-P -G = Not praying, and not getting (most common)

In the biased (normal) mind only option #1 is given attention with options 2-4 being completely overlooked, or intentionally ignored. What we are left with is unfounded confirmation in the prayer's mind. The only way to confirm this scientifically would be to go back in time, do nothing different except for refraining from praying, and see if one then failed to get the what they had asked for in the other time-line. That's one way to say "It's not possible to be sure of anything." The believer says, "I prayed, I got. End of story. Logic be damned." 75% of the information needed to make an informed decision is not present and not available, yet people seem very happy to declare the puzzle completed with only 25% of the pieces present.

Where this bias rears its ugly head in video poker is when people make a certain play and get a hand they wanted, and then attribute their hold to achieving the end result. The road not taken is neither considered nor available, and so we are left only with their destination, and their own biased belief that is was their choice of path that got them their. Whenever one reaches a fork in the road and turns left or right, the only way to be sure they have taken the best path is to take both and compare results. As this is impossible outside of laboratory triple blind studies we will never know what vistas the road not taken would have lead us to.

Climbing Mount Everest Naked in the Snow

How does all this apply to quantifying, understanding and correctly evaluating randomness? Hmm... Good question. In order to accurately assess in your head an event involving randomness like video poker, one would need to accurately remember all the hands they had ever been dealt, all the cards they had ever held, and all the results they had ever gotten...but wait that's not all. One would also have to remember each and every combination with equal weight. This means that regardless of whether or not they had been dealt a pat Royal Flush in hearts, or the 2s 4c 6h 8s Td, neither could stand out more in their minds than the other, because they have equal frequency. How much the hands pay is irrelevant to the calculation. Unfortunately, for the cause of clear thought, how much these equally probably hands pay is not so irrelevant to the human mind. You'll remember a dealt Royal in Hearts. Good freaking luck remembering when you got dealt a 2s4c6h8sTd off suit.

Herein lies the problem: We lack the mental capability to identify or quantify randomness in our heads. We are always forced to use a heuristic in lieu of perfect information. Here, though, shortcuts cannot be used with even a modicum of accuracy. In some really interesting studies I read, researchers showed participants truly random number sequences and simulated random number sequences (sequences made by people) and discovered a 28% bias towards people thinking the truly random numbers were fake, and the fake ones were truly random. That means that left to their own devices 78% of the time the subjects could not spot true randomness at all, and instead favored the non-random number sequences over the real ones. The conclusion is clear: truly random events seem biased and non-random to our pattern seeking minds and vice versa. We can't see the forest for the trees, because we have no idea what a twree even looks like, or how to spell it.

You were wondering where the subheading title came from? As it turns out, climbing Mount Everest naked in the snow and accurately quantifying random events in your head are about on par in impossibility. Their difficulty level diverges only in how it's perceived. People don't oft try to climb the highest mountain in the buff, but they try to make in-head judgments about random events all the time, sadly with equal chances of success.

The Workaround

How then do we summit the roof of the world in our full monty or quantify randomness in our heads??? Simple answer: We Don't! It is impossible! Stay warm and keep your clothes on. By the time we are done factoring in imperfect memory, selective memory, outcome bias, results bias, information bias, and all the other biased biases you might as well be putting a fanatic right wing conservative in charge of the pro choice moment. One cannot play video poker and make an accurate judgment about one's play or the randomness of a machine in one's head...can't be done.

To make any kind of accurate assessment of truly random events, especially ones generated by a computer, the best tool at our disposal is another computer. It takes a thief to catch a thief, and only by fighting fire with fire do we have a chance for victory. Since computers use simple math to function, it is also possible to do the calculations by hand, albeit much slower. The key element to this workaround for our imperfect memories and biased recollections is that we don't use our heads to make the judgments. You do the calculations outside your head, and you don't allow pointless personal preference to poison your perceptions.

The reason some folks seem to have limited immunity to human biases is not because they don't have them, it because they have adopted a workaround, and aren't trying to climb Mt. Everest in the snow sans kit. They have accepted that it is impossible and are instead lazily lounging on the beaches of Tahiti, with a margarita in one hand, and letting math do the heavy lifting.

Try this simple mental exercise: Attempt to remember every single hand you have ever been dealt on a video poker machine over the course of your entire life with equal weight. Failed yet? Alright, now that we have established that this is impossible, put your faith in unbiased dispassionate probability math, if for no other reason because it is more likely to be telling you the truth than your own head which, we have proven beyond any shadow of a doubt, is unerringly biased to a fault. This is one job best outsourced (not to China) to pure provable mathematics.

The only way to win, is not to play the game ~War Games

~FK

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RE: [vpFREE] Re: "Play it Off"

 

I really can't see how they can force to you spend more money, especially
once they have already hand paid you.

My father worked security at the Isle of Capri in Black Hawk, Co. He told me
that the reason for playing it off was that if you had tampered with the
machine, it may not work correctly on the hand following the hand pay.
Playing the next hand gives the cameras something to tape in case there are
issues with the machine. At the Isle, it was a requirement to play it off
after any hand pay.

> Why do some, but not all, slot attendants request that you "play it
off"-meaning your winning hand on the screen, after you have received a hand
pay?
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[vpFREE] Stil here (mostely)

 

So I heard via the grape vine that someone said they had missed my input on this forum. I'm sorry I did not mean to abandon it. I have simply become busy with other things since leaving GWAE to Bob and Richard.

If anyone thinks there is some really important topic I should chime in on please feel free to drop me an email.

This week I have the G2 conference and a ren fair to attend, and then I'm going on a road trip to meet my long lost newly found sister.

There have also been multiple health issues within my adopted family.

Life's just really full right now.

If any of you get the Blackjack Insider News Letter, don't miss my article this month...it's quit humorous. (OK it's ALL humorous).

Cheers,

~FK

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[vpFREE] Gold Coast Bonus Day Changed

 

Last month or so it was 4x on Fridays. This month it is 5x on Thursdays. (Check for limit - I think it is 10,000 base points?)

5x continues on Senior Mondays.

Scot, you can add this to the LVA list.
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[vpFREE] Re: "Play it Off"

 

My father worked security at the Isle of Capri in Black Hawk, Co. He told me that the reason for playing it off was that if you had tampered with the machine, it may not work correctly on the hand following the hand pay. Playing the next hand gives the cameras something to tape in case there are issues with the machine. At the Isle, it was a requirement to play it off after any hand pay.

> Why do some, but not all, slot attendants request that you "play it off"-meaning your winning hand on the screen, after you have received a hand pay?
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[vpFREE] Re: to Mickey - Montana

 

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Valerie Pollard" <vpollard@...> wrote:
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> Hi Mickey,
>
> Where are you usually in Montana?
>
> We just got home from driving through the state - stayed in Glacier and then in Red Lodge. I was surprised to see "casinos" in every town, several of them. Of course they didn't look like casinos that we are used to in California or Vegas - didn't end up going in any of them - but it was hard to imagine they would be able to pay off any significant win, they were so small and most were rundown if you know what I mean.
> Are those all Indian casinos? Do they play poker in there?
>
> Valerie
>
>
Hey, Val. There are poker games in Montana, but a guy has to be highly selective. I mostly play Montana no-limit. That's a misnomer because Montana law is no pot bigger than $300. It's mostly played with a single $1 or $2 blind. These kids here ship it on any two. That don't scare me. I actually love it. But what does scare me is the big rake here. $4 and $5 rake. And no discount when the game gets short handed.

The Indians here are the dumbest I've ever seen. They're even dumber than the New Mexico Indians. They have a standing offer from me. $100,000 a year consultants fee-20 year contract. I'll show 'em how to get filthy rich in the gamblin' business. This is how stupid they are. There is Class III gambling in every bar in Montana. But what do the Indians have? They got Class II gambling. Is that stupid or what? Stupid, Stupid, Stupid.

I was up in Polson last year talkin' to there dumb asses. They told me if I kept calling them stupid they would throw me off the reservation. I told 'em they don't have to throw me off the reservation. I'm throwing myself off the reservation because I can't stand to look at there dumb ignorant asses. They can pay the $100,000 or they can stay broke.

I never expected to find any plays here. But I did. You can't run it on software. You have to do some heavy duty math to figure it out. I ain't gettin' rich here. It's a function of how hard I work but a good year here is about $50,000. But a funny thing happened to me on my way to Australia. I'm actually happy here with these Montucky idiots. I dread the day everything dries up and I have to go back to Nevada. Well, I don't really dread it. I just don't want to do it. Next month will be 4 years since I put a foot in Nevada.

You see those casino signs everywhere here. A liquor or beer and wine license can have up to 20 machines. But some joints bill themselves as a casino when they have only 1 machine. I have to run a route to make money here. I don't tag any one joint to hard. They're Mom and Pop operations and I don't want to break 'em. On a given day I could be in Great Falls, Helena, Butte, Anaconda, Deer Lodge, Missoula, Hamilton, Kalispell, Whitefish, or Havre.

There's a poser pro workin' the eastern half of the state. He followed me all around Nevada for years. Then he followed me to Montana. He's a disrespecful SOB. I got him pullin' his hair out right now tryin' to figure out Joker's Vault. But he can't do it without me. That jerk has made hundreds of thousands of dollars from my knowledge; it's probably in the millions by now.

He disrespected my friends one time to many. His dumb ass is on his own now.

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[vpFREE] Re: Vegas Hilton

 

Hi misscraps!
Welcome back and hope you are doing well! Long time lurker and last message I read said you were breathing through a tube, etc. Didn't sound good.

Thank you for your Hilton update. We had been semi-regulars there for years but with reduced comps/points/machines, gravitated to other locals places. Wife and I might try to get back on their radar in April when we next visit LV.

Always look forward to your commentary on various subjects.

Joe from NH

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, misscraps@... wrote:
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> The Vegas Hilton has lost a lot of business. Maybe that is why they now
> have a bank of 9/6 JB machines (actually labeled that way!) in the sport's
> book, at .50, $1, $2, $5. Points are slow to accumulate there at VP, but
> once you get on the mailing list (out-of-towner offers better than local),
> they can be generous, with monthly mailers for free rooms and free play,
> tournaments, even Macys and Dillard shopping sprees, etc. They also have $1
> NSU, Loose Deuces, and several DDB progressive machines, both in $1 and
> quarters, and numerous other VP machines. The Sports Book area is one of the
> best in Vegas, and always busy. The only downfall to playing in the Sports
> Book area is the noise, which can get really bad whenever there is a game on.
>
> They have laid off a lot of personnel, apparently, resulting in often-poor
> cocktail service and dirty areas that have not had old drinks picked up.
> Also hosts have been laid off, and when I call to book now, I can't get
> through to a host, and she doesn't ever call back!
>
> The buffet there is very good. Vegas locals should get a sticker from
> slot club for 25% off of all food. The buffet at first may seem to have a
> small selection, but actually the food is quite good, and includes very good
> salmon, pasta station, good salad bar (with both yellow and red tomato
> slices, yum), cold shrimp, prime rib, turkey, etc.
>
> Benihana's sometimes has been having great specials. Leave your card at
> entrance to get on the mailing list or ask if there is a monthly special.
> For September it was filet and chicken dinner for 2 people for $46 (no
> coupon needed)...sorry I didn't post this sooner....It was really a great
> dinner, and actually cheaper than the buffet. (Locals discount not available on
> "specials" prices, but 25% off normal prices).
>
> They also have Steakhouse and Italian restaurants (sometimes one or other
> is closed, depending on day of week), and good coffee shop, Pizza Hut, snack
> bar, etc. The pool is very nice too. There is a charge to enter the spa
> and use the gym.
>
> The off-strip location may be off-putting for some people, but really the
> Hilton has a lot to offer. It is also conveniently on the monorail line.
> So if you have friends or relatives coming to Vegas, or if you want to go
> there yourself, I recommend it. And they do need the business.
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[vpFREE] Re: Third Generation of Crooked Gaughns

 


Same web post was there for Sept. Instead of $10 play they provided $10 wal mart gift cards, but only on first 2000 points for 2 cards.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bmather4440" <alex.b.logan@...> wrote:
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> just called Terrible's, sounds like this was an August promotion that has yet to be removed from their website. Nothing on the entry mentioning it's August only.
>
> Great job, Terrible's webmaster!
>
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Re: [vpFREE] XVP - Dice Cheating at Wynn

 


+1- Tony Valentine novels are great entertainment and a fast read.
 
Couldnt agree more.
 

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From: GURU PERF <guruperf@att.net>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] XVP - Dice Cheating at Wynn
To: "vpFREE@yahoogroups.com" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 9:51 AM

 

If this type of story is interesting to you, you may be interested in reading some of James Swain's "Tony Valentine" novels. Valentine is a retired AC cop who runs a consulting business that specializes in helping casinos ferret out cheats and scams. They are pretty fast reads, but with lots of authenticity, and some very clever explanations of the various ways people try to achieve positive EV ; )

 
Certainly the game is rigged. Don't let that stop you; if you don't bet, you can't win. -Lazarus Long
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is. -Yogi Berra
There is no such thing as luck. There is only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe. -Robert Heinlein

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