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From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpFREE@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ed
Miller
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 2:24 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Luck versus Skill question for Iguana and Texas
Hold'em players
I have thoughts about the IGT bot. If you aren't a proven, successful
high-stakes heads-up limit hold'em player, I expect you to get slaughtered.
Ed
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 1:40 PM, nightoftheiguana2000 <
nightoftheiguana2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
> **
>
>
> The variance of basic blackjack is something like 2, seems like
> hold'em should be some small multiple of that, I dunno, maybe 4 or 5,
> I think that kind of figure has been floated before. Sklansky's
> twoplustwo.com might have some info. Bob should get Sklansky on his
> radio show. Once you have the variance, the SD can be approximated as
> half the average pot times sqrt(variance x hands). Hold'em edges are
> usually expressed in terms of BigBlinds per hour, like 1-2BB/hour.
> Also, in hold'em, how you play effects the variance, there are plays
> that increase the variance and there are plays that decrease it, like
> "pot control". The igt bot is mostly a hyper-LAG and the best response
> to that is to call a lot but not raise a lot, that might give you some
> ideas of how to play. Hyper-LAG itself is a high variance strategy. Ed
> Miller, the "noted poker authority", used to be on this forum, maybe he
has some ideas of how to play the igt bot.
>
> Strategy discussion:
> http://www.lvrevealed.com/articles/research/selby.html
> http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/109/heads-up-limit/
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "kcace1024" <cy4873@...> wrote:
> >
> > The best EV game left at one of my local casinos may be the Head Up
> Texas Hold'em game. How many hands will I need to play to have a good
> estimate of the house or player edge? I guess the average pot size may
> be required to figure the variance?
> >
> > If I assume no edge (breakeven play) what is the equation to get the
> standard deviation for profit or loss after N hands. Can I use average
> pot size and treat it like N coin flips or does the variation in pot
> size affect the result. If I can play this game at breakeven then I
> can earn freeplay and comps.
> >
> > I found a robot to play Heads Up on the Kongregate web site. Does
> > anyone
> know of other robots I can play online for practice? Is there a basic
> strategy (like in blackjack) for playing robots heads up?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Chris
> >
>
>
>
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Yes, I forgot to mention that you should tip while getting the free drinks
in the casino (which you get as part of a Harrahs or some other casino
certificates). We saved some money by getting a couple of cans of soda and a
cocktail at the bar at the same time, then tipped $1 for all. Another ploy
is to tip on and off, or tip big at the start, then slack off. Some
people have reported some casino bars won't give drinks with the casino card,
free drinks only if you were playing at machines. But we didn't have
difficulty on any cruise getting drinks at bar. Perhaps the solution is to put
out a $1 first couple of times you order at the bar, once they know they will
be tipped, they will serve the drink.
You also should tip for room service, which is not included in the general
$12.50 a day gratuity.
We got special service from the Matre De on one cruise, and tipped him
extra at the end. (special orders for certain foods).
Tipping is always subjective. If you are going to tip every single time
you get a soda, and you drink a lot of them, you might as well pay for the
soda package, which includes tips.
Normally when you buy cocktails around the ship you should tip as well,
since the bar isn't included in the $12.50 a day gratuity.
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I believe if one person from the same household uses a 7 star certificate
and 1 uses a different one, you now cannot use them both together for 2
rooms, but can combine them for a 1 category upgrade.
If 2 7 stars can now each book separate rooms, that is a great development.
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In parts of the Palms when there is a band or canned music in the bar area
near the front door, the noise can be bad, mostly because the bass from it
conflicts with the loud canned music. When they overlap the noise can be
bad.
I also hate to be in New Orleans at night when they have a so-called band
walk through, loud, sometimes off-key, and generally obnoxious. I think
the idea is for players to follow the band around in a parade, but it
interrupts several times a night, and it is bad when you are playing (especially
Vp).
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You will definitely have potential noise issues from XS nightclub at the Encore if you have a south facing room. I discovered that first hand on my initial trip and had to be moved mid stay. I now refuse to accept any room at Encore that isn't facing north. View isn't as nice, but at least you can sleep undisturbed.
SB
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "VpKing77" <vpking77@...> wrote:
>
> I recently read some posts on another forum about blaring nightclub noise at the Wynn and Encore. I have a 3 night invite there with freeplay through the Summer. I haven't stay there in about two years.
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If they did, then everyone would figure out to play one chip on each number, the zero and double zero...
Don the Dentist
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "luvdatbob" <bobmon1954@...> wrote:
>
> They would not let me use chips for anything but even bets on roulette. It was pretty lame.
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I followed this thread when the game first came out. I came to the conclusion that, since the game was very low-limit, .50/1, 1/2, 2/4, a player talented enough to beat it didn't have much of an hourly rate and was better off in other spots.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/new-poker-machine-rake-free-headsup-limit-holdem-895984
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LOL. Have you ever tried it? I don't think it can be that good, because if that was the case nobody would play it, at least not for long, the machines would sit empty. Sklansky plays it, but I guess he would qualify as one of those top but somewhat unknown players and maybe he's just got a gig as a shill. The early revisions had some serious flaws that caused a number of casinos to pull the machines, I assume the really bad flaws have been fixed by now. One flaw had to do with its fold frequency when you got all in from being short stacked to start. One advantage it has is that it likes to steal the button on any rebuy or cashout or freeplay or handpay or taxable and so on which a lot of players I've seen don't seem to notice. I guess it's an argument whether or not the button has the advantage in this game, but my guess is that it does.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Ed Miller <ed.miller@...> wrote:
>
> I have thoughts about the IGT bot. If you aren't a proven, successful
> high-stakes heads-up limit hold'em player, I expect you to get slaughtered.
>
> Ed
>
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 1:40 PM, nightoftheiguana2000 <
> nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > The variance of basic blackjack is something like 2, seems like hold'em
> > should be some small multiple of that, I dunno, maybe 4 or 5, I think that
> > kind of figure has been floated before. Sklansky's twoplustwo.com might
> > have some info. Bob should get Sklansky on his radio show. Once you have
> > the variance, the SD can be approximated as half the average pot times
> > sqrt(variance x hands). Hold'em edges are usually expressed in terms of
> > BigBlinds per hour, like 1-2BB/hour. Also, in hold'em, how you play effects
> > the variance, there are plays that increase the variance and there are
> > plays that decrease it, like "pot control". The igt bot is mostly a
> > hyper-LAG and the best response to that is to call a lot but not raise a
> > lot, that might give you some ideas of how to play. Hyper-LAG itself is a
> > high variance strategy. Ed Miller, the "noted poker authority", used to be
> > on this forum, maybe he has some ideas of how to play the igt bot.
> >
> > Strategy discussion:
> > http://www.lvrevealed.com/articles/research/selby.html
> > http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/109/heads-up-limit/
> >
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "kcace1024" <cy4873@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The best EV game left at one of my local casinos may be the Head Up
> > Texas Hold'em game. How many hands will I need to play to have a good
> > estimate of the house or player edge? I guess the average pot size may be
> > required to figure the variance?
> > >
> > > If I assume no edge (breakeven play) what is the equation to get the
> > standard deviation for profit or loss after N hands. Can I use average pot
> > size and treat it like N coin flips or does the variation in pot size
> > affect the result. If I can play this game at breakeven then I can earn
> > freeplay and comps.
> > >
> > > I found a robot to play Heads Up on the Kongregate web site. Does anyone
> > know of other robots I can play online for practice? Is there a basic
> > strategy (like in blackjack) for playing robots heads up?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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I have used both the Harrahs cruise certificates and comped cabins from NCL directly. My experiences are a little different. I have never paid "reservation fee" only the Port fees and any taxes. Sometimes I'm offered an inside, other times a Mini suite. The value differs, depending on the itinerary. For an example, I emailed my NCL person directly (located at NCL, not Harrahs/Caesars or any travel agency)for the new Breakaway sailing in July. I was only offered the cheapest inside cabin, in the lowest cabin category for the cruise. To upgrade to a mid priced balcony it was appx. $2200 total including taxes and port fees more for both of us. I guess I saved appx. $1400 off of the regular rate. But this is only because the ship is new and demand is very high, as are the prices of the cabins.
I also booked the Epic a few weeks ago for a February 2014 cruise that was $293 a person (port fees and taxes) for an Aft Balcony. I was offered a Mini suite on that ship, but I prefer the Aft balconies.
I play green chip LIR, no bonus bets, with some DDB at the bartops. Short pay, but I figure I save on the cruise itself, so that funds the gambling. For those that drink, I (we) also receive drink card(s) at the start of the cruise. Also during the week, various snacks are delivered to the cabin. So for me it's an easy choice to go on a free cruise. If you are a cruiser, and favor Harrahs and NCL I would suggest you always purchase a future cruise certificate for $150, which is worth $250 when you book a cruise. You can use it pay your port fees and taxes, saving you $100. (you paid $150 for it and got $250 credit towards a cruise fare) On the example using the Epic sailing, it will cost me $293-$100(what the net vaue of the cruise cert. I had purcahsed for $250) = $193. $193 is damn near free for me, considering I get a balcony cabin, all the food I can eat and any drink while in casino. Someone mentioned about cruising solo, this is true, there is not any extra charges if you are in cabin by yourself. If the old lady wants to go, I only pay for the port fees and taxes for her. Still a great deal for me.
Glenn
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "the7thwarrior" <Judy@...> wrote:
>
> Those certificates are excellent for single or solo cruisers.
> You only have to pay for yourself in the cabin. A $200 in port charges and taxes tp cruise for a week is a fantastic deal. If you upgrade to a balcony from an insie cabin it usually costs around $300 more. So you are charged about $500 for a balcony cabin.
> Most cruises if you cruise alone will charge you double the going rate. So these certificates do have some value if you are single and want to take a vacation.
>
> If you travel frequently on NCL you will get a free dinner at the specialty restaurants and one free laundry while on the cruise, for the platinum level.
>
> This biggest problem I see is the lack of various itineraries.
> 90% are caribbean cruises. All are 7 days and cannot be combined for a 14 day cruise, so you are stuck with the same trip over and over again if you get multiple certificates over the years.
>
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Misscraps <misscraps@> wrote:
> >
> > If you have a so-called complimentary cruise certificate from NCL the charges you will pay for includes "guest reservation" (of $175 per person, and everyone has to pay them even though the cruise is so-called 'free') plus "port fees and taxes" which vary depending on ports. This total varies a bit depending on time of cruise, port, type of cabin. These fees total around $300 per person for me for a couple upcoming cruises to Caribbean and Mexico. So that should give u a rough idea.
> >
> > Fees may be a bit more for Alaska.
> >
> > This is one reason I feel these "complimentary" NCL cruises are deceptive. Some Harrahs properties describe them as "free" cruises, but $300 upfront isn't free in my book. You must pay these at time of reservation. Getting the insurance is also probably a good idea in case u must cancel.
> >
> > On top of this you will pay $12.50 per day per person for gratuities. These are billed automatically and paid for with your credit card. If u feel service is bad u can go to the information desk and change this, or if very good, give individual tips to certain people. For me, I just do the automatic tipping, which seems fair enough.
> >
> > Soda onboard also is not free, and if u drink anything except water, coffee, tea, or milk (except juice at breakfast), you might want to consider buying an unlimited soda package (around $7 a day I think). As a casino guest, drinks in the casino are free (they will give u a special card the first night of sailing if u attend a meeting in the casino, an invitation will come to your room), or ask at the casino. If u are thrifty, you can get cans of soda and cocktails at the casino bar and walk with them to dinner or your room. Otherwise booze isn't cheap. You can buy lower cost bottles of booze on the ship or in duty free shops in some ports, but the ship confiscates them and won't give them to u until u land. Some people sneak booze on board but ship's really try to confiscate any brought on board so they can sell u their own more expensive cocktails. Look for the captain's party or other special events that might have a glass or two of free champagne.
> >
> > Other major cost is shore excursions. In many cases u can save money by waiting to go onshore on your own and buying from people onshore. Check the Internet for tips on each port and sometimes u can buy good packages in advance online.
> >
> > On The Epic, and possibly other ships now, u can also book tickets for the shows onboard in advance. You should do so to save time in lines.
> >
> > For first time cruisers the NCL cruises will be nice. For more sophisticated travelers, NCL isn't the best cruise line.
> >
> > Food in the main dining room is excellent, and u don't need to spend extra on the specialty restaurants, though some people do and enjoy them. If u eat early, there is no problem with seating but if u eat at prime times u may want to make dining room reservations, despite "freestyle" promises. The buffet is quite good, especially for breakfast, but we found the dining room much better for dinners. You can order as much as u want, so indulge and order two entrees and two deserts if you like, or order something else if the first appetizer or entree isn't so good. Be prepared to gain 5-10 pounds on cruise. Go crazy with the food, it is part of the fun.
> >
>
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I have stayed at both Cosmopolitan & Paris and I have not had any problem
with noise. I have also stayed at The Wynn, no problem there either. I have
not stayed at Encore.
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