I am sure that most of us find this article very interesting. I am 76 yrs old and have never worn glasses, but reasonably sure "when I get to Bob's age" I will need similar surgery. Great to hear that it is working for him and hope to hear the final results soon.
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If I may, let's say you have two choices,one has slightly higher Ev, and the otheris close, but for a long shot.
Bob Dancer would take the higher Evand Rob Singer says 'go for the shortterm' and take the long shot.
Putting yourself in the position of beinghit by lightning.
They often are different by pennies or less.
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peter boyd wrote:
> If I may ask, what exactly is Rob Singer's gaming approach as compared to
> Bob Dancer's method?
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advantage of short term luck. He is the author of "The Undeniable
Truth About Video Poker" and "Ramblin' and Gamblin' thru Nevada".
Traditional Video Poker Experts, who have examined Rob Singer's
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and they question the accuracy of his reported results. Discussion of
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peter boyd wrote:
> If I may ask, what exactly is Rob Singer's gaming approach as compared to
> Bob Dancer's method?
vpFREE FAQ #50:
Who is Rob Singer? - Rob Singer says that "Rob Singer is a
professional gambler from Scottsdale, Arizona, and top expert in
winning at video poker". He advocates a disciplined short term
approach to video poker using special plays and session goals to take
advantage of short term luck. He is the author of "The Undeniable
Truth About Video Poker" and "Ramblin' and Gamblin' thru Nevada".
Traditional Video Poker Experts, who have examined Rob Singer's
methods and strategies, contend that they are mathematically unsound,
and they question the accuracy of his reported results. Discussion of
his system(s) on the old vp_heaven internet forum was very disruptive
and led to the demise of that group.
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On Jan 15, 2013, at 3:52 PM, peter boyd boyd_peter@hotmail.com> wrote:
I'm somewhat lost by much of the discussion at times. If I may ask, what exactly is Rob Singer's gaming approach?
A good question, one I've wondered myself.
Honestly, I'm not sure there really is an answer except "whatever Dancer does is wrong."
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As an aside, my comments to Rob Singer weren't intended to characterize his gaming approach. I was simply highlighting why Rob might have "missed" the perspective that was the driver in Dancer's column.
Both in this post, and in the past, I acknowledge that "advantage play" doesn't suit all and I can understand why Rob's approach to gaming would be quite satisfactory to some. (Admittedly, there are risk factors that should be understood before applying that approach ... but the same goes for any approach, including "advantage" play.")
- H.
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> As far as I know, Rob basically advocates a Martingale, though he won't admit it. A Martingale is EV neutral, but it does substantially jack up the variance, which is gonna wreak havoc with N0 and Kelly bankroll, for those, such as myself, who think those parameters are important. If your goal is to win today, que sera sera, damn the icebergs full speed ahead, get the pilot drink, party like it's 1999, then I think Martingale is the system that offers the best chance of success at that goal. Bob and Mike talked about using a Martingale at craps on the radio show and Stanford Wong advocates Martingales (proportional betting) in his tournament strategy book. Proportional betting is also part of the Kelly system.
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "dunbar_dra" wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" wrote:
> > >
> > > Rob, I can see where, from your perspective, you might have been led to conclude Bob had a losing trip.
> > >
> > > After all, it would seem that Bob was doing a reverse take on an old medical joke: "The operation was a failure; the patient is better."
> > >
> > > Bob's article stands out as an example of how "day to day results" are a minor focus in his play. He's all about "EV", and the interesting aspect to him in this play was how Riviera diminished a good expectation.
> > >
> > > By contrast, Rob, when you played actively, a loss in a given day was a keen disappointment. When executed as you advocate, your strategy yields up a win most days.
> > >
> > > You know that I have a certain respect for your strategy (even if I don't think it's necessarily a "winning" one overall). I'm first to admit that the methodology of "advantage play" isn't satisfying to all, and that for yourself and many others, play along the lines you recommend yields greater fulfillment.
> > >
> > > That said, a competent "advantage player" can reliably look to reap that advantage over manageable time, provided that they keep their eye on playing at a sufficiently positive EV. To have a casino "pull the rug" out from under that expectation on a trip is a key frustration.
> > >
> > > - H.
> >
> > I want to belatedly say that that was a superbly well-written, well thought out post, Harry.
> >
> > --Dunbar
> >
>
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Bob Dancer's LV Advisor Column - 15 JAN 2013
"The Eyes Have It"
http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/bob_dancer/2013/0115.cfm
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As far as I know, Rob basically advocates a Martingale, though he won't admit it. A Martingale is EV neutral, but it does substantially jack up the variance, which is gonna wreak havoc with N0 and Kelly bankroll, for those, such as myself, who think those parameters are important. If your goal is to win today, que sera sera, damn the icebergs full speed ahead, get the pilot drink, party like it's 1999, then I think Martingale is the system that offers the best chance of success at that goal. Bob and Mike talked about using a Martingale at craps on the radio show and Stanford Wong advocates Martingales (proportional betting) in his tournament strategy book. Proportional betting is also part of the Kelly system.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "dunbar_dra" wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" wrote:
> >
> > Rob, I can see where, from your perspective, you might have been led to conclude Bob had a losing trip.
> >
> > After all, it would seem that Bob was doing a reverse take on an old medical joke: "The operation was a failure; the patient is better."
> >
> > Bob's article stands out as an example of how "day to day results" are a minor focus in his play. He's all about "EV", and the interesting aspect to him in this play was how Riviera diminished a good expectation.
> >
> > By contrast, Rob, when you played actively, a loss in a given day was a keen disappointment. When executed as you advocate, your strategy yields up a win most days.
> >
> > You know that I have a certain respect for your strategy (even if I don't think it's necessarily a "winning" one overall). I'm first to admit that the methodology of "advantage play" isn't satisfying to all, and that for yourself and many others, play along the lines you recommend yields greater fulfillment.
> >
> > That said, a competent "advantage player" can reliably look to reap that advantage over manageable time, provided that they keep their eye on playing at a sufficiently positive EV. To have a casino "pull the rug" out from under that expectation on a trip is a key frustration.
> >
> > - H.
>
> I want to belatedly say that that was a superbly well-written, well thought out post, Harry.
>
> --Dunbar
>
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> Rob, I can see where, from your perspective, you might have been led to conclude Bob had a losing trip.
>
> After all, it would seem that Bob was doing a reverse take on an old medical joke: "The operation was a failure; the patient is better."
>
> Bob's article stands out as an example of how "day to day results" are a minor focus in his play. He's all about "EV", and the interesting aspect to him in this play was how Riviera diminished a good expectation.
>
> By contrast, Rob, when you played actively, a loss in a given day was a keen disappointment. When executed as you advocate, your strategy yields up a win most days.
>
> You know that I have a certain respect for your strategy (even if I don't think it's necessarily a "winning" one overall). I'm first to admit that the methodology of "advantage play" isn't satisfying to all, and that for yourself and many others, play along the lines you recommend yields greater fulfillment.
>
> That said, a competent "advantage player" can reliably look to reap that advantage over manageable time, provided that they keep their eye on playing at a sufficiently positive EV. To have a casino "pull the rug" out from under that expectation on a trip is a key frustration.
>
> - H.
I want to belatedly say that that was a superbly well-written, well thought out post, Harry.
--Dunbar
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Scot Krause's Real Deals - 15 JAN 2013
http://gamingtoday.com/articles/article/39674-Las_Vegas_Casino_bargains_and_promotions
or
http://tinyurl.com/bf9swh3
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