Re: [vpFREE] Re: Luck versus Skill question for Iguana and Texas Hold'em players

The button is a huge advantage. All the button-stealing makes the game
unplayable, IMO.

Why do you think the machines would sit empty if people weren't beating
them? I don't spend as much time in casinos as I used to, but at least a
while back I'd see from time to time people playing machines without an
edge.

Ed

On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 2:55 PM, nightoftheiguana2000 <
nightoftheiguana2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

> **
>
>
> LOL. Have you ever tried it? I don't think it can be that good, because if
> that was the case nobody would play it, at least not for long, the machines
> would sit empty. Sklansky plays it, but I guess he would qualify as one of
> those top but somewhat unknown players and maybe he's just got a gig as a
> shill. The early revisions had some serious flaws that caused a number of
> casinos to pull the machines, I assume the really bad flaws have been fixed
> by now. One flaw had to do with its fold frequency when you got all in from
> being short stacked to start. One advantage it has is that it likes to
> steal the button on any rebuy or cashout or freeplay or handpay or taxable
> and so on which a lot of players I've seen don't seem to notice. I guess
> it's an argument whether or not the button has the advantage in this game,
> but my guess is that it does.
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Ed Miller <ed.miller@...> wrote:
> >
> > I have thoughts about the IGT bot. If you aren't a proven, successful
> > high-stakes heads-up limit hold'em player, I expect you to get
> slaughtered.
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 1:40 PM, nightoftheiguana2000 <
> > nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:
> >
> > > **
>
> > >
> > >
> > > The variance of basic blackjack is something like 2, seems like hold'em
> > > should be some small multiple of that, I dunno, maybe 4 or 5, I think
> that
> > > kind of figure has been floated before. Sklansky's twoplustwo.commight
> > > have some info. Bob should get Sklansky on his radio show. Once you
> have
> > > the variance, the SD can be approximated as half the average pot times
> > > sqrt(variance x hands). Hold'em edges are usually expressed in terms of
> > > BigBlinds per hour, like 1-2BB/hour. Also, in hold'em, how you play
> effects
> > > the variance, there are plays that increase the variance and there are
> > > plays that decrease it, like "pot control". The igt bot is mostly a
> > > hyper-LAG and the best response to that is to call a lot but not raise
> a
> > > lot, that might give you some ideas of how to play. Hyper-LAG itself
> is a
> > > high variance strategy. Ed Miller, the "noted poker authority", used
> to be
> > > on this forum, maybe he has some ideas of how to play the igt bot.
> > >
> > > Strategy discussion:
> > > http://www.lvrevealed.com/articles/research/selby.html
> > > http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/109/heads-up-limit/
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "kcace1024" <cy4873@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The best EV game left at one of my local casinos may be the Head Up
> > > Texas Hold'em game. How many hands will I need to play to have a good
> > > estimate of the house or player edge? I guess the average pot size may
> be
> > > required to figure the variance?
> > > >
> > > > If I assume no edge (breakeven play) what is the equation to get the
> > > standard deviation for profit or loss after N hands. Can I use average
> pot
> > > size and treat it like N coin flips or does the variation in pot size
> > > affect the result. If I can play this game at breakeven then I can earn
> > > freeplay and comps.
> > > >
> > > > I found a robot to play Heads Up on the Kongregate web site. Does
> anyone
> > > know of other robots I can play online for practice? Is there a basic
> > > strategy (like in blackjack) for playing robots heads up?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> >
>
>
>


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