Re: [vpFREE] spin poker?

 

The reason why the variance is lower is the effect of jackpot hands. 

If you're drawing to RF4 on 3-line, you'll get some results of no royals, some results of 1 royal, some of 2, and perhaps once in a lifetime, all 3.

When you draw to RF4 on 3-line Spin Poker, the only possible results are 0 royals and 1 royal. Because there are no repeated cards on screen. You have 3 interdependent chances at the missing card (1 in 47, 1 in 46, and 1 in 45) rather than 3 independent chances each at 1 in 47.

Spin Poker variance is higher than regular play for all cases above 3 lines. Because a drawn card triggers multiple paying lines. But for exactly 3 lines, it's lower. (Someone else can link to the Wizard Of Odds page that gives the exact differences).

On Apr 20, 2017, at 8:47 PM, genefro41@gmail.com [vpFREE] <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Math challenged here. Does it also follow then that playing 5 lines of 9/6 JOB spin poker will have a slightly lower volatility (variance?) than regular 5-play?

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Re: [vpFREE] spin poker?

 

I don't see how 3 line spin poker is any different than regular 3 play.  Just as single line spin poker is the same as single line regular poker.  The co-variance is the same.  The 3 lines do not overlap and any held card is held in all 3 hands.


In 5 play spin poker there are now 2 more lines that are part of the other 3 lines so yes the variance is now lower than regular 5 play.  After the initial deal and hold certain positions are more inportant because they affect more than one line.

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Re: [vpFREE] spin poker?

 

Math challenged here. Does it also follow then that playing 5 lines of 9/6 JOB spin poker will have a slightly lower volatility (variance?) than regular 5-play?

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Re: [vpFREE] spin poker?

 

Yes. Each card can only appear once. 

Which is why if you play Spin Poker using only 3 lines, you actually see a lower variance than playing regular 3-play. (Not by much, but it's lower).

On Apr 20, 2017, at 4:43 PM, billvolk11@yahoo.com [vpFREE] <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I have been recently forced to play spin poker  under certain promotions .


the best games are 8/5 bonus and 15/9 NSU.

  I only play close attention when holding 2 aces or 2 deuces in each game.but It seems that I can only fill one of each needed card  in any of the 3 open columns.   ace or duck

 Am I correct, or this  just seems so?

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[vpFREE] spin poker?

 

I have been recently forced to play spin poker  under certain promotions .


the best games are 8/5 bonus and 15/9 NSU.

  I only play close attention when holding 2 aces or 2 deuces in each game.but It seems that I can only fill one of each needed card  in any of the 3 open columns.   ace or duck

 Am I correct, or this  just seems so?

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Re: [vpFREE] Re: Bob Dancer Column - 18 MAY 2017

 

noti, it sounds like you agree with me that Bayes' Theorem can't calculate the number.  Theoretically, going 1 hand without a royal is some indication that the machine is gaffed in favor of giving too few royals.

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 1:10 PM, nightoftheiguana2000@yahoo.com [vpFREE] <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Tom wrote: "Maybe I don't understand it, then.  Let's say I assume the royal flush cycle is 40,000.  After 4 million hands on a particular machine, I've hit 20 royals.  Without including an initial estimate, what would Bayes' Theorem say is the chance that the cycle is more than 40,000?"

That's 100 cycles, the SD is sqrt(100) = 10, so down 80 would be -8SD. I don't need Bayes Theorem to know I've likely got a problem. -8SD is of course possible, but highly unlikely. Really, in the real world, if you go down 5 cycles without a hit, you should be thinking of what your options are, it might be time to be looking elsewhere or consider going to gaming. 5 cycles without a hit is of course possible, and will happen the more you play, but it's a signal, the yellow light is on. You should seriously consider whether or not to throw more dollars down that rat hole. You don't want to get caught in another American Coin Slot Scandal. Stuff like that could bust out some big bankrolls. You're naive if you think stuff like this doesn't happen in today's world. Remember what Bernie Sanders says, the system is rigged. Don't get caught in a bear trap. Remember also, there's a selective bias to gambling, you only hear from the lucky ones about how easy it is to make money, the losers quietly sink away, like old heroin junkies, never to be heard from again.









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[vpFREE] vpFREE Exchange - 20 APR 2017

 

vpFREE Exchange - 20 APR 2017

Listings now include:

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- Professional Sports Jerseys

- Senior-level Freelance Technical Writer

- Vacation Rentals

- Vegas Job Links

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[vpFREE] Jackpot Pictures - 20 APR 2017

 

Jackpot Pictures - 20 APR 2017

The vpFREE Yahoo Photo Directory is now open to all vpFREE
members and they can / should upload their Jackpot Pictures
themselves.

vpFREE Yahoo Photo Directory:

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When uploading pictures please put them in the current "Jackpot Hands"
album (or the correct year's album, if taken in an earlier year) rather
than starting a new album.

After you upload a picture to the Photo Directory you're welcome
to share it with other members by posting a link to the picture
on the vpFREE forum.

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[vpFREE] vpFREE Member Participation Expectations - 20 APR 2017

 

vpFREE Member Participation Expectations - 20 APR 2017

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1. Vote in all applicable vpFREE polls and elections.

2. Report inventory changes to vpFREE2 and/or the vpFREE
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