FYI Orbitz sent me an email re Virgin America flights low as $138 RT. Such
as SF-LV $138, Boston - LV $298. I guess this is cheap since I don't shop
these departures.
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If I were just starting out I'd stick with Tuscany out of that group and I wouldn't go near El Cortez, Terribles, Sam's Town, or esp. Ellis Island. The gross-out factor weighs far greater with me than whatever a property offers for vp.
Don't get the wrong impression on your initial trip: visit the M, South Point, Rampart, or even the Orleans or any of the beautiful hotels on and around the Strip.
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To: "vpFREE@yahoogroups.com" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Planned Vegas Trip
Date: Thu, Feb 2, 2012 7:51 pm
I would get a free room at Imperial Palace before going to Terrible's or Tuscany. Their parking garage is very close to rooms and casino and a short distance to the strip, right in the center of the strip. Also if you rent a car (Usually we get Payless for around $11 per day) you can go to the M, South Point, Silverton, the Orleans, Sun Coast, pick up freebies plus usually some free play when you get their card. This way you can find out what & where you like.
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I would get a free room at Imperial Palace before going to Terrible's or Tuscany. Their parking garage is very close to rooms and casino and a short distance to the strip, right in the center of the strip. Also if you rent a car (Usually we get Payless for around $11 per day) you can go to the M, South Point, Silverton, the Orleans, Sun Coast, pick up freebies plus usually some free play when you get their card. This way you can find out what & where you like.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, TedChee@... wrote:
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> To be close to the Strip, I'd suggest Terribles, Tuscany,
> Ellis Island or Casino Royale.
> Since I haven't been to Terribles or Ellis Island for a
> while, I hope someone else will provide an update on these two.
Terrible's just downgraded their 9/6 Jacks and 8/5 Bonus, so maybe that's not a good choice anymore.
I've never heard of anyone getting room offers from Ellis, but you should be able to get a good rate at the motel next door. It's the world's largest Super 8.
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFREE Administrator" <vpfreeadmin@> wrote:
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> > LVA Question of the Day - 1 FEB 2012
> >
> > Q: I was playing late at the Riviera and the only eatery
> > open was the Queen Victoria Pub.
>
> I'm just a dollar rec, player. Can someone enlighten me tell me what BD
> could possibly be playing at the Riv.? Database shows nothing playable.
The Riviera just recently downgraded some $5 machines. Or maybe he's playing a not-so-good paytable (that wouldn't necessarily be listed in the database) if he's getting juicy slot club benefits that make up for it.
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Sound like you're beginning your exploration of LV. If so, where you want
to be near is important. Downtown has lower requirements & you're more
likely to find better vp. Besides the ones already mentioned, I'd suggest El
Cortez. Although I've never stayed there what they send you is a nice return
on low-moderate action.
To be close to the Strip, I'd suggest Terribles, Tuscany, Ellis Island or
Casino Royale. Even though I haven't played at Tuscany for a couple of
years, I keep on receiving mail with $25/night rates (if I ever run out of
low-margin offers, I'll stay here & enjoy what LV has to offer). Casino Royale
gives you 2/3 nights per month. It's based on 500 pts/stay, if I remember
correctly & this can be achieved with 2 hrs of .25 BP play. It's right on the
Strip next to Harrahs & it has a Denny's & an Outback. Since I haven't
been to Terribles or Ellis Island for a while, I hope someone else will
provide an update on these two.
In a message dated 2/2/2012 9:12:41 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
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Wed Feb 1, 2012 5:35 pm (PST)
I'm hunting for a single casino where I can play VP with the only object
to get comped for my room and food.
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I've never played this game, but I don't mind procrastinating for 5 minutes.
Off the top of my head. The number of quick quads is:
2: 4 * 6 (four ways to have trip 2's times six ways to have AA)
3: 4 * 16 (sixteen ways for A2)
4: 4 * (16 + 6) (sixteen ways for A3 and six ways for 22)
5: 4 * (16 + 16) (sixteen ways for 23 and sixteen ways for A4)
6: 4 * (16 + 16 + 6) (24, A5 and 33)
7: 4 * (16 + 16 + 16) (34, 25, A6)
8: 4 * (16 + 16 + 16 + 6) (35, 26, A7, 44)
9: 4 * (16 + 16 + 16 + 16) (45, 36, 27, A8)
10: 4 * (16 + 16 + 16 + 16 + 6) (46, 37, 28, A9, 55)
Sum them up you get:
4 * (6*5 + 16*20) = 1400 quick quad combos
This is in addition to the 13 * 48 = 624 standard quad combos
This would make quads on QQ machines roughly 3.25x more likely. Wizard of
odds quotes 2.7x so I probably messed up somewhere, though... :)
Ed
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 12:22 PM, <coachvee@aol.com> wrote:
> **
>
>
> Hi Gang:
> A friend recently asked me an interesting question and I thought I'd put
> it
> out on these boards to see if the math experts out there could possibly
> answer it for us.
> We all know that there are 13 possible ways to be dealt a four-of-a-kind
> in
> a non-wild game such as JOB, BP or DDB etc.
> But, this friend, Hedy and I have been dabbling lately in Quick Quads
> (Harrah's AC has one 50-play and one 100-play machine at the 1-cent,
> 2-cent,
> nickel and quarter levels). His question to me was: "How many ways are
> there
> to be dealt a four-of-a-kind in Quick Quads when playing a non-wild game?"
> Good question, I said. I didn't have the answer, of course. Does anyone
> out
> there know?
> Thanks for your help.
> Regards,
> CoachVee & Hedy
>
>
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>
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Hi Gang:
A friend recently asked me an interesting question and I thought I'd put it
out on these boards to see if the math experts out there could possibly
answer it for us.
We all know that there are 13 possible ways to be dealt a four-of-a-kind in
a non-wild game such as JOB, BP or DDB etc.
But, this friend, Hedy and I have been dabbling lately in Quick Quads
(Harrah's AC has one 50-play and one 100-play machine at the 1-cent, 2-cent,
nickel and quarter levels). His question to me was: "How many ways are there
to be dealt a four-of-a-kind in Quick Quads when playing a non-wild game?"
Good question, I said. I didn't have the answer, of course. Does anyone out
there know?
Thanks for your help.
Regards,
CoachVee & Hedy
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Sun Coast always gives us free rooms and they don't even take the points.
If you are 60 or over, their buffets have senior days for half price, use
points then.
In a message dated 2/2/2012 8:42:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
clawed4967@yahoo.com writes:
A Boyd's property for sure. The Gold Coast is the closest to the strip and
has many good VP games. And if you venture downtown there are Boyd
properties there to help build up your comp points. If you use your points to pay
for your room it takes 1000 points per dollar. But if you use your points
to pay for meals if only takes 600 per dollar. And your points don't expire
for over a year
If you go online to the individual casino sites ( Gold Coast , Suncoast,
SAMs town) you can see bonus days that will build up you comp reserve faster
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"How We Learned to Cheat at Online Poker: A Study in Software Security":
http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/entdev/article.php/616221
This is just a minor point, but you could flip a coin (many times, of course) to determine if it was exactly balanced, and people have done just this, and it turns out most coins are not balanced. And (hopefully) Nevada Gaming Regulators do the equivalent when they test machines for randomness. Or do they just outsource the job to China?
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/56411/how-to-test-randomness-case-in-point-shuffling
The wikipedia article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin_flipping
says most people coin flip with biases in the range of ".495 or .503".
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:
> It would be like flipping two coins and trying to infer from the results which one had more heads on it. Look at the coins, make sure they have both heads and a tails for sides, but for goodness sake don't flip them and record the results to learn anything more.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "lfcmja@..." <lfcmja@...> wrote:
>
> Was in the neighborhood so I stopped in for my second visit to explore the
> bac.game>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Based on your description, I would say that these games are likely random. It sounds like each station has multiple player spots available for betting on the same outcome - just like a regular bac. game. Since the players have the option of betting either Player or Banker, and since there will presumably be some players betting on Player and some on Banker at the same time, any intentional non-random bias that hurts one side helps the other, so it's hard for the casino to gain anything that way. Also, any intentional non-random bias in this game might be potentially exploitable by observant players. It seems that it would be much more simple and safer for the casino just to deal an honest game and let the built in odds (or commission charge for the Banker) take care of the results.
EE
Since you are focused on downtown, be sure to check out Fremont Street experience Buffet Coupons.pdf It has 2 fer buffets at Main st. station, and the Fremont, $5 off Pasta Pirate, at the California, 2 fer shrimp cocktals at the Golden Gate, and so on-- w/ coupons- go to each slot club, with slot card, FIRST to redeem- one per person per calender year
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From: Roger Smith <vprog42r@yahoo.com>
To: "vpFREE@yahoogroups.com" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2012 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Planned Vegas Trip
Thanks for your reply! I spent a few days in downtown Las Vegas in October, scouting and getting player cards. I've been reading Jean Scott's book "More Frugal Gambling," especially regarding comps, rooms and food. I kind of like downtown, because rooms are cheaper and hence easier for the beginner to get rooms. Can you tell me what CET means? I'm aware Main Street Station, California and Freemont are Boyd properties, and all downtown. Aren't Gold Coast and Sun Coast also Boyd properties? In your opinion, would you say all Boyd properties are good for comps? That would simplify things. There is some sort of relationship between Boyd comps, but I can figure those things out once I've selected a single destination casino for my first VP trip.
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From: Pat. Mccauley <kypat@aol.com>
To: "vpFREE@yahoogroups.com" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Planned Vegas Trip
First do you have a player card anywhere? If so, contact them to see if you can get a comped room. I have found rooms easy to get for free at most places. CET is , in my opinion hard to get food comps, but you can use your reward credits to pay but they are very stingy with rc's when you play vp. I would suggest Gold Coast or Sun Coast as it is much easier getting food comped there.
Pat McCauley
On Feb 1, 2012, at 8:26 PM, "vprog42r" <vprog42r@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm hunting for a single casino where I can play VP with the only object to get comped for my room and food. My bankroll is limited, perhaps $3,000. Certainly I don't require an expensive room or 5-star dining! Maybe $5.98/night would be OK, as long as the dogs weren't too loud. Oh, and kibbles and bits are OK, too. In truth, as many casinos as there are in Las Vegas, I really do expect to find a single destination that I can start with, and I'd figure out improvements with time. I'd play slowly at first, but would practice a whole bunch before I go to Vegas. Game? I believe I'd like Jacks or better, or DDB... They have that at the Indian casino not far from my home.
>
>
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Was in the neighborhood so I stopped in for my second visit to explore the
bac.game
There are about six different bac. stations in the casino( total upstairs and
down stairs). The setup is a big screen or multi screens showing the draws.
Players sit at their own terminals and bet accordingly. Each row contains
anywhere from 6-15 seats and each row has a minimum bet. The back rows are the
least expensive ( $15 /20 min. depending on the station). There is a 5%
commission on a banker win. On two of the stations you can actually see the
eight decks in the stack and the mechanical hand turning them over as the play
progresses. They are read I guess by some sort of optical reader.
I happened to engage in conversation with an employee who worked in one of the
bac.areas. She was very knowledgeable. She absolutely knew about the
non-randomness of the VLT slots/video poker, but said that the bac. games were
truly random. Without disclosing my own observations she reiterated the dealing
of the eight card deck which could be seen at the two largest stations( she said
that the "smaller" stations also dealt from an eight card deck but this was a
virtual stack and couldn't be seen). She did say however, that this was also an
"honest" eight deck stack, hence the commission on a winning banker bet.
In addition, I was also told that many "regulars" had made the same inquiries
and had kept records of every card that came up and were convinced that this was
a Vegas/AC style game !
BTW the back rows with $15 or $20 min. were packed as were the smaller
stations where all rows had these denoms. The only seats available at 12:30 on a
Wed. afternoon were those with $50 minimums !
She also told me that the lower denoms were usually full by 9 or 10 o'clock.
The casino opens at 8:00.
Any comments ?
Larry Feldman
Thanks for your reply! I spent a few days in downtown Las Vegas in October, scouting and getting player cards. I've been reading Jean Scott's book "More Frugal Gambling," especially regarding comps, rooms and food. I kind of like downtown, because rooms are cheaper and hence easier for the beginner to get rooms. Can you tell me what CET means? I'm aware Main Street Station, California and Freemont are Boyd properties, and all downtown. Aren't Gold Coast and Sun Coast also Boyd properties? In your opinion, would you say all Boyd properties are good for comps? That would simplify things. There is some sort of relationship between Boyd comps, but I can figure those things out once I've selected a single destination casino for my first VP trip.
________________________________
From: Pat. Mccauley <kypat@aol.com>
To: "vpFREE@yahoogroups.com" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Planned Vegas Trip
First do you have a player card anywhere? If so, contact them to see if you can get a comped room. I have found rooms easy to get for free at most places. CET is , in my opinion hard to get food comps, but you can use your reward credits to pay but they are very stingy with rc's when you play vp. I would suggest Gold Coast or Sun Coast as it is much easier getting food comped there.
Pat McCauley
On Feb 1, 2012, at 8:26 PM, "vprog42r" <vprog42r@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm hunting for a single casino where I can play VP with the only object to get comped for my room and food. My bankroll is limited, perhaps $3,000. Certainly I don't require an expensive room or 5-star dining! Maybe $5.98/night would be OK, as long as the dogs weren't too loud. Oh, and kibbles and bits are OK, too. In truth, as many casinos as there are in Las Vegas, I really do expect to find a single destination that I can start with, and I'd figure out improvements with time. I'd play slowly at first, but would practice a whole bunch before I go to Vegas. Game? I believe I'd like Jacks or better, or DDB... They have that at the Indian casino not far from my home.
>
>
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