Whatever happened to Charles Lund? He used to have a website, but right now I can't remember the name of it. The last time I checked, maybe a couple years ago, the website was down. Is he still around?
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Yes you keep the kicker to trip 2s, 3,s or 4s. I also think that in 9-7 TDB You break up a FH with low trips + a pair of kickers (EG: From 333AA hold 333A) but keep the FH intact if no kicker (EG: Hold all from 333KK.)
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Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: A triple double bonus question
thank you
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Subject: [vpFREE] Re: A triple double bonus question
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> I know you hold AAA with a kicker, but do you hold for example 333, 444,222 with a kicker in this game? My brain is not acting in a friendly manor right now..Thanks!
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clementiyn wrote:
>I'm sure for many players this is an obvious, no-brainer, one of the first rules you learned, sort of thing. You keep the Aces, duh...
>
>But after having it come up more than a few times during practice with WinPoker on the iPad, I disagree (at least for many players).
>
>Let's say you are playing 10/7 DB at the $1 level and your bankroll is ok but not extravagant for the game, with an additional 0.20% back in comps/cashback. And a guy sitting next to you offered you a game that returns 101.15% with a little over a third the variance with no comps/cashback but you have to play it at the $10 level.
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>The choice to keep three aces is agreeing to play a game at $50 a hand that returns 101.15% with variance of 10.
I'd look at it as playing a hand that's risking $35.
Theoretically, correct strategy, based on the Kelly Criterion, changes
after each change in bankroll. Many players don't play games that are
over their bankroll, but then their approach to strategy assumes their
bankroll is infinite.
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Michael: congrats it gives me hope
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From: Mitchell Tsai <tsai@cs.ucla.edu>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 7:54 PM
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vprod618,
Over the past few weeks, I've played ~2000 hands of DDB 10/6 .25 and
lost -$496.75 (would be -$993 at 0.50).
Only 2 quads.
Just before this bad streak, I hit two Aces with kickers ($500). One
was my first hand upon sitting down!
I'm net +$700 on this bank of DDB 10/6 (one Royal & five Aces with
kickers), so the bank is playing ok.
Mitchell
On Sep 3, 2013, at 7:43 AM, <h_dunbar@hotmail.com>
<h_dunbar@hotmail.com> wrote:
> If you play 2000 hands of DDB at $2.50 per hand, about 1% of the
> time you will lose $1300 or more. If you played really slowly (just
> 1200 hands in 1.5 hours) you would lose $900 about 1% of the time.
>
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thank you
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> I know you hold AAA with a kicker, but do you hold for example 333, 444,222 with a kicker in this game? My brain is not acting in a friendly manor right now..Thanks!
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vprod618,
Over the past few weeks, I've played ~2000 hands of DDB 10/6 .25 and
lost -$496.75 (would be -$993 at 0.50).
Only 2 quads.
Just before this bad streak, I hit two Aces with kickers ($500). One
was my first hand upon sitting down!
I'm net +$700 on this bank of DDB 10/6 (one Royal & five Aces with
kickers), so the bank is playing ok.
Mitchell
On Sep 3, 2013, at 7:43 AM, <h_dunbar@hotmail.com>
<h_dunbar@hotmail.com> wrote:
> If you play 2000 hands of DDB at $2.50 per hand, about 1% of the
> time you will lose $1300 or more. If you played really slowly (just
> 1200 hands in 1.5 hours) you would lose $900 about 1% of the time.
>
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> I know you hold AAA with a kicker, but do you hold for example 333, 444,222 with a kicker in this game? My brain is not acting in a friendly manor right now..Thanks!
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Yes
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> Come on. Since when is 800 hands/hr considered playing "really slowly"?!
Since 1998, when decent VP machines started being installed. Remember the old Sigma machines that had to count all five coins going in?
I consider 1100 hands per hour a leisurely pace.
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I know you hold AAA with a kicker, but do you hold for example 333, 444,222 with a kicker in this game? My brain is not acting in a friendly manor right now..Thanks!
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When I started playing 10/7 DB I had similar thoughts (although they were primarily focused on the risk tradeoff in holding 3A vs the sure win FH ... a nominal EV benefit with a significant risk increment).
Over time, however, I found that going for the $50 "sure win" didn't make much of a dent against the variance of the balance of the game. Ultimately, I decided to just indulge in the thrill of the 3A draw, with greater satisfaction.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <vpfree@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I'm sure for many players this is an obvious, no-brainer, one of the first rules you learned, sort of thing. You keep the Aces, duh...
But after having it come up more than a few times during practice with WinPoker on the iPad, I disagree (at least for many players).
Let's say you are playing 10/7 DB at the $1 level and your bankroll is ok but not extravagant for the game, with an additional 0.20% back in comps/cashback. And a guy sitting next to you offered you a game that returns 101.15% with a little over a third the variance with no comps/cashback but you have to play it at the $10 level.
The choice to keep three aces is agreeing to play a game at $50 a hand that returns 101.15% with variance of 10.
The choice to keep the full house is to choose to play your original game at $5 per hand, returning 100.3% or so (adding comps/cashback and deducting for errors) with variance of 28.
I don't claim to be able to do bankroll calculations in my head, but I think there are many people who would consider themselves sufficiently bankrolled for $5 a hand 10/7 DB returning 100.3% that would not consider themselves bankrolled for $50 a hand at 101.15%. I don't doubt some of you would jump at the chance to play $50 a hand 101.15% with variance 10 and would be right to do so. But many of us, myself included might wipe out their bankroll waiting for the long run to show up.
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I'm sure for many players this is an obvious, no-brainer, one of the first rules you learned, sort of thing. You keep the Aces, duh...
But after having it come up more than a few times during practice with WinPoker on the iPad, I disagree (at least for many players).
Let's say you are playing 10/7 DB at the $1 level and your bankroll is ok but not extravagant for the game, with an additional 0.20% back in comps/cashback. And a guy sitting next to you offered you a game that returns 101.15% with a little over a third the variance with no comps/cashback but you have to play it at the $10 level.
The choice to keep three aces is agreeing to play a game at $50 a hand that returns 101.15% with variance of 10.
The choice to keep the full house is to choose to play your original game at $5 per hand, returning 100.3% or so (adding comps/cashback and deducting for errors) with variance of 28.
I don't claim to be able to do bankroll calculations in my head, but I think there are many people who would consider themselves sufficiently bankrolled for $5 a hand 10/7 DB returning 100.3% that would not consider themselves bankrolled for $50 a hand at 101.15%. I don't doubt some of you would jump at the chance to play $50 a hand 101.15% with variance 10 and would be right to do so. But many of us, myself included might wipe out their bankroll waiting for the long run to show up.
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Shame, That
http://www.royalflushervegas.com/2013/09/shame-that.html
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And, most importantly, comps/mailers are based on what you look like, the closer you look to a degenerate gambler/tweaker the better, and also they look at your age, sex, and ethnicity, especially ethnicity.
Grosjean displays the best "casino look" for a male caucasian: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRt377iIN4E
Munchkin on disguise: http://www.richardmunchkin.com/2013/05/disguise.html
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Not in my experience, and I have lines of credit in a fair number of casinos. Comps are based on 3 things, your history with the establishment, your play, and / or your losses, depending on casino policy.
Regards
A.P.
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To: " vpFREE@yahoogroups.com " < vpFREE@yahoogroups.com >
Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 10:56:18 AM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] RE: RE: Casino Credit Compliance
Do you get more/better comps if you establish credit in a casino (at least when you first get credit established)?
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From: kelso 1600 <mailto:kelso1600%40hotmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 8:01 PM
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] RE: RE: Casino Credit Compliance
What they are looking for is not only repayment but losses that are close to your credit limit.
What will happen for you is that they will start cutting your credit limit and say "come back and we will raise your credit limit temporarily when you have losses and need another marker".
The question is why don't you just get a credit line at the casino that you want to play at?
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> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 12:42:01 -0700
> Subject: [vpFREE] RE: RE: Casino Credit Compliance
>
> I did not make myself clear. I had gotten the impression that in addition to settling up they wanted to see that money churned a few times thru their games. You could take their 10K walk across the street play there and then come back to the first casino and settle. You would have paid the marker and given them no action.
> I am sure if I made a 10K bet, lost and then settled they would not complain.
>
> Assuming you always pay your marker, how many times would you have to play thru it for them not to feel like you are using them as a check cashing facility?
>
>
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> I don't know about "angering" a casino, but failure to repay an appropriate portion of a marker before leaving the property when you don't have recorded losses that equal or exceed the marker (which is what you seem to suggest) can raise eyebrows next time you go to draw a marker.
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> I encountered this a couple of years ago at Harrah's LV, where I loss approximately 40% of my marker and then proceeded to lose most of the rest at another CZR property.
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> To my surprise, when I returned to Harrah's LV after about 8 mo and attempted to draw another marker, I found that my account was flagged and I had to speak to a manager to get the hold released, promising I'd repay any unused marker portion in the future.
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